Brilliant! Except Rhan saying I'm Good does nothing to clear you and Rhan, and losing this one is game over.
While we don't have anything specific to clear rhan other than kaneski's word, I think based on his voting patterns and general behaviour that he is good
That's complicated. Normally I would think he would be evil at this point, however normally I would also think that an evil who started with the Lady wouldn't be so obvious, to maximize its advantage; unless he's passing it along the evil team, but I don't really suspect you either, so I consider that path unlikely. A bit of a wine-in-front-of-me situation, true
Additionally, I also find hedge kind of sketchy, but given the intensity of the attacks and the fact that kaneski initiated them, I'm pretty sure they're not both evil.
Hid voting patterns definitely scream evil though - rejecting everything except the one truly doomed mission? So I would have to go with that if I had to choose one definitively I guess. That doesn't invalidate the logic behind his plan though
I'll restate for the record - the team proposed by Mikey was the truly doomed mission, and if Hedge's one didn't come through the way it did - I had every reason to think the same team would be sent by Jdark, and no reason to think otherwise, given Jdark's expressed opinion. Not only that, Mikey's suggested team, if it went ahead, would net no new information for me.
Also, voting patterns - you approved 3+1, which was truly doomed. So there. You did it 'for information'. Ditto, only I had the lady, used it, and knew I could do the current proposed plan.
I'm just dying to get to the end of this game just to see which of you two is full of shit.
The logic being that if he was good, we would have to both be full of shit since we're both calling him evil.
If he were evil, he would also already know which of us is evil. So either way, the post is designed to obfuscate.
I mean, I didn't even want the first mission to go through since it didn't include the leader, but it did and we were stuck with it. If we had gone with a completely different team for mission 2 then we wouldn't have gotten any real info
I'm just dying to get to the end of this game just to see which of you two is full of shit.
The logic being that if he was good, we would have to both be full of shit since we're both calling him evil.
If he were evil, he would also already know which of us is evil. So either way, the post is designed to obfuscate.
Heh, I totally parsed that as calling the accusations between us, not us of him.
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The latter is what I intended. I really want to know whether Sok is right about Kaneski or Kaneski about Sok.
It was at least mathematically possible for the 3+1 team to not contain a spy
If it were randomly picked, sure. Votes from mission 1 made that very unlikely.
Heh, just thinking about it, if I wasn't the 2nd person to compose teams and I never got my 2.1 composition, I probably wouldn't even lady Rhan. I'd Lady Sokpuppet, probably, to see if Mission 1 was a fluke of appointments. EDIT: And if Sok turned out good - Davoid would be evil; if Sok turned out evil - probably Rhan would be evil. Broberon notwithstanding.
I'm gonna go ahead and suggest a team nomination take place by, say, tonight? I don't want to rush the bickering but sometimes these things grind to a stalemate.
Aye, you may. Thing is... if you're evil, LotLing you doesn't really clear another person. Don't get me wrong - if you are good, then huzzah! 5 man team is go. But if evil... it doesn't clear Davoid. On the other hand, LotLing one of Kirindal and Megamek (and probably Mikey) clears either the person, or the other. Like... LotLing Kirindal - if evil, odds are high that Megamek is clear, and vice versa.
So one of {Kaneski, Davoid, Rhan9, Sokpuppet} and one of {Kirindal, Megamek, Mikey CTS, Phyphor} are bad.
I'm positively biased towards Phyphor due to other games, so if he's feeding me bad advice? Well played.
The team I'm leaning towards is myself, Rhan9, Phyphor, <Kaneski || Hedge>, and <Megamek || Mikey CTS>. Advice and the reasons for (or against) a player is appreciated, especially if it considers voting pattern.
I'm strongly leaning towards Hedge over Kaneski, but am willing to be swayed.
Hedge seems evil from everything so far in the thread, so that would make it only necessary for one more person to be evil in the team for it to fail. We know little about Megamek, so the question would be about Phyphor more than anything.
Seeing how bloody devious Phyphor is in other games, his apparent GOODness in this makes me want to think that he's evil. Because he's devious.
I've got no proof, however. Just a gut instinct that this team is risky.
Last time Phyphor tried to devious something, he walked himself right out the Battlestar Airlock. I take your point though. Sadly - other than than yes votes on 2.2 and 3.1 - not much to hang on him.
And yeah - with Hedge around, this is potentially game-ending.
The problem is that leadership passes to Kirindal and then Megamek anyway.
Seems unlikely that we'd pass a Kirindal proposed team. And it also seems unlikely that we'd reject three or four votes in a row, based on what we've seen. So even if Megamek's not on the team he may be deciding it.
No one who held their tongue while I was soliciting info gets to complain. I was working against a hard deadline, and the only person to talk refused discussion.
I'm not sure, jdark. There is definitely a spy on that team. Probably only one, though. The problem is, a lot of those people are likely to end up on the final mission, which does not have a safety buffer like this mission does.
The problem is if we don't lose this round, we end up at 5.1 without much more to go on.
We can afford to miss one blue member on 5.1 in a 10 player game, which is a nicety, but it's not much wiggle room. It's better than the games where you have to choose all blue team members for the final mission though, ha ha ha.
The problem is if we don't lose this round, we end up at 5.1 without much more to go on.
We can afford to miss one blue member on 5.1 in a 10 player game, which is a nicety, but it's not much wiggle room. It's better than the games where you have to choose all blue team members for the final mission though, ha ha ha.
Well, this round is actually interesting in that a single baddie may just put in a fail anyway in the hope that broberon is in the team too and failing, so we might get some info
No one who held their tongue while I was soliciting info gets to complain. I was working against a hard deadline, and the only person to talk refused discussion.
Quit muddying the waters.
Here's how THAT discussion would go:
Me: "Hedge is bad because of his votes early, his contradictory reasons, failed attempt to defend them and the 'hope the good guys know they'll need me' post which I took as conceding. Plus, you know, 3.2"
Jdark: "a bad guy would totally say that"
Me: Restate my whole subjective reasons gor acting and voting like I did
Jdark: "OMG a bad guy would TOTALLY say that"
Me: point out the Mastermind Powers needed to predict other behaviour if I were planning something instead of playing straight.
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While we don't have anything specific to clear rhan other than kaneski's word, I think based on his voting patterns and general behaviour that he is good
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Additionally, I also find hedge kind of sketchy, but given the intensity of the attacks and the fact that kaneski initiated them, I'm pretty sure they're not both evil.
Hid voting patterns definitely scream evil though - rejecting everything except the one truly doomed mission? So I would have to go with that if I had to choose one definitively I guess. That doesn't invalidate the logic behind his plan though
Also, voting patterns - you approved 3+1, which was truly doomed. So there. You did it 'for information'. Ditto, only I had the lady, used it, and knew I could do the current proposed plan.
With this post;
The logic being that if he was good, we would have to both be full of shit since we're both calling him evil.
If he were evil, he would also already know which of us is evil. So either way, the post is designed to obfuscate.
Heh, I totally parsed that as calling the accusations between us, not us of him.
If it were randomly picked, sure. Votes from mission 1 made that very unlikely.
Heh, just thinking about it, if I wasn't the 2nd person to compose teams and I never got my 2.1 composition, I probably wouldn't even lady Rhan. I'd Lady Sokpuppet, probably, to see if Mission 1 was a fluke of appointments. EDIT: And if Sok turned out good - Davoid would be evil; if Sok turned out evil - probably Rhan would be evil. Broberon notwithstanding.
Aye, you may. Thing is... if you're evil, LotLing you doesn't really clear another person. Don't get me wrong - if you are good, then huzzah! 5 man team is go. But if evil... it doesn't clear Davoid. On the other hand, LotLing one of Kirindal and Megamek (and probably Mikey) clears either the person, or the other. Like... LotLing Kirindal - if evil, odds are high that Megamek is clear, and vice versa.
Ummm.
Doesn't this phrase practically prove that I'm not evil?
I'm positively biased towards Phyphor due to other games, so if he's feeding me bad advice? Well played.
The team I'm leaning towards is myself, Rhan9, Phyphor, <Kaneski || Hedge>, and <Megamek || Mikey CTS>. Advice and the reasons for (or against) a player is appreciated, especially if it considers voting pattern.
I'm strongly leaning towards Hedge over Kaneski, but am willing to be swayed.
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Because if it is just one out of each group - Hedge and... er.. you... are the other 2 bads.
Other than that - I got nothing to add for my thoughts or reasons. Said everything I can squeeze out by logic and my subjective knowledge.
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Fetch me a shrubbery.
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Wait, wait, wait...
this is plausible. Fuck. Help me reconstruct this. If it's Jdark Hedge, where does that leave us?
Seeing how bloody devious Phyphor is in other games, his apparent GOODness in this makes me want to think that he's evil. Because he's devious.
I've got no proof, however. Just a gut instinct that this team is risky.
And yeah - with Hedge around, this is potentially game-ending.
Seems unlikely that we'd pass a Kirindal proposed team. And it also seems unlikely that we'd reject three or four votes in a row, based on what we've seen. So even if Megamek's not on the team he may be deciding it.
We'll see.
Quit muddying the waters.
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IT WAS BASICALLY A MARSHMALLOW.
The problem is if we don't lose this round, we end up at 5.1 without much more to go on.
We can afford to miss one blue member on 5.1 in a 10 player game, which is a nicety, but it's not much wiggle room. It's better than the games where you have to choose all blue team members for the final mission though, ha ha ha.
Well, this round is actually interesting in that a single baddie may just put in a fail anyway in the hope that broberon is in the team too and failing, so we might get some info
Here's how THAT discussion would go:
Me: "Hedge is bad because of his votes early, his contradictory reasons, failed attempt to defend them and the 'hope the good guys know they'll need me' post which I took as conceding. Plus, you know, 3.2"
Jdark: "a bad guy would totally say that"
Me: Restate my whole subjective reasons gor acting and voting like I did
Jdark: "OMG a bad guy would TOTALLY say that"
Me: point out the Mastermind Powers needed to predict other behaviour if I were planning something instead of playing straight.
Jdark: "That does it, totally evil here."