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[Agents of Shield] Thread is under quarantine for potential Captain America 2 spoilers!
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I don't think that tracks.
Granted you admit he may stay dead, but still, the comparison makes zero sense.
I was just giving examples of other characters
Good point.
the rockets were kinda lame
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Veeeerrrrry subtle foreshadowing?
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if only there was a marvel movie thread
Let me point you in the right direction.
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Nexus, The movie clearly shows three major plot point from the show and right now we can only guess how much they will interact. But you can't really talk about the show without referencing the movie at this point because they're tied together.
In case anyone's wondering here's the 3 points I took from the movie:
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But it seems that the stuff that brought him back is absolutely deep within the Hydra camp, on the Hydra side of things. The Guest House was off the books, staffed by non-SHIELD people and super hostile.
So why would the Clairvoyant be after the secret to Coulson living if Hydra are the ones making the stuff and hiding it?
So maybe the Guest House is off the books because Fury was already super suspicious and moved the alien and the stuff off site? Which would be bad, because then the team took two of the good guys, who were contracted out by Fury.
The only thing I can think of is the "what happened when you died" is a misdirection. Maybe the Clairvoyant doesn't need to know it in the sense of "How did you come back?", but in the sense of "You were never a detected threat before your death, and once you died, you suddenly became a HUGE threat to Hydra and how did I not predict that?"
Because if the Guest House was a Hydra run facility, which it absolutely seems to be, it knows how Coulson came back. And it let it happen, to a certain extent, because Pierce knows Coulson is alive for sure, if Sitwell does.
The whole thing makes me think as much as it seems like Zola is the clairvoyant, it can't be. It has to be a thing designed to combat Hydra...maybe A.I.M. developed a program like Zola in attempts to get one step ahead...M.O.D.O.K...
It's also one thing to have those two events occur in the same movie, but having someone appear to die in a movie and then be alive later on the show would be a tough sell.
What?
That is the entire premise Agents of SHIELD is based on.
Agent Coulson begs to differ.
(although I totally get your point and agree with you, I'm just being an ass)
That's the joke.
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I really liked Sitwell, damnit. He had a sense of humor about all the craziness that surrounds them.
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and I feel like it would have been a way bigger deal internally at SHIELD if Fury brought Coulson back and then just said "Don't worry about it." A ton of people know how it happened, and were involved. Sitwell absolutely knew what happened.
So it makes more sense that Hydra knows all about how it happened, and the Clairvoyant is either not related to Hydra at all, or isn't interested in the actual ressurection.
Especially after the mid-credits stinger, I can't see Hydra being THAT phased by the dead coming back.
My guess would be a third party (The Hive?) that Fury learned about during his time as a spy, and kept off the books in exchange for access to their advanced tech.
Fury was into keeping secrets long before he knew about Hydra's return.
Also, as soon as they talked about Zola's algorithm my brain pinged "Clairvoyant".
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that there's a different Zola working in every HYDRA cell.
I am so hype for the next episode now.
Except the conflict between Centipede and SHIELD
What Hydra accomplished within SHIELD is a hell of a lot more impressive than what Centipede has done. They shaped major world events for decades, acquired a ton of advanced technology, and almost gained the ability to eliminate any potential enemy they want. It makes a lot more sense to preserve Hydra's position within SHIELD.
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And Dethlok attacked Blake, and not May.
Maaaaaaaaaaan this is getting crazy.
EDIT: The second I get a computer with editing software running I am doing this:
Garrett: "Hell, you took two in the gut...more than Sitwell here has ever done."
SMASH CUT
*Sitwell getting pancaked by a semi*
Except all those things are negated by Centipede's actions and the Clairvoyant.
They're not just an outside threat since they have a mole within SHIELD, they steal tech from SHIELD, and they try to recruit from SHIELD. Those are all reasons for Fury to investigate SHIELD itself.
Due to Centipede's ability to steal from SHIELD, that just encourages more security and oversight on SHIELD's R&D to ensure that nothing is stolen or misused.
Project Insight becomes less compelling when SHIELD knows that they have a mole within the organization who can either sabotage it or learn enough about it to render it useless.
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And that doesn't make Project Insight less compelling. Pretty much the opposite. Particularly the predictive algorithms part. If I can predict future terrorists, I can predict future moles. So you justify tighter security on the project which means more budget. And of course if there are mole attempts from outside terrorist organizations, then that must mean we're on the right track is a pretty easy line to feed oversight committees for more funding.
That would only be true if all the leaks are low level. However, Centipede's ability to infiltrate and predict SHIELD's actions shows that there are very high level moles. Heck, they suspect the Clairvoyant as someone who is aware of almost all of SHIELD's secrets.
Centipede's actions are motivating Fury and legit SHIELD leaders to do some really in-depth investigations, not simply accepting every security breach as isolated and easily dismissed incidents. Coulson has the same clearance level as Captain America, which is just two level below Fury, and Coulson knows that the Clairvoyant has access to information that only someone above him can get.
Please go talk about Cap 2 in the Marvel thread?
It would be quite considerate.
Just spoiler the whole damn reply except for "Cap2 spoilers" or "AoS/End of the Beginning" or whatever for context.
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If you're replying to shit labeled Cap2 Spoilers and your post isn't in spoilers....well odds are you're being a goose. You'll definitely look like one to those who haven't seen the movie yet.
Don't do that, please.
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And I still think it's pretty inconsiderate. I wouldn't do it myself.
If you have seen Cap 2, you should know that basically all text in this thread is either going to be: A) inside spoiler tags, or B) from people who haven't seen the movie.
Too much happens in the movie to have a spoiler free discussion about the show at the moment.
That's how it should be. It isn't how it is. And people will continue to slip and spoil Cap 2.
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