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[Steam] Thread Tags: Classy, Game-Gluttonous, Less Monstrous Than Steam Community At Large

IoloIolo ioloRegistered User regular
edited February 2014 in Games and Technology
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Welcome to the Steam thread!

This is a pretty neat community of people who like to talk about video games, sales, digital distribution, hat economies, classiness and classholery. We enjoy long walks on the beach, digital hoarding, gifting, the suffering of longtime members, and raising money for charity.

We raised $11,903 dollars for charity in December!. Wowzers!
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For our Christmas fundraiser to restore TychoCelchuuu's threadmaking privileges (and help the kids), I donated to Toronto's Hospital for Sick Children. This week I received a nice letter from them! I figured I'd share part of it with y'all, since this applies to all of you at least as much as it does to me.

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This is a big, busy thread. There are some guidelines to keep things nice and orderly:
  • Be civil.
  • This thread is for Steam-related discussion. Try to look for other, more appropriate threads before discussing games or other topics in here. Let's not drain other threads of precious content!
  • If you feel someone's acting inappropriately, then quietly report the responsible parties to forum mods.
  • Don't post links to active kickstarters without prior mod permission. Forum-wide rule.
  • Linking your Steam profile in your sig will help community members find you, see what kinds of games you like, invite you to MP games, etc.
  • Do not beg for games.

We have two core Steam groups: Both of these groups have chat, and both are used sometimes to try to limit giveaways to community members. If you've just arrived, hang out here in the thread for a while and talk games with us before you ask for membership. When you do ask, include a link to your Steam profile. Steam name search is poop from a butt.

Penny Arcade is a general Steam group for folks from the PA forums.

PA G&T Adventure Team is a group that was originally created to get multi/coop going without having to make a million game-specific groups, especially for smaller or older titles. Because it is actively moderated a lot of folks use it as a giveaway group (to avoid problems we've had in the past with non-forumers scooping up gifts intended for the community.) Membership is locked during major sales.
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Occasionally we also go on quests to slay a dragon and win the heart of a princess
The Newell needs those hearts (apparently they are used as power supply for the Steam servers).

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Sometimes people gift games.
  • Don't feel that you have to gift games to be a part of this community. It's just one of many things that go on. Some people can give lots of games. Some people can give a game or two a year. Some people make amazing images. Some people find hidden indie gems and report about them. Some people relay amazing gaming moments. Some people report sales. Some people are hysterical. Etc. There are many ways to participate in this community. Gifting is just one of them and is not required.
  • If you run a contest, have entries PMed to you. The thread gets too cluttered otherwise. You can, however, post the winning entries.
  • If you receive a gift, then take a moment to thank the gifter. Use the notification system so they can see your thank you post! ( @NAME. Use quotes around names with spaces.) See below for an example.
  • If you win a Steamgifts giveaway, in addition to thanking the gifter, be sure to mark the gift as received on Steamgifts. You tie up a gift 'slot' for the gifter until you do.
  • In addition to contests, wishlist gifting, ninja gifting, revenge gifting, pile-on gifting and Steamgifts.com giveaways, we have the new [ codes ][ /codes ] tags which can fire off one or more Steam codes (or activation links). More info about [ codes ] below.

A Steam thread participant preparing for gifting...
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If you want to @ someone with spaces in their name, use quotation marks around the name so it looks like this:

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Which will then turn into this:

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Rare footage of a gift fight in action...
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Steam sales are legendary. From small to honking massive:

Daily Deals: One game a day goes on sale at 10am PT for 24 hours.

Midweek Madness: Starts 10am PT Tuesday and ends Thursday afternoon.

Weekend Sale: Starts midday Thursday and ends with the sale rollover Monday. Sometimes accompanies free play weekends for MP titles.

Publisher Sale: Many of the publishers games will get a modest discount with a single title or franchise getting a featured day with a deeper discount. Follow the big sale guidelines.

Seasonal Sales: Mardi Gras time here in the thread. Huge swaths of games go on discount, with daily specials, flash sales, community vote sales, and whatever else the evil geniuses at Valve cook up to separate us from our money. There are often metagames such as sale achievements or collectibles or other madness that rewards buying, playing and gifting games and participating in Steam's community. The summer sale usually starts in the last week of June and runs for two weeks, and the Winter sale usually runs for two weeks across Christmas and New Year's.

Other retailers like Amazon and Green Man Gaming get into the act now too, so there are often great values to be had during sales for Steam-activatable games from other sites.

Seasonal Sales are basically a big deal around this thread.

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Important Note: If you are waiting for a particular game, be sure to mind the countdown timer on the game's store page. Starting Winter 2013, the last day of the sale was just a recap of top sellers. Most games went back to full price.

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How do I join the Steam groups?
Membership to the two Steam groups is for reasonably active community members. If you have been on the PA forums for a while and have participated, post a link to your Steam profile here in the thread and a Steam group mod will take care of you.

If you've been on the forums for three days during a major sale and your only posts have been to casually express your strong desire for certain games, your request is unlikely to find a positive reception. Ditto if your very first post on the forum is to ask for group membership. Sadly this does happen sometimes.

The best parts of this community are available to you now just by showing up. Read some posts, make some posts, ask to be invited as a guest to chat, buy some games, play some games, etc. Group membership is modest icing on delicious cake.

Where are you guys getting those nifty Steam Signatures?
Check out Alabaster Slim for his lovely signature generator. Also, don't click the Calculator link in the top bar unless you want to discover how much money you've put into your Steam account. Because there'd be absolutely no reason you'd want to know that.

How do the new [codes ][ /codes] tags even work?

Put a series of Steam activation codes (or activation links, or movie quotes, or winning lottery numbers...) inside the tags, each on its own line like this (without the spaces inside the brackets, of course):
[codes ]code 1
code 2
code 3
...
code n[/codes]

That will create a little box with a clickable link and a number. Each forumer who clicks the link will get a popup and a PM with the next line. Each line can only be sent out once and each forumer can only click once. It was originally designed to allow developers to hand out lots of codes for a game without some goose grabbing the lot.

Just one code thingy per post!

Note: [ code ][ /code ] is a different tag. Be sure to get that "s" up in there!

Trading cards? Badges? Steam profile levels? Boosters? FOILS?! What the hell?
Some games (more every week) now have trading cards. You can earn some of these cards by playing/idling the game. Some of them you'll need to get by trading or buying them from the Steam community market. Completing a set lets you craft a badge, which gives you an emoticon, a profile wallpaper, a coupon (usually) and profile experience. Leveling up your profile increase your friend cap, earns you customization options for your Steam profile and, allegedly, increases your chances of getting a booster. Boosters are packs of three cards that show up in your inventory sometimes. You can open them or sell them on the market. Sometimes cards are foil. Each game has a regular badge with five levels and a single-level foil badge.

But that's pure, diabolical evil!
Yes, that's right.

Can we trade cards in the thread?
You can but it's inefficient. Use the Steam feature that shows you which of your friends has the cards you are looking for. Oh, and join the Steam group we created for trading cards: PA Card Sharks

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Is Steam down?!
Is it Tuesday? It's probably scheduled maintenance.

What are you people talking about? Why hats and what is an "Isy?"
Check out the handy Steam Thread Primer, written by @Smokestacks!
Steam Thread Primer:

Gaben/The Newell - Gabe Newell, Director of Valve Software. Called "Gaben" because in the commentary for older Source Engine games he would tell players to email him at "Gabe N. at valvesoftware.com" with user feedback. Used to be the subject of a lot of weight-related jokes, but those have sort of fallen out of fashion.

Serve the Newell - To buy games on Steam, to give Gaben your money. From this comic edit.

Bad Rats - An incredibly awful 'physics' based puzzle game, available on Steam, notorious for being as awkward as it is broken. Will haunt your dreams. Popular gift to give to people.

Gifting - Buying a game on Steam and giving it to another person.

Class - An attribute demonstrated by people who will generously purchase games and then give them to internet strangers.

Class War - When two or more forumers buy each other games back and forth until one of them gives up. I know this sounds really crazy, but it happens.

Bundle - Originally the Humble Indie Bundle, which was a "pay what you want" system for a group of games, now usually means any website selling a group of games (usually able to be registered on Steam) for a low price.

The Group/The Steam Group - The Penny Arcade Steam Group. Although this usually refers to the main PA Steam groups, there are many PA groups on Steam for various games (for example, PA Crime Time for Payday: The Heist).

Giveaway/A Giveaway - Usually refers to a giveaway on Steamgifts.com, a website where you list a game you want to give away, people enter, and then a winner is randomly decided among all entrants after a set time period.

Tuftoo - A corruption of "TF2" (Team Fortress 2)

Hats/The Hatconomy - The purchase and sale of in-game hats or sometimes other items in TF2. Some hats are very valuable, which is funny because they are just hats for videogame characters. People who have valuable hats or other items in their inventories sometimes get messages from random people on Steam begging for those items.

Boner Toots - Bientôt l'été, a game on Steam. Super artsy-fartsy pretentious "art" game. Also sometimes gifted as a joke.

Backlog - The list of games you have purchased, but have not gotten around to playing yet. Tends to grow over time, often to immense proportions. If you do not have a backlog yet, between the thread and the sales you will get one.

Spies/Russian Spies - People who lurk the thread or try to get into the various PA Steam groups not to participate in the community, but instead in order to try and get free games from the classy people here.

Steamsigs - Custom forum signatures that display a link to your Steam profile, as well as an image of a game you are currently playing, have played the most in the last two weeks, or have played the most over all time (if you haven't played any games on Steam in the last two weeks). Available here courtesy of forumer Suds. Having a Steam sig (or some sort of clickable link to your Steam profile in your signature) makes it considerably easier for people to add you to their friends list.

Child's Play - A charity started by the writer and artist behind PA that raises money for videogames/toys that go to children's hospitals, originally started in '03, has grown every year. Helps sick kids feel better about their time in the hospital while simultaneously refuting the idea that gamers are antisocial jerks.

Isy - Big Classy, a forumer. Formerly known as "Big Isy", he was granted the new name after donating a hefty amount of money to Child's Play during a fundraiser. Sometimes referred to as Isy, which might cause confusion to people who haven't been around very long.

The Sale/Summer Sale/Winter Sale/etc - Seasonal Steam sales. Home to absolutely ridiculously good deals. We are edging closer to the Summer Sale right now. I recommend saving up a few bucks because there will be deals galore. Seasonal sales have their own general guidelines to follow to maximize your purchasing power, they are posted in the thread often before and during the sales.

Summer Dale - A phone's auto-correction of "Summer Sale", which through some sort of internet voodoo produced an actual entity, a smooth voiced funk loving man who lives in a world where the 80s reign eternal and supreme. Also sometimes used to describe the upcoming Summer Sale itself.

Rainbow and/or Slash - Two forumers by the name of Rainbowdespair and slash000 who are notable for developing the third and fourth installments of the Penny Arcade: On the Railslick Precipice of Darkness series. Also developed Breath of Death VII and Cthulu Saves the World, two RPGs that, alone with the Rainslick games, are available on Steam.

Why are you people obsessed with Bad Rats and Amnesia?
A moment of ill-advised swagger from anoffday turned into a horrifying LP of Bad Rats which, because reasons, turned into over $6000 raised for Child's Play.

CorriganX raised over $1100 for Child's Play via Amnesia.

What is this Steamgifts site? I wish to create a giveaway! I cannot enter a giveaway!
Steamgifts is a neat site that lets people create giveaways for games on Steam. Points for entering giveaways are accumulated over time, so just wait a bit if you need points. Entry to giveaways can be limited by Steam group membership to prevent mooches from getting games.

How do I make one of those cool Steam Gifts signature giveaway banners?
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I have too many games! Which do I play?
Steam Roulette randomly picks a game for you to play.

I have too many games! How do I move them to my new hard drive?
Steam Mover makes transporting your massive library much easier.

But wait! I have ALL OF THE GAMES installed! I need more space on my hard drive! wat i do?
You download Tikione Steam Cleaner and clean up that shit

The sale prices aren't right! What's going on?! Oh God, the darkness is closing in...
During the seasonal sales, you are one of a million monkeys hammering F5 at 10am PT to see the new sales. The system is always borked for 5-20 minutes. Take a deep breath. The Newell will deliver, and the new dailies will be available for 48 hours.

Why are some games not available in my region?
Publishers determine what countries get what games. Someone in a suit decided that it wasn't worth the money to make the game available to your region, so it isn't available on Steam. This also applies to cases of games having edited/censored versions showing up on Steam in certain countries. The good news is that you can generally get around this by having someone from another region gift or trade you the game.

Steam is downloading slowly. What gives?
You can head to Steam -> Settings -> Downloads + Cloud and change your download region until things improve. Since other regions are typically less populated, you will probably get somewhat better results even if the new server is in another country.

The Steam thread has a proud tradition of marrying our love of Steam and Penny Arcade in comic edits:

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Go forth, and SERVE THE NEWELL.

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  • SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    You mislinked this thread in the other thread but I found it anyway!

  • Pixelated PixiePixelated Pixie They/Them Registered User regular
    Ah, new thread. Like a new friend. But with less body odor. And classier. And doesn't call you drunk at 2AM for a ride home. And full of useful information.

    So, yeah. Not really like that at all.

    <3<3<3

    ~~ Pixie on Steam ~~
    ironzerg wrote: »
    Chipmunks are like nature's nipple clamps, I guess?
  • The BraysterThe Brayster UKRegistered User regular
    If that's a 'new' friend you must get familiar quick. where do you find these people?

    I'm just gonna front-page my advice from last thread. Get The Banner Saga. You need it. You know you do.

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  • FreiFrei A French Prometheus Unbound DeadwoodRegistered User regular
    If that's a 'new' friend you must get familiar quick. where do you find these people?

    I'm just gonna front-page my advice from last thread. Get The Banner Saga. You need it. You know you do.

    Quoting for emphasis. I bought this game for me and then another copy for my friend. If I had more money this month (I don't since my Canadian wife lives in America now she has to pay our ridiculous medical fees) I would do a giveaway for it here. It's a fantastic strategy RPG and just makes me feel so nostalgic and good. It's worth it for the animation alone, almost.

    Are you the magic man?
  • DockenDocken Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    Third'd for The Banner Saga.

    Quality old school RPG with choose your own adventure style dialogue and amazing artwork.

    Story reminds me of Myth: The Fallen Lords... If that doesn't sell you I don't know what will!

    Docken on
  • rikdalyrikdaly Registered User regular
    reposting for the new thread

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    I have no idea what this game is, it might even be good?

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  • NackmatholnNackmatholn Registered User regular
    So I checked my Raptr summary for 2013, and the day and month that I played the most games is the day after I got fired from my old job. Man that was a great day. I really thought the number one was going to be the day after someone broke into my house, and I beat Tomb Raider in one sitting.... weird... Enough downers, RELINKING FOR FINAL 2 DAYS:


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  • Sangheili91Sangheili91 Registered User regular
    Ahh, here's the new thread! Good old new steam thread :)

  • AsheAshe Registered User regular
    NEO Scavenger is indeed brilliant. No other game lets me carry around a small plastic shopping bag containing more scrunched up shopping bags, a mushroom and two dead squirrels. Unfortunately none of the above will help my hypothermia. Uh oh.

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  • Pixelated PixiePixelated Pixie They/Them Registered User regular
    Neo Scavenger and Banner Saga do not exist.

    I have it on good authority.

    I refuse to believe otherwise.

    ~~ Pixie on Steam ~~
    ironzerg wrote: »
    Chipmunks are like nature's nipple clamps, I guess?
  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    I think these Playfire/GMG rewards points BETA things are bogus. I haven't gotten anything.

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  • Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    They just don't like you.

  • bloodatonementbloodatonement Registered User regular
    @Rorus Raz 12 Games of Steamas Did this song happen?

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    No, because I never had the full lyrics! I'll try to record it sometime this weekend!

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    Docken wrote: »
    Third'd for The Banner Saga.

    Quality old school RPG with choose your own adventure style dialogue and amazing artwork.

    Story reminds me of Myth: The Fallen Lords... If that doesn't sell you I don't know what will!

    Oh, godamnit.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNwvwtZKG40

    Totally unfair making me nostalgia that hard.

  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    If that's a 'new' friend you must get familiar quick. where do you find these people?

    I'm just gonna front-page my advice from last thread. Get The Banner Saga. You need it. You know you do.

    I just finished it!

    It was very, very fun. I really enjoyed it all the way through... the way my resources were drained as I got closer to the last town made everything feel desperate

    end spoilers:
    haha fuck you the game doesn't end, it just stops.

    NEED MORE CHAPTERS

  • TreadLifeTreadLife CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2014
    Hyperthreading: enabled

    Forgot to mention my first finished game of 2014, Deadpool. Totally worth it and really fun. Got all 50 achievements done on it, a couple playthroughs, gold and infinity rankings on all the challenges.

    I don't finish nearly enough of my games.

    TreadLife on
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    New thread = new comic edit.

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  • zagdrobzagdrob Registered User regular
    @brocksmullet

    Big thanks for Don't Starve. Came home the other day, and there sitting on my desktop was an 'Accept Gift' window. And of course, how could I not?

    Looking forward to getting this installed so I can get eaten by random things.

  • Lindsay LohanLindsay Lohan Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    New thread = new comic edit.

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    Interesting approach - I wonder if that would really lead to gifting... Have I mentioned the problems I've had in my apartment with Rats? They've been pretty Bad. I wish there were some game that would offer me an escape from the problem. Any recommendations?

    Speaking of apartments, one of the problems I have is that my apartment simply isn't large enough for me to raise ponies or horses in the back yard. I wish I could have one in Secret, but my Crystal ball tells me it would take an act of Magic to keep it from the landlord.

    Sad, but at least I had the Revelations back in 2012 before spending the money on an actual horse. I think buying one in my current space would have been a huge Boner. It's bad enough that I have a gassy cat whose Toots will clear the room, horse manure would have made the place unlivable.

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  • Pixelated PixiePixelated Pixie They/Them Registered User regular
    The forum won't let me, but pretend I awesome'd that post twice, @Lindsey Lohan...

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    Chipmunks are like nature's nipple clamps, I guess?
  • CorsiniCorsini Registered User regular
    Frei wrote: »
    If I had more money this month (I don't since my Canadian wife lives in America now she has to pay our ridiculous medical fees) I would do a giveaway for it here

    You're missing the obvious solution. Emigrate and buy more Steam games.

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  • BeryllineBerylline One Tiara to rule them all Registered User regular
    Reposting for the new thread:
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  • Idx86Idx86 Long days and pleasant nights.Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    I finally "get" Terraria. Mainly have been playing on my iPad, but oh man is it fun. If Starbound is the same formula, I will be in trouble.

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  • Pixelated PixiePixelated Pixie They/Them Registered User regular
    Idx86 wrote: »
    I finally "get" Teraria. Mainly have been playing on my iPad, but oh man is it fun. If Starbound is the same formula, oh man...

    Psssst... Hey.... Hey, you... @Idx86... Check out Darkout. All that plus superpretty graphics.

    B)

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    ironzerg wrote: »
    Chipmunks are like nature's nipple clamps, I guess?
  • 21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    I played Hotline Miami for 38 minutes and it gave me a headache.

    Thanks, Devolver!

  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    It looks like Record of Agarest War Zero is getting a Steam release!

    http://www.siliconera.com/2014/01/23/agarest-generations-war-zero-coming-pc-via-steam/
    U.K. publisher Ghostlight are bringing another JRPG to Steam. Following the release of Agarest: Generations of War on Steam, Ghostlight are bringing over the game’s prequel, Record of Agarest War: Zero.

    The game will be ported to PC by Laughing Jackal, who ported the previous game over as well, and Ghostlight plan to release it sometime during the first quarter of 2014. It will be titled Agarest: Generations of War Zero.

    The PC version will feature support for both mouse and keyboard controls as well as gamepad controls. It will also add Steam achievements and take advantage of higher-resolution PCs. You can find screenshots below and an old trailer for the PS3 version of the game above.

  • akajaybayakajaybay Registered User regular
    Hmm, somewhat at a loss as to the format to put all the stat info in.
    Keep trying to come up with something more interesting than just a spreadsheet.

    Will keep at it for a bit more.

    Been a productive month so far, nearly done with Dark Fall 3. Pretty clunky but mostly due to age I imagine.
    Definitely looked up a number of answers on that one. Also getting fairly far along in Metal Gear Rising. I kind of suck at that game, but doing alot better now. I seem to vary wildly on how well the fights go.

  • KalnaurKalnaur I See Rain . . . Centralia, WARegistered User regular
    Boobies!

    Are fantastic, but I'm not sure what they have to do with Steam.

    I make art things! deviantART: Kalnaur ::: Origin: Kalnaur ::: UPlay: Kalnaur
  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    I'm guessing he's responding to the newspost by Donnicton?

  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    Kalnaur wrote: »
    Boobies!

    Are fantastic, but I'm not sure what they have to do with Steam.

    It was a response to the Agarest post two above his. If you aren't familiar with the series just know that the collectors edition of the previous game included a mousepad with boobs functioning a a wrist rest.

  • KalnaurKalnaur I See Rain . . . Centralia, WARegistered User regular
    LostNinja wrote: »
    Kalnaur wrote: »
    Boobies!

    Are fantastic, but I'm not sure what they have to do with Steam.

    It was a response to the Agarest post two above his. If you aren't familiar with the series just know that the collectors edition of the previous game included a mousepad with boobs functioning a a wrist rest.

    Not familiar with the series, no, but I am totally familiar with those specific kinds of mousepads.

    So, boobies it is! :D

    I make art things! deviantART: Kalnaur ::: Origin: Kalnaur ::: UPlay: Kalnaur
  • bloodatonementbloodatonement Registered User regular
    So is free weekends an every week thing now? I think we have had something every weekend this year so far.

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  • KalnaurKalnaur I See Rain . . . Centralia, WARegistered User regular
    A question about Agarest: the current one on Steam looks fun enough, but the Metacritic ratings are kinda in the toilet. Is it really a bad game, or are people just being really harsh?

    I make art things! deviantART: Kalnaur ::: Origin: Kalnaur ::: UPlay: Kalnaur
  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    edited January 2014
    Didn't Agarest ship with a body pillow as well? Not to mention dialog that was...........Freudian?
    edit:
    Kotaku has a useful and informative article about banner saga that is free of the hype and yelling we (mainly I) fostered in the last thread.

    Tad depressing though.

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  • IoloIolo iolo Registered User regular
    Paper Sorcerer is live! I'm looking forward to getting my kickstarter key at some point. It looks even sharper than was originally promised. Behold:

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  • HeirTransparentHeirTransparent ... Registered User regular
    Iolo wrote: »
    Paper Sorcerer is live! I'm looking forward to getting my kickstarter key at some point. It looks even sharper than was originally promised.

    Any word on Steam keys for those of us that purchased it directly through their site?

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  • heenatoheenato Alice Leywind Registered User regular
    I didn't play much of it, but it seemed competent at what it did. I should get back to it, actually.

    M A G I K A Z A M
  • HeirTransparentHeirTransparent ... Registered User regular
    In other news, Kami looks pretty cool, but this screenshot on the store page doesn't fill me with confidence about their port from iOS:
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    Touch...?

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