the hooks aren't going to fall out because you didn't play lol for a couple of days deeb...maybe if loser and rugged did..you're a bronze medal at best, and a bronze V at worst.
Bronze 1, dick.
My series is coming up
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like, calculus 2 has been one of the most upsetting things in my life. you spend all this time just 'getting' things quicker than everyone else, not needing to study etc.
then you're like o that was a real small pond i was in i guess. here i am at a community college- so not exactly the most demanding sieve for talent- and i feel like everyone in my math classes is better equipped than i am.
it makes you (me at least) feel really dumb. thought i was the smart kid. turns out i am not- or at least, if i am sort of a smart kid, being a smart kid is not in itself enough to accomplish difficult tasks in life. the ability these other kids have to effectively study and apply themselves is worth significantly more than my ability to do hard arithmetic in my head or remember lots of facts.
in this world chu is the stupid one!
yes but a takeaway is also that these are skills that can be developed like any others
effective study habits, determination, resilience can be learned or strengthened
that's not an exaggeration, I hammered out that paper in like an hour because I'm a fuckup who waits until the last minute to do homework
I went on for paragraphs with huge sweeping assertions about slavery that broadly cited PBS articles I hadn't even read
"GOOD JOB" in the grade box
geez how bad are the other students, like if I were grading it I found problems within the first page, entire sections are in the wrong chronological order
I got lectured by someone on a message board once about doing that.
Apparently doing shit like this is actually plagiarism. I didn't even know that. I would figure academic dishonesty at the worst. But you could totes play that off as ignorance of a late night cram while NOVA was running in the background.
I've made up some resources before because I got assigned a topic that had like 0 reference material. Got an A on that when the teacher said he could pick out bullshit.
Yeah maybe you can, but your bullshit radar isn't immune to my fake citations.
I'm not proud but fuck if I'm going to travel 45+ minutes to a neighboring library to find material.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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middle school was easy, they said just wait until high school
high school was easy, they said just wait until college
college was easy, they said just wait until grad school
grad school was easy
dunked
*drops mic*
grad school was hard as fuck
I skipped through everything up until then and then I was like whoa fuck you want me to come up with an original thought instead of regurgitating someone else's thinking
oh my god you're going to push back on my assertions to make sure my thinking is sound
this content is hard and moves fast and everyone is at least as smart as I am if not smarter
so I tried to drop out my first semester lol
but my advisor wouldn't let me : (
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bowen you strike me as the unhappiest person ever
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are we talking about being gifted and stuff in public school?
I was recruited into my schools academic decathalon because I had a low GPA. Academic Decatholon scoring is based into groups of high gpa, middle gpa and low gpa and my teacher knew that I was just lazy so i would never do my homework but always get A's on all of my tests
i can't tell if i'm actually naturally intelligent or just really good with language or if they are the same thing
I don't think they're necessarily the same thing, but I do think that solid linguistic skill is something that is advantageous in just about any field.
it also means you are particularly strong with recursive logical systems, which is highly applicable to logic and math and music.
It may be that recursive logic is one of those first-order cognitive abilities that intelligence researchers are trying to figure out.
The only reason why I am skeptical that they are precisely the same thing is because there are people who are bad with language but still smart.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
“Whether it’s the pioneer in the Conestoga wagon or someone coming here in the 1920s from southern Italy, there was this idea in America that if you worked hard and you showed real grit, that you could be successful,” he said. “Strangely, we’ve now forgotten that. People who have an easy time of things, who get 800s on their SAT’s, I worry that those people get feedback that everything they’re doing is great. And I think as a result, we are actually setting them up for long-term failure. When that person suddenly has to face up to a difficult moment, then I think they’re screwed, to be honest. I don’t think they’ve grown the capacities to be able to handle that.”
yeah this was a real problem for me in elementary school. got pulled out and put in all these "gifted" classes by virtue of the fact that i was "smart" and then i didn't have to do the scut work that the regular kids did.
after all, that kind of scut work was "boring" to a smart kid like me.
so you can see in that a single lesson that says that your intrinsic intelligence is more important than your willingness to work. and from there forward there was this kind of psychological incentive to blow off the scut work - call it boring - in order to emphasize the really important thing: that i'm an intrinsically smart kid and above that shit.
it's a really shitty lesson and i have struggled my entire life to get past it. in the end, you are worth what you contribute to the world through work and deeds and not what your potential and intelligence and inner life and perfectly cultivated tastes and opinions and values are.
yeah
we've discussed this before
this has been me
o look in middle school u do like no work get good grades, ppl like o u so smart, ur like, heh heh cool
hs sometimes a bit difficult but not rly
senior year do like minimal work
have highest gpa
get near perfect SAT
go to ivy league school
even when feeling like you're not very good at things still get magna cum laude, but college is where i started to feel like a lazy failure
but then so used to just things being easy and succeeding because o hey i'm smart, things are supposed to be easy
then when i get to CHALLENGES
things i am NOT GOOD at or struggle with
i just want to give up and die and feel like my self-worth as a human is shit due to these mental habits
I think if you have smart you tend to discount it also though. I tend to have to explain things to some people at work extremely slowly and repeatedly and others can grasp it quickly and we can move on.
i can't tell if i'm actually naturally intelligent or just really good with language or if they are the same thing
I don't think they're necessarily the same thing, but I do think that solid linguistic skill is something that is advantageous in just about any field.
it also means you are particularly strong with recursive logical systems, which is highly applicable to logic and math and music.
It may be that recursive logic is one of those first-order cognitive abilities that intelligence researchers are trying to figure out.
The only reason why I am skeptical that they are precisely the same thing is because there are people who are bad with language but still smart.
look there are three kinds of intelligent
street smarts
book smarts
and horse sense
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I was raised to believe that I was going to fight on the battlefields of Armageddon with Jesus at my side because the end times would come by the time I was 20
I was raised to believe that I was going to fight on the battlefields of Armageddon with Jesus at my side because the end times would come by the time I was 20
Hey working all those fields and mowing lawns makes you strong, don't discount that.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
are we talking about being gifted and stuff in public school?
I was recruited into my schools academic decathalon because I had a low GPA. Academic Decatholon scoring is based into groups of high gpa, middle gpa and low gpa and my teacher knew that I was just lazy so i would never do my homework but always get A's on all of my tests
Junior Year: #2 overall C starter regionals and state
Senior Year: #1 Overall C Starter regionals and state, #6 at nationals.
The #1 and #2 both years were my teammate (two different guys). My senior year the #5 was also my teammate.
Lack of motivation!
gifted class was seven years in learning just how mediocre i was, so I daresay your class didn't challenge you enough
public school gifted classes in the US are only incrementally more challenging than regular classes, at least at the pre-middle-school level (age 11 and younger)
we weren't really 'challenged' in syllabus terms, really, besides the stalking terror of second language requirements; rather the main dynamic was expecting students to think of their performance and behaviour in those classes as normal rather than good enough. only later did we figure out that (say) the other students did not get to spend tons of their class time in impassioned debates rather than going over syllabus material, or did not spend so much class time on non-examinable topics like What Actually Determines Colour Changes In Precipitates, or did not do so much of their examinable material via student presented "project work" instead of notes
idk. the tenor of the discussion seems to be that students are mostly harmed by GE because they get the sense that they're already at the top. rather, my experience was that it was highly effective at shifting the student's frame in the reference in the opposition direction. when multiple of your classmates are international science olympiad champions representing your country in whatever far-flung capital it's held in this year, and this is just treated as expected, the pressure is to handle the "mainstream" material well, not flub even that
my study habits are so bad- the efficiency is near zero. sometimes i will spend 20hrs a week 'trying' to study calculus. but i get so little from it. i try and work problems but there are only so many ways i can rewrite an expression or whatever if i just can't figure out how to solve it. for a while i would basically work alongside wolfram-alpha but the problem there, of course, is that you won't have that resource on test day. so i try to solve problems in test-like conditions and sometimes it can just be dreadful if i'm far behind, conceptually.
people make flash cards and read through their notes and i see them nodding thoughtfully- they are getting something from it. i don't get that sensation at all. i feel like i study twice as much for half the effect. it's so horrifying.
if i manage to pass calc 2 this semester (got a middle C the first exam, not sure about the second... maybe a low C if i'm lucky?), i will be thrilled. now we're doing infinite sums and such, limits at infinity. it's frustrating literally to tears sometimes how much less helpful the work i put in is than that of other people.
curse this old, unmalleable brain
Does your school offer a tutoring service?
The community college I went to did. That can be super helpful. It's also hard. It's hard because you have to admit your difficulty to someone who is right there in front of you. But it can help so much because they will explain it a different way than your teacher did. Maybe they'll hit on something that clicks for you.
I've noticed some people with blank faces when the professor is lecturing about logic, but because I think of it a little differently I explain it a little differently. They get it when I do that. So it might be the same for you.
Keep at it man, and don't let yourself be ground out of this. It's hard work, but you are doing something incredibly worthwhile.
"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
like, calculus 2 has been one of the most upsetting things in my life. you spend all this time just 'getting' things quicker than everyone else, not needing to study etc.
then you're like o that was a real small pond i was in i guess. here i am at a community college- so not exactly the most demanding sieve for talent- and i feel like everyone in my math classes is better equipped than i am.
it makes you (me at least) feel really dumb. thought i was the smart kid. turns out i am not- or at least, if i am sort of a smart kid, being a smart kid is not in itself enough to accomplish difficult tasks in life. the ability these other kids have to effectively study and apply themselves is worth significantly more than my ability to do hard arithmetic in my head or remember lots of facts.
in this world chu is the stupid one!
yes but a takeaway is also that these are skills that can be developed like any others
effective study habits, determination, resilience can be learned or strengthened
it kinda scares me for my daughter because I'm basically out of time. I know there are a lot of things I did sort of wrong and stuff she isn't going to be able to accomplish without learning it herself somehow...
Idk man. It's scary sending her out into the world and thinking
"holy shit I wish I had done all these things differently but now it's too late
I love you good luck we did our best "
i feel real bad
i should stop telling my parents how i feel i am a dumb useless butt failure
because it probably makes them sad
it kinda scares me for my daughter because I'm basically out of time. I know there are a lot of things I did sort of wrong and stuff she isn't going to be able to accomplish without learning it herself somehow...
Idk man. It's scary sending her out into the world and thinking
"holy shit I wish I had done all these things differently but now it's too late
I love you good luck we did our best "
on the plus side failure builds character!
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I was raised to believe that I was going to fight on the battlefields of Armageddon with Jesus at my side because the end times would come by the time I was 20
It took me getting to college before anything required much effort for me at all. Even then, I wasn't really blown away.
Then I went to grad school. And I am humbled so much. The people around me are incredibly smart and have a command of issues and text that I can't even come close to. They can find the smallest problem in your argument and unwind the whole thing. It's actually a really amazing experience. I think that I'm starting to not have to be the smartest guy in the room anymore. I know I'm smart and that I can get a lot that eludes other people but I know that there are some people out there who are scary smart.
"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
it kinda scares me for my daughter because I'm basically out of time. I know there are a lot of things I did sort of wrong and stuff she isn't going to be able to accomplish without learning it herself somehow...
Idk man. It's scary sending her out into the world and thinking
"holy shit I wish I had done all these things differently but now it's too late
I love you good luck we did our best "
on the plus side failure builds character!
she is staring a pretty big one in the face right now... I should write a post about it.
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Bronze 1, dick.
My series is coming up
with few exceptions, everything we know is contained within the language
i am trying it's really hard : (
I got lectured by someone on a message board once about doing that.
Apparently doing shit like this is actually plagiarism. I didn't even know that. I would figure academic dishonesty at the worst. But you could totes play that off as ignorance of a late night cram while NOVA was running in the background.
I've made up some resources before because I got assigned a topic that had like 0 reference material. Got an A on that when the teacher said he could pick out bullshit.
Yeah maybe you can, but your bullshit radar isn't immune to my fake citations.
I'm not proud but fuck if I'm going to travel 45+ minutes to a neighboring library to find material.
I've yet to come across a great definition of intelligence anyways
so just cut to the chase. you are really good with language. who cares about extrapolating.
Somebody's parents didn't tell him he was going to automatically succeed...
grad school was hard as fuck
I skipped through everything up until then and then I was like whoa fuck you want me to come up with an original thought instead of regurgitating someone else's thinking
oh my god you're going to push back on my assertions to make sure my thinking is sound
this content is hard and moves fast and everyone is at least as smart as I am if not smarter
so I tried to drop out my first semester lol
but my advisor wouldn't let me : (
I was recruited into my schools academic decathalon because I had a low GPA. Academic Decatholon scoring is based into groups of high gpa, middle gpa and low gpa and my teacher knew that I was just lazy so i would never do my homework but always get A's on all of my tests
Arch,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
I don't think they're necessarily the same thing, but I do think that solid linguistic skill is something that is advantageous in just about any field.
it also means you are particularly strong with recursive logical systems, which is highly applicable to logic and math and music.
It may be that recursive logic is one of those first-order cognitive abilities that intelligence researchers are trying to figure out.
The only reason why I am skeptical that they are precisely the same thing is because there are people who are bad with language but still smart.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
yeah
we've discussed this before
this has been me
o look in middle school u do like no work get good grades, ppl like o u so smart, ur like, heh heh cool
hs sometimes a bit difficult but not rly
senior year do like minimal work
have highest gpa
get near perfect SAT
go to ivy league school
even when feeling like you're not very good at things still get magna cum laude, but college is where i started to feel like a lazy failure
but then so used to just things being easy and succeeding because o hey i'm smart, things are supposed to be easy
then when i get to CHALLENGES
things i am NOT GOOD at or struggle with
i just want to give up and die and feel like my self-worth as a human is shit due to these mental habits
which is how i've been feeling a lot lately
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
Working IT for 10+ years changes you.
Oh I just read the initial summary skippy posted which seemed to read like continued success is going to lead to worse failure in the long run
look there are three kinds of intelligent
street smarts
book smarts
and horse sense
*glances to shelf of derrida*
yeah, sure, whatever, pointdexter
because things are not going right and then instead of working out how to resolve them
i just flounder
Hey working all those fields and mowing lawns makes you strong, don't discount that.
Junior Year: #2 overall C starter regionals and state
Senior Year: #1 Overall C Starter regionals and state, #6 at nationals.
The #1 and #2 both years were my teammate (two different guys). My senior year the #5 was also my teammate.
Lack of motivation!
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
we weren't really 'challenged' in syllabus terms, really, besides the stalking terror of second language requirements; rather the main dynamic was expecting students to think of their performance and behaviour in those classes as normal rather than good enough. only later did we figure out that (say) the other students did not get to spend tons of their class time in impassioned debates rather than going over syllabus material, or did not spend so much class time on non-examinable topics like What Actually Determines Colour Changes In Precipitates, or did not do so much of their examinable material via student presented "project work" instead of notes
idk. the tenor of the discussion seems to be that students are mostly harmed by GE because they get the sense that they're already at the top. rather, my experience was that it was highly effective at shifting the student's frame in the reference in the opposition direction. when multiple of your classmates are international science olympiad champions representing your country in whatever far-flung capital it's held in this year, and this is just treated as expected, the pressure is to handle the "mainstream" material well, not flub even that
I strongly disagree, unless we use a particularly expansive definition of 'language' that I would then take issue with.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Does your school offer a tutoring service?
The community college I went to did. That can be super helpful. It's also hard. It's hard because you have to admit your difficulty to someone who is right there in front of you. But it can help so much because they will explain it a different way than your teacher did. Maybe they'll hit on something that clicks for you.
I've noticed some people with blank faces when the professor is lecturing about logic, but because I think of it a little differently I explain it a little differently. They get it when I do that. So it might be the same for you.
Keep at it man, and don't let yourself be ground out of this. It's hard work, but you are doing something incredibly worthwhile.
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
i try to tell @Powerpuppies that i am dumb
this is basically my collegiate experience
arguing with @Powerpuppies about whether i'm dumb
i feel real bad
i should stop telling my parents how i feel i am a dumb useless butt failure
because it probably makes them sad
make important life decision for me pls
on the plus side failure builds character!
there is nothing outside the text
look there i am
pointdexter
you are the jesus
Then I went to grad school. And I am humbled so much. The people around me are incredibly smart and have a command of issues and text that I can't even come close to. They can find the smallest problem in your argument and unwind the whole thing. It's actually a really amazing experience. I think that I'm starting to not have to be the smartest guy in the room anymore. I know I'm smart and that I can get a lot that eludes other people but I know that there are some people out there who are scary smart.
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
with this work
i was thinking it was not very good and i had my concerns with the data and stuff
which i raised
but then manager said it seemed ok and i was like well i trust you i am going to drop this i do not like confrontation
comes back to bite me in the ass of course ughhh my fear of failure and things going wrong is crippling
care to elaborate?
she is staring a pretty big one in the face right now... I should write a post about it.
OH MY GOD THANK YOU
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.