“Whether it’s the pioneer in the Conestoga wagon or someone coming here in the 1920s from southern Italy, there was this idea in America that if you worked hard and you showed real grit, that you could be successful,” he said. “Strangely, we’ve now forgotten that. People who have an easy time of things, who get 800s on their SAT’s, I worry that those people get feedback that everything they’re doing is great. And I think as a result, we are actually setting them up for long-term failure. When that person suddenly has to face up to a difficult moment, then I think they’re screwed, to be honest. I don’t think they’ve grown the capacities to be able to handle that.”
yeah this was a real problem for me in elementary school. got pulled out and put in all these "gifted" classes by virtue of the fact that i was "smart" and then i didn't have to do the scut work that the regular kids did.
after all, that kind of scut work was "boring" to a smart kid like me.
so you can see in that a single lesson that says that your intrinsic intelligence is more important than your willingness to work. and from there forward there was this kind of psychological incentive to blow off the scut work - call it boring - in order to emphasize the really important thing: that i'm an intrinsically smart kid and above that shit.
it's a really shitty lesson and i have struggled my entire life to get past it. in the end, you are worth what you contribute to the world through work and deeds and not what your potential and intelligence and inner life and perfectly cultivated tastes and opinions and values are.
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I really can't complain, as I made so much money. But if they had implemented segregated markets for ladder leagues with a RMAH and seasonal gear to keep the economy going instead of a single race to the bottom, I could have quit my job. Maybe I will do a write up one day on the databases and systems I built to manage all of it.
constant adulation from adults when i was a kid totally undermined any chance i had of developing a strong work ethic in terms of academia. it sucks dick. still working many years later to fix it.
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Woahwoah,
Toxoplasms are a real goddamn thing not something chat just made up about cat-people?
“Whether it’s the pioneer in the Conestoga wagon or someone coming here in the 1920s from southern Italy, there was this idea in America that if you worked hard and you showed real grit, that you could be successful,” he said. “Strangely, we’ve now forgotten that. People who have an easy time of things, who get 800s on their SAT’s, I worry that those people get feedback that everything they’re doing is great. And I think as a result, we are actually setting them up for long-term failure. When that person suddenly has to face up to a difficult moment, then I think they’re screwed, to be honest. I don’t think they’ve grown the capacities to be able to handle that.”
on the same day, new blazblue and new diablo expansion, and I still haven't finished the new shadowrun
I've been playing a fair amount of Diablo 3 since Blizzard came back, hat in hand, and said "We're sorry, here's the game you wanted."
and it turns out, it actually is the game I wanted
so now I'm buying their expansion
looking forward to new dungeons and bad dudes to beat up and new treasure and
honestly
looking forward to whatever terrifying abortion of a plot they put together, because I'm not sure if they can top the remarkable idiocy of the Diablo 3 storyline but you always count on Blizzard to come back to a game and improve on their prior efforts
i liked D3 well enough on the PC. probably would have picked up the expansion
but then i bought it for 360 and loved it. like, everything that was kind of tedious about the clickyclick PC version and auctionhouse negating the point of progress was just not present. playing with bros was satisfying and easy. it was just fun.
constant adulation from adults when i was a kid totally undermined any chance i had of developing a strong work ethic in terms of academia. it sucks dick. still working many years later to fix it.
right? fuck that
OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO SMART BLAH BLAH shut up, now it's a pain in the ass whenever I have work that I'm not automatically good at and I get frustrated or think something's wrong with me if I don't understand it immediately
constant adulation from adults when i was a kid totally undermined any chance i had of developing a strong work ethic in terms of academia. it sucks dick. still working many years later to fix it.
right? fuck that
OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO SMART BLAH BLAH shut up, now it's a pain in the ass whenever I have work that I'm not automatically good at and I get frustrated or think something's wrong with me if I don't understand it immediately
it's usually this
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Element BrianPeanut Butter ShillRegistered Userregular
I misheard our partner on the conference call and thought he said our client's name was 'Mork' not 'Mark.'
constant adulation from adults when i was a kid totally undermined any chance i had of developing a strong work ethic in terms of academia. it sucks dick. still working many years later to fix it.
right? fuck that
OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO SMART BLAH BLAH shut up, now it's a pain in the ass whenever I have work that I'm not automatically good at and I get frustrated or think something's wrong with me if I don't understand it immediately
so much would have been fixed by going to a more challenging school (with a more committed set of peers)
but not everyone has that option i guess
thus years of remedial habits to learn at the wrong time
“Whether it’s the pioneer in the Conestoga wagon or someone coming here in the 1920s from southern Italy, there was this idea in America that if you worked hard and you showed real grit, that you could be successful,” he said. “Strangely, we’ve now forgotten that. People who have an easy time of things, who get 800s on their SAT’s, I worry that those people get feedback that everything they’re doing is great. And I think as a result, we are actually setting them up for long-term failure. When that person suddenly has to face up to a difficult moment, then I think they’re screwed, to be honest. I don’t think they’ve grown the capacities to be able to handle that.”
Its true. I didn't learn to work hard until well into my college career because I could get 99+% on any standardized test, ace any honors/AP test in HS and didn't care if not doing homework brought my overall grade down to a B/C. I was openly called lazy and laughed it off. Since I was still doing better than most it was tough to really put pressure on me. In college I could still ace gen ed stuff, but other classes weren't really test/research paper based or were actually on challenging material.
As much as we as a society need to make sure we help the special ed kids or the (to be blunt) dumb kids have a chance to succeed, I also think its important to keep kids challenged and not coasting. Even if you're just challenging their ego through competition with other gifted students, it would potentially help people get over those hurdles.
constant adulation from adults when i was a kid totally undermined any chance i had of developing a strong work ethic in terms of academia. it sucks dick. still working many years later to fix it.
right? fuck that
OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO SMART BLAH BLAH shut up, now it's a pain in the ass whenever I have work that I'm not automatically good at and I get frustrated or think something's wrong with me if I don't understand it immediately
it's usually this
A poet WOULD say this. "They don't get my art so THEY'RE broken"
constant adulation from adults when i was a kid totally undermined any chance i had of developing a strong work ethic in terms of academia. it sucks dick. still working many years later to fix it.
right? fuck that
OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO SMART BLAH BLAH shut up, now it's a pain in the ass whenever I have work that I'm not automatically good at and I get frustrated or think something's wrong with me if I don't understand it immediately
Have you tried just being automatically good at everything?
“Whether it’s the pioneer in the Conestoga wagon or someone coming here in the 1920s from southern Italy, there was this idea in America that if you worked hard and you showed real grit, that you could be successful,” he said. “Strangely, we’ve now forgotten that. People who have an easy time of things, who get 800s on their SAT’s, I worry that those people get feedback that everything they’re doing is great. And I think as a result, we are actually setting them up for long-term failure. When that person suddenly has to face up to a difficult moment, then I think they’re screwed, to be honest. I don’t think they’ve grown the capacities to be able to handle that.”
yeah this was a real problem for me in elementary school. got pulled out and put in all these "gifted" classes by virtue of the fact that i was "smart" and then i didn't have to do the scut work that the regular kids did.
after all, that kind of scut work was "boring" to a smart kid like me.
so you can see in that a single lesson that says that your intrinsic intelligence is more important than your willingness to work. and from there forward there was this kind of psychological incentive to blow off the scut work - call it boring - in order to emphasize the really important thing: that i'm an intrinsically smart kid and above that shit.
it's a really shitty lesson and i have struggled my entire life to get past it. in the end, you are worth what you contribute to the world through work and deeds and not what your potential and intelligence and inner life and perfectly cultivated tastes and opinions and values are.
We took this lesson to heart because it made for some serious challenges in our own lives too. Our kids have never been told they were smart by us, and always praised for their effort and achievement, not for their potential.
It's been like swimming upriver though. I don't think our daughter is immune from it, but I'm pretty sure the boys are.
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constant adulation from adults when i was a kid totally undermined any chance i had of developing a strong work ethic in terms of academia. it sucks dick. still working many years later to fix it.
right? fuck that
OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO SMART BLAH BLAH shut up, now it's a pain in the ass whenever I have work that I'm not automatically good at and I get frustrated or think something's wrong with me if I don't understand it immediately
so much would have been fixed by going to a more challenging school (with a more committed set of peers)
but not everyone has that option i guess
thus years of remedial habits to learn at the wrong time
I didn't study for a test until like my second year of college and found I wasn't very good at studying
one, the first article was kinda about the value of failure in developing the mental toughness needed for success, vs kids who kinda skate through on the strength of "intelligence" -- which we've talked about before in chat and I think is interesting personally and as a parent obvi
two, I don't think I like this second article it's very kitchen sink to me -- swot analysis, dividing tasks based on urgency/importance, let's just grab a chapter from a management book here and one from a self help book there and voila an article
like, calculus 2 has been one of the most upsetting things in my life. you spend all this time just 'getting' things quicker than everyone else, not needing to study etc.
then you're like o that was a real small pond i was in i guess. here i am at a community college- so not exactly the most demanding sieve for talent- and i feel like everyone in my math classes is better equipped than i am.
it makes you (me at least) feel really dumb. thought i was the smart kid. turns out i am not- or at least, if i am sort of a smart kid, being a smart kid is not in itself enough to accomplish difficult tasks in life. the ability these other kids have to effectively study and apply themselves is worth significantly more than my ability to do hard arithmetic in my head or remember lots of facts.
in this world chu is the stupid one!
Organichu on
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constant adulation from adults when i was a kid totally undermined any chance i had of developing a strong work ethic in terms of academia. it sucks dick. still working many years later to fix it.
right? fuck that
OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO SMART BLAH BLAH shut up, now it's a pain in the ass whenever I have work that I'm not automatically good at and I get frustrated or think something's wrong with me if I don't understand it immediately
it's usually this
A poet WOULD say this. "They don't get my art so THEY'RE broken"
i only got to experience the "ahahaha coasting through exams LIKE A BOSS" after I got asked to leave for academic non-performance and switched to a sixth form college in the uk
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constant adulation from adults when i was a kid totally undermined any chance i had of developing a strong work ethic in terms of academia. it sucks dick. still working many years later to fix it.
I was always told I was super-intelligent and destined for great things, but then my parents shot down everything I ever showed interest in and made me feel humiliated for liking those things.
It was kinda shitty of them, then, years later to harp on me for not knowing what I wanted to do with my life.
Toxoplasms are a real goddamn thing not something chat just made up about cat-people?
Now I know you cat people are truly all crazy.
Brain parasites are odd.
There are theories that it mimics what happens in rodents with humans and makes them extremely cat friendly.
I can't see the appeal to cats in general.
You want something to pet, you get a dog.
You want someone to snub you all passive aggressively when you ask them to not puke on the carpet or take a shit in the corner, you get a female roommate.
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yeah this was a real problem for me in elementary school. got pulled out and put in all these "gifted" classes by virtue of the fact that i was "smart" and then i didn't have to do the scut work that the regular kids did.
after all, that kind of scut work was "boring" to a smart kid like me.
so you can see in that a single lesson that says that your intrinsic intelligence is more important than your willingness to work. and from there forward there was this kind of psychological incentive to blow off the scut work - call it boring - in order to emphasize the really important thing: that i'm an intrinsically smart kid and above that shit.
it's a really shitty lesson and i have struggled my entire life to get past it. in the end, you are worth what you contribute to the world through work and deeds and not what your potential and intelligence and inner life and perfectly cultivated tastes and opinions and values are.
drop me a line when you're around. we can go out or drink at my place.
I really can't complain, as I made so much money. But if they had implemented segregated markets for ladder leagues with a RMAH and seasonal gear to keep the economy going instead of a single race to the bottom, I could have quit my job. Maybe I will do a write up one day on the databases and systems I built to manage all of it.
This is a good post to come home to. *dance*
Toxoplasms are a real goddamn thing not something chat just made up about cat-people?
Now I know you cat people are truly all crazy.
/me clicks article
ctrl+f
type in 'dweck'
no results
read dis: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/23/opinion/fear-failure-kelsey/
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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i liked D3 well enough on the PC. probably would have picked up the expansion
but then i bought it for 360 and loved it. like, everything that was kind of tedious about the clickyclick PC version and auctionhouse negating the point of progress was just not present. playing with bros was satisfying and easy. it was just fun.
so i am going to wait for the console release.
xbone pls
right? fuck that
OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO SMART BLAH BLAH shut up, now it's a pain in the ass whenever I have work that I'm not automatically good at and I get frustrated or think something's wrong with me if I don't understand it immediately
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
it's usually this
So i called him Mork for an hour
Arch,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
so much would have been fixed by going to a more challenging school (with a more committed set of peers)
but not everyone has that option i guess
thus years of remedial habits to learn at the wrong time
Its true. I didn't learn to work hard until well into my college career because I could get 99+% on any standardized test, ace any honors/AP test in HS and didn't care if not doing homework brought my overall grade down to a B/C. I was openly called lazy and laughed it off. Since I was still doing better than most it was tough to really put pressure on me. In college I could still ace gen ed stuff, but other classes weren't really test/research paper based or were actually on challenging material.
As much as we as a society need to make sure we help the special ed kids or the (to be blunt) dumb kids have a chance to succeed, I also think its important to keep kids challenged and not coasting. Even if you're just challenging their ego through competition with other gifted students, it would potentially help people get over those hurdles.
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A more interesting headline would be "Billionaire Home Depot Founder Learns Lesson From Progressive Street Protest Signs"
I'm legitimately worried they're going to bump me off and replace me with him as a full time salaried Unix guy
ofc then they'll be down one DBA and I can do that too
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A poet WOULD say this. "They don't get my art so THEY'RE broken"
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I MENDED SOMTHING.
I'd cry with happiness but you know, I'm a man now and all that jazz.
Have you tried just being automatically good at everything?
twitch.tv/tehsloth
at least you're not a black man, you wouldn't even get to smile
We took this lesson to heart because it made for some serious challenges in our own lives too. Our kids have never been told they were smart by us, and always praised for their effort and achievement, not for their potential.
It's been like swimming upriver though. I don't think our daughter is immune from it, but I'm pretty sure the boys are.
Not being picked in the Gifted class in primary school probably helped make me all fucked up...
Ironically, being picked in there would probably have done equal amounts of harm.
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I didn't study for a test until like my second year of college and found I wasn't very good at studying
I blame public education
two things
one, the first article was kinda about the value of failure in developing the mental toughness needed for success, vs kids who kinda skate through on the strength of "intelligence" -- which we've talked about before in chat and I think is interesting personally and as a parent obvi
two, I don't think I like this second article it's very kitchen sink to me -- swot analysis, dividing tasks based on urgency/importance, let's just grab a chapter from a management book here and one from a self help book there and voila an article
then you're like o that was a real small pond i was in i guess. here i am at a community college- so not exactly the most demanding sieve for talent- and i feel like everyone in my math classes is better equipped than i am.
it makes you (me at least) feel really dumb. thought i was the smart kid. turns out i am not- or at least, if i am sort of a smart kid, being a smart kid is not in itself enough to accomplish difficult tasks in life. the ability these other kids have to effectively study and apply themselves is worth significantly more than my ability to do hard arithmetic in my head or remember lots of facts.
in this world chu is the stupid one!
it's not that nobody gets my work
it's that nobody reads it
let's not put the cart before the horse
I was always told I was super-intelligent and destined for great things, but then my parents shot down everything I ever showed interest in and made me feel humiliated for liking those things.
It was kinda shitty of them, then, years later to harp on me for not knowing what I wanted to do with my life.
Brain parasites are odd.
There are theories that it mimics what happens in rodents with humans and makes them extremely cat friendly.
I can't see the appeal to cats in general.
You want something to pet, you get a dog.
You want someone to snub you all passive aggressively when you ask them to not puke on the carpet or take a shit in the corner, you get a female roommate.