I was talking about the flow and timing of the conversation, not of a joke. If you think I pay enough attention to comedians jokes to memorize their timing, well, let us just say that I do not. I hardly even remember the precise wording.
Not to mentioning telling a joke in a conversation using stand up timing would be completely out of place and awkward.
So is everyone just gonna post the same picture of Olivia Wilde from Tron?
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So, the idea that a regular person repeating, reusing or otherwise appropriating a joke is somehow wrong and that accreditation is a moral responsibility? It's wrong.
There is no such moral imperative. It's not how comedy or communication works. And jokes aren't things to be protected, they are things to be told.
I was talking about the flow and timing of the conversation, not of a joke. If you think I pay enough attention to comedians jokes to memorize their timing, well, let us just say that I do not. I hardly even remember the precise wording.
Not to mentioning telling a joke in a conversation using stand up timing would be completely out of place and awkward.
I do not experience conversations as things which are meaningfully impeded if you say, "Hahah, yeah, my wife came up with that one" as the laughter dies down.
Which is not to say that you always need to be citing All The Things, either.
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So is everyone just gonna post the same picture of Olivia Wilde from Tron?
I'm not complaining.
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I mean...
I've been sick with sinuses for the last few days, requiring me to turn in one of my sick days at work. Mom keeps going on how they'll use any excuse to fire me...
Or about how I'm making more now than she's ever made in her life, and how she was able to support an apartment on 10k a year - which, btw, isn't true, as she was getting help from dad at the time.
But.. really.. I dunno. I just wish my psychiatric visit would get here, despite how much shame I'm getting about it from people.
I'm just.. sitting here. An acquaintance of mine lost a friend yesterday and is really broken about it. Another, closer friend lost her grandmother...
I know this isn't a contest. But god damn when it rains, it pours.
I was talking about the flow and timing of the conversation, not of a joke. If you think I pay enough attention to comedians jokes to memorize their timing, well, let us just say that I do not. I hardly even remember the precise wording.
Not to mentioning telling a joke in a conversation using stand up timing would be completely out of place and awkward.
I do not experience conversations as things which are meaningfully impeded if you say, "Hahah, yeah, my wife came up with that one" as the laughter dies down.
Which is not to say that you always need to be citing All The Things, either.
Sometimes there is a timing window for that! Sometimes, there is not and someone cracks another joke off of yours as the laughter is dying down, making a new wave of laughter.
I am not going to go "Wait shut up I didn't cite that joke yet my responsibility to the originator of that joke has not been fulfilled!"
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I was talking about the flow and timing of the conversation, not of a joke. If you think I pay enough attention to comedians jokes to memorize their timing, well, let us just say that I do not. I hardly even remember the precise wording.
Not to mentioning telling a joke in a conversation using stand up timing would be completely out of place and awkward.
I do not experience conversations as things which are meaningfully impeded if you say, "Hahah, yeah, my wife came up with that one" as the laughter dies down.
Which is not to say that you always need to be citing All The Things, either.
Sometimes there is a timing window for that! Sometimes, there is not and someone cracks another joke off of yours as the laughter is dying down, making a new wave of laughter.
I am not going to go "Wait shut up I didn't cite that joke yet my responsibility to the originator of that joke has not been fulfilled!"
I'm not gonna bother unless anyone would care
or I dunno, I'm drunk and otherwise won't shut up
or maybe as a seque - yeah I heard that one on QI isn't QI great
If you retell a whole long-form "priest walks into a bar" traditional joke-joke, no one is gonna ask where you got it and no one is gonna assume you made it up, so claiming you made it up is dorky, citing it is dorky. No one cares.
If you retell a funny first person story stolen from a comedian, that's just weird as heck, who does that? That's just regular lying.
If you steal a fragment of a joke like "sadness bowls" or just the kernel, some turn of phrase, some observation that makes a joke work and put it in regular conversation, I feel like that's totally fine! A cite would ruin it, no one will ask if it was stolen, you're not doing standup so no one is gonna call you a derivative hack, it's just absorbing a funny idea and reusing it in a slightly different context.
So many people, and I'm not just talking from a standup point of view. It's incredibly common to hear people do this in normal conversations because they're under the impression that people haven't heard the story before.
And reusing something in a different context but presenting it as your own idea is, as far as I'm concerned, stealing (lets call it "joke pirating" before someone wonderfully chimes in with "but the comedian doesn't lose out!"). Obviously there are gradients here (like, a joke about masturbation versus a very specific concept like sadness bowls) but I'm pretty firmly against using someone else's work to make you seem funnier/smarter/wittier/whateverer than you really are.
Hey are fundamentally different things with fundamentally different drivers and substrates upon which they act.
Yes, I am fully aware of this, but they are isomorphic; they map to each other in a way that is not superficial and actually indicates a deeper relationship. It's like if I were comparing a person to their picture, and I was like "this is him" and you were like "this is clearly not him this is a piece of paper, they're entirely different things".
I was talking about the flow and timing of the conversation, not of a joke. If you think I pay enough attention to comedians jokes to memorize their timing, well, let us just say that I do not. I hardly even remember the precise wording.
Not to mentioning telling a joke in a conversation using stand up timing would be completely out of place and awkward.
I do not experience conversations as things which are meaningfully impeded if you say, "Hahah, yeah, my wife came up with that one" as the laughter dies down.
Which is not to say that you always need to be citing All The Things, either.
Sometimes there is a timing window for that! Sometimes, there is not and someone cracks another joke off of yours as the laughter is dying down, making a new wave of laughter.
I am not going to go "Wait shut up I didn't cite that joke yet my responsibility to the originator of that joke has not been fulfilled!"
Yeah, sure.
Given your posts, DK's posts and Tav's posts, I don't think any of us are actually disagreeing about much.
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I will go "was that from xyz" or "didn't they do something like that on"
maybe it's more normal amongst me and mine because we talk about comedy/jokes we like/etc aaaallllllllllllll the fucking time.
idk if there's a way for me to prove this. you can test me!
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My language wasn't exact with the accreditation thing. I don't care if someone says "oh that was a mitch joke" but going full on with "I haven't slept for ten days because that would be too long" and acting as if you came up with it, that is what I have a problem with.
So, the idea that a regular person repeating, reusing or otherwise appropriating a joke is somehow wrong and that accreditation is a moral responsibility? It's wrong.
There is no such moral imperative. It's not how comedy or communication works. And jokes aren't things to be protected, they are things to be told.
Noooooooooope.
edit: To actually address your point. You're in academia, right? How would you feel if someone used your work in an academic paper without citing it? How would you feel about using someone else's work without citing it?
i mean i would never lie and say 'yes i came up with this'... or like, if the conversation were specifically 'ok, come up with a good pun on this' or whatever? like a rare circumstance where it's mutually understood that we're ad-libbing? obvs i would qualify it then
but generally if it fits a moment that's ok. sometimes the other people are big on comedy and the same sort of media i am, and i don't have to credit it. but if they're not i don't try and squeeze it in. if everyone's laughing and there's a moment of nothing i might add 'yeah, the first time i heard that from someone i almost shit my pants' or whatever
but very often i don't attribute it, it would feel weird to i think for my conversational style
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I was talking about the flow and timing of the conversation, not of a joke. If you think I pay enough attention to comedians jokes to memorize their timing, well, let us just say that I do not. I hardly even remember the precise wording.
Not to mentioning telling a joke in a conversation using stand up timing would be completely out of place and awkward.
*drools* sexy boots to terrible things to my composure
There is no such moral imperative. It's not how comedy or communication works. And jokes aren't things to be protected, they are things to be told.
I do not experience conversations as things which are meaningfully impeded if you say, "Hahah, yeah, my wife came up with that one" as the laughter dies down.
Which is not to say that you always need to be citing All The Things, either.
it all has this otherwordly quality few other nuclear explosion shots have
it is one of my favourite images and so when I hit "random" in my head it came up
I chose not to link that one because its so wide.
I've been sick with sinuses for the last few days, requiring me to turn in one of my sick days at work. Mom keeps going on how they'll use any excuse to fire me...
Or about how I'm making more now than she's ever made in her life, and how she was able to support an apartment on 10k a year - which, btw, isn't true, as she was getting help from dad at the time.
But.. really.. I dunno. I just wish my psychiatric visit would get here, despite how much shame I'm getting about it from people.
I'm just.. sitting here. An acquaintance of mine lost a friend yesterday and is really broken about it. Another, closer friend lost her grandmother...
I know this isn't a contest. But god damn when it rains, it pours.
Sometimes there is a timing window for that! Sometimes, there is not and someone cracks another joke off of yours as the laughter is dying down, making a new wave of laughter.
I am not going to go "Wait shut up I didn't cite that joke yet my responsibility to the originator of that joke has not been fulfilled!"
you got a problem buddy
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for real? Are you on a gameboy?
Accredit THAT!
murika?
no
we need a bigger image of olivia wilde
I don't care if it ruins the flow... deliver the line and then say where it came from
I find it kind of gross to do otherwise. likewise if you were quoting a book and didn't admit it, etc.
fuck yeah
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But which one?
I'm not gonna bother unless anyone would care
or I dunno, I'm drunk and otherwise won't shut up
or maybe as a seque - yeah I heard that one on QI isn't QI great
Seems like even if his hands were messed up a neurosurgeon ought to be able to find work in the medical field.
So many people, and I'm not just talking from a standup point of view. It's incredibly common to hear people do this in normal conversations because they're under the impression that people haven't heard the story before.
And reusing something in a different context but presenting it as your own idea is, as far as I'm concerned, stealing (lets call it "joke pirating" before someone wonderfully chimes in with "but the comedian doesn't lose out!"). Obviously there are gradients here (like, a joke about masturbation versus a very specific concept like sadness bowls) but I'm pretty firmly against using someone else's work to make you seem funnier/smarter/wittier/whateverer than you really are.
Yes, I am fully aware of this, but they are isomorphic; they map to each other in a way that is not superficial and actually indicates a deeper relationship. It's like if I were comparing a person to their picture, and I was like "this is him" and you were like "this is clearly not him this is a piece of paper, they're entirely different things".
That sounds really displeasureable to be around, if I am being honest.
If someone asked if I quoted something, I would tell them. But people are under no obligation to force that fact into a conversation.
I don't believe you.
sry bro i guess i am carlos mencia about this
Yeah, sure.
Given your posts, DK's posts and Tav's posts, I don't think any of us are actually disagreeing about much.
maybe it's more normal amongst me and mine because we talk about comedy/jokes we like/etc aaaallllllllllllll the fucking time.
idk if there's a way for me to prove this. you can test me!
Wouldn't want people to think that I am smarter than I really am.
Noooooooooope.
edit: To actually address your point. You're in academia, right? How would you feel if someone used your work in an academic paper without citing it? How would you feel about using someone else's work without citing it?
but generally if it fits a moment that's ok. sometimes the other people are big on comedy and the same sort of media i am, and i don't have to credit it. but if they're not i don't try and squeeze it in. if everyone's laughing and there's a moment of nothing i might add 'yeah, the first time i heard that from someone i almost shit my pants' or whatever
but very often i don't attribute it, it would feel weird to i think for my conversational style