I doubt they killed her off, she's a high enough SHIELD agent and recurring comic character to be killed off so soon. I mean, she'll prolly die eventually, but not this early.
On the one hand, I want to think that Ward is going deep cover with Hydra, since Coulson's not an idiot, and wouldn't have sent Ward with Garrett if there was the possibility of Garrett recruiting him to Hydra.
On the other hand, unless there's some of that magic healing goop on Hand's plane, I'm pretty sure Ward just shot her and her team dead, which doesn't bode well.
I'm kind of annoyed, actually.
It felt a bit like having a twist for the sake of having a twist.
Also I'm actually kind of wishing it were Joss who were the showrunner as opposed to his brother, that way I would be able to snark about needing a serious talk about how he "shockingly" kills lesbians with sudden gunfire. Though I guess her orientation hadn't been revealed on the show yet.
On the one hand, I want to think that Ward is going deep cover with Hydra, since Coulson's not an idiot, and wouldn't have sent Ward with Garrett if there was the possibility of Garrett recruiting him to Hydra.
On the other hand, unless there's some of that magic healing goop on Hand's plane, I'm pretty sure Ward just shot her and her team dead, which doesn't bode well.
I am betting everything they did is easy enough to fake given the technology running around....also hand seems to me to be a big enough character that I wonder about bumping her off already. I just don't see them offing actual Marvel properties so easily.
Inside of a dog...it's too dark to read.
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On the one hand, I want to think that Ward is going deep cover with Hydra, since Coulson's not an idiot, and wouldn't have sent Ward with Garrett if there was the possibility of Garrett recruiting him to Hydra.
On the other hand, unless there's some of that magic healing goop on Hand's plane, I'm pretty sure Ward just shot her and her team dead, which doesn't bode well.
I'm kind of annoyed, actually.
It felt a bit like having a twist for the sake of having a twist.
Also I'm actually kind of wishing it were Joss who were the showrunner as opposed to his brother, that way I would be able to snark about needing a serious talk about how he "shockingly" kills lesbians with sudden gunfire. Though I guess her orientation hadn't been revealed on the show yet.
Re: orientation ....I thought she was omnisexual...like aliens, men, mutants, women whatever. I mean wasn't she the one dating Beast etc? Part alien and all that jazz?
Inside of a dog...it's too dark to read.
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On the one hand, I want to think that Ward is going deep cover with Hydra, since Coulson's not an idiot, and wouldn't have sent Ward with Garrett if there was the possibility of Garrett recruiting him to Hydra.
On the other hand, unless there's some of that magic healing goop on Hand's plane, I'm pretty sure Ward just shot her and her team dead, which doesn't bode well.
I'm kind of annoyed, actually.
It felt a bit like having a twist for the sake of having a twist.
Also I'm actually kind of wishing it were Joss who were the showrunner as opposed to his brother, that way I would be able to snark about needing a serious talk about how he "shockingly" kills lesbians with sudden gunfire. Though I guess her orientation hadn't been revealed on the show yet.
Re: orientation ....I thought she was omnisexual...like aliens, men, mutants, women whatever. I mean wasn't she the one dating Beast etc? Part alien and all that jazz?
On the one hand, I want to think that Ward is going deep cover with Hydra, since Coulson's not an idiot, and wouldn't have sent Ward with Garrett if there was the possibility of Garrett recruiting him to Hydra.
On the other hand, unless there's some of that magic healing goop on Hand's plane, I'm pretty sure Ward just shot her and her team dead, which doesn't bode well.
I'm kind of annoyed, actually.
It felt a bit like having a twist for the sake of having a twist.
Also I'm actually kind of wishing it were Joss who were the showrunner as opposed to his brother, that way I would be able to snark about needing a serious talk about how he "shockingly" kills lesbians with sudden gunfire. Though I guess her orientation hadn't been revealed on the show yet.
Re: orientation ....I thought she was omnisexual...like aliens, men, mutants, women whatever. I mean wasn't she the one dating Beast etc? Part alien and all that jazz?
Not that I recall. I thought she was just, as it were, straight lesbian. You're thinking of Abigail Brand.
Also, if she turns out to be
still alive, I actually won't be surprised.
I mean, at the end of the last episode, she came off as evil, so...
On the one hand, I want to think that Ward is going deep cover with Hydra, since Coulson's not an idiot, and wouldn't have sent Ward with Garrett if there was the possibility of Garrett recruiting him to Hydra.
On the other hand, unless there's some of that magic healing goop on Hand's plane, I'm pretty sure Ward just shot her and her team dead, which doesn't bode well.
I'm kind of annoyed, actually.
It felt a bit like having a twist for the sake of having a twist.
Also I'm actually kind of wishing it were Joss who were the showrunner as opposed to his brother, that way I would be able to snark about needing a serious talk about how he "shockingly" kills lesbians with sudden gunfire. Though I guess her orientation hadn't been revealed on the show yet.
Re: orientation ....I thought she was omnisexual...like aliens, men, mutants, women whatever. I mean wasn't she the one dating Beast etc? Part alien and all that jazz?
why would you not take the opportunity to have Ward say Hail Hydra
I suppose it is possible that it's a play within a play and Ward is going deep cover into Hydra. He and Coulson shared a look as he was leaving with Garrett. But that may be reaching.
thats not reaching that's how shows like this work.
It's possible but... to kill Hand? It didn't sound like an Icer, but maybe it was? Although Hand was keen on setting up that situation which wouldn't have happened if Ward wasn't there.... hard to say.
icers don't cause people to bleed out
Hand was definitely bleeding in the stinger
I'm on board with it being a con
though, really, I think I'd like Ward to just go be a bad guy
just... not at the expense of Hand's life, y'know. She's been really cool and I want to see more of her.
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The preview seems to make it clear that (Cap 2 and latest AoS spoilers)
Ward was brainwashed to join Hydra. He's not "Sebastian Stan as Winter Soldier has haunted eyes rimmed with guyliner after catching the shield", but he does not look pleased with his life choices in that ending shot.
When he first shot her in the stomach I figured they could easily say she survived that, and then BLAM BLAM BLAM... well, they could still pull something I suppose.
Also I was kinda hoping the Clairvoyant would be a whole separate thing from Hydra, but this ep and Winter Soldier went together so perfectly that I don't really mind.
So Bleeding Cool got ahold of DC's Future's End FCBD issue and hahahahahaha
35 years in the future pretty much all of the major heroes are evil brainwashed cyborg-zombies, including Superman and Wonder Woman.
Flash, Captain Cold, Batman, Batman Beyond, Amethyst, Grifter and John Stewart are the resistance. Everyone but Terry is killed by the end of the issue.
Frankenstein is one of Brother Eye's commanders and has SURGICALLY GRAFTED BLACK CANARY"S HEAD TO HIS TORSO SO HE CAN USE HER SCREAM
Terry is sent to the past, but misses by 5 years, his mission? To kill someone and prevent the timeline from occuring.
You know, I can't help feeling like I've heard the basic outline of this event before...
Not to mention that giant Alan Moore pitch that he did a long time ago that they rejected. It was even going to star John Constantine, who if I recall correctly, is at the heart of this new one too. Though the status of the various future versions of the heroes has changed.
Seriously, Decalogue is the perfect one-off DD episode.
Revolves around a group of people who have been affected by Daredevil, has a super cool reveal of Matt and could easily be adapted if they don't want to use the weird Hand demon thing
UK Reviews for ASM 2 are trickling in and the consensus so far seems to be it is kinda unfocused and has too many villains/too much foreshadowing
I like how that is still a complaint even though (Cap 2 spoilers)
we got FIVE villains in Cap2 and they all worked fine.
Actually
TWS
In traditional Comic book movie terms I'd say that this movie only really has one Villain.
Hydra.
When people say that a movie might be overburdened by to many villains it's not the characters themselves but instead the baggage that comes with them. It's expected that a Villain will have his own story and what not. The villains may work together but they have their own goals and personal tragedies. In that sense Amazing Spider-man sounds closer to Spider-man 3, each villain is an independent agent within the plot, and Cap 2 is more like X-men, which had four "villains" but really there's just Magneto.
here's hoping cap 3 is kinda like cap 2, in that the winter soldier guns down hella people. innocent people. super people, all sorts of people
that was a really good way to nail that character. he wasn't strictly speaking a wimp in the comics but man, if you saw him in this movie like upwards of eight people were usually dying. which is great because you usually see lame ass ineffectual villain behavior. throwing soft punches or like maybe taking out two people from an onward attack about to surround them all the while a hero is coming
nope, he's just always killing folks. i miss that sort of villain ethic
UK Reviews for ASM 2 are trickling in and the consensus so far seems to be it is kinda unfocused and has too many villains/too much foreshadowing
I like how that is still a complaint even though (Cap 2 spoilers)
we got FIVE villains in Cap2 and they all worked fine.
Actually
TWS
In traditional Comic book movie terms I'd say that this movie only really has one Villain.
Hydra.
When people say that a movie might be overburdened by to many villains it's not the characters themselves but instead the baggage that comes with them. It's expected that a Villain will have his own story and what not. The villains may work together but they have their own goals and personal tragedies. In that sense Amazing Spider-man sounds closer to Spider-man 3, each villain is an independent agent within the plot, and Cap 2 is more like X-men, which had four "villains" but really there's just Magneto.
Well, Batroc was working for Fury.
But then, he is Georges Batroc. The rules that bind lesser men, they do not apply, oui?
here's hoping cap 3 is kinda like cap 2, in that the winter soldier guns down hella people. innocent people. super people, all sorts of people
that was a really good way to nail that character. he wasn't strictly speaking a wimp in the comics but man, if you saw him in this movie like upwards of eight people were usually dying. which is great because you usually see lame ass ineffectual villain behavior. throwing soft punches or like maybe taking out two people from an onward attack about to surround them all the while a hero is coming
nope, he's just always killing folks. i miss that sort of villain ethic
Uhhhhh
Winter Soldier is very much not a villain.
His actions in TWS were while brainwashed and in the comics he is a heroic motherfucker
when i heard about the spoilers I thought Hand would probably live, but man you are going to need some comic magic, stat, for her to not be totally dead. She got shot like four times, and three of those were the way you get shot in tv shows to be super dead.
it's a visual jargon that if a bad guy shoots someone on the ground several times, they are dead. those are kill shots.
here's hoping cap 3 is kinda like cap 2, in that the winter soldier guns down hella people. innocent people. super people, all sorts of people
that was a really good way to nail that character. he wasn't strictly speaking a wimp in the comics but man, if you saw him in this movie like upwards of eight people were usually dying. which is great because you usually see lame ass ineffectual villain behavior. throwing soft punches or like maybe taking out two people from an onward attack about to surround them all the while a hero is coming
nope, he's just always killing folks. i miss that sort of villain ethic
Uhhhhh
Winter Soldier is very much not a villain.
His actions in TWS were while brainwashed and in the comics he is a heroic motherfucker
He is, however, an antagonist.
and I think it's fair to say that while brainwashed he is a villain.
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I guess it wasn't made explicit yet but
A thousand curses upon you!
(I have it DVR'd and waiting, and hopefully should be seeing Winter Soldier this week)
Re: orientation ....I thought she was omnisexual...like aliens, men, mutants, women whatever. I mean wasn't she the one dating Beast etc? Part alien and all that jazz?
You're thinking of Brand
http://marvel.wikia.com/Abigail_Brand_(Earth-616)
Sorry dude...
If they don't do a done-in-one Decalogue episode in the Netflix series then they will have fucked up
Not that I recall. I thought she was just, as it were, straight lesbian. You're thinking of Abigail Brand.
Also, if she turns out to be
I mean, at the end of the last episode, she came off as evil, so...
Ahhhh that's right, similar name, secret agent, funky hair color, attitude....to easy to confuse.
Hand was definitely bleeding in the stinger
I'm on board with it being a con
though, really, I think I'd like Ward to just go be a bad guy
just... not at the expense of Hand's life, y'know. She's been really cool and I want to see more of her.
Finally something to make him interesting
no ward no
GOD DAMMIT
Also I was kinda hoping the Clairvoyant would be a whole separate thing from Hydra, but this ep and Winter Soldier went together so perfectly that I don't really mind.
Not to mention that giant Alan Moore pitch that he did a long time ago that they rejected. It was even going to star John Constantine, who if I recall correctly, is at the heart of this new one too. Though the status of the various future versions of the heroes has changed.
Revolves around a group of people who have been affected by Daredevil, has a super cool reveal of Matt and could easily be adapted if they don't want to use the weird Hand demon thing
not really a spoiler, but television period:
fakeout
like some sort of disease your show has to pass through its system
i remember watching some new justified and thinking "you know, fuck it i should catch back up"
oh. oh cool patton oswalt
yeah fuck this
I mean
It's smart in terms of marketing and exposure but what the hell I literally just paid 4 bucks for that last week
Actually
TWS
Hydra.
When people say that a movie might be overburdened by to many villains it's not the characters themselves but instead the baggage that comes with them. It's expected that a Villain will have his own story and what not. The villains may work together but they have their own goals and personal tragedies. In that sense Amazing Spider-man sounds closer to Spider-man 3, each villain is an independent agent within the plot, and Cap 2 is more like X-men, which had four "villains" but really there's just Magneto.
that was a really good way to nail that character. he wasn't strictly speaking a wimp in the comics but man, if you saw him in this movie like upwards of eight people were usually dying. which is great because you usually see lame ass ineffectual villain behavior. throwing soft punches or like maybe taking out two people from an onward attack about to surround them all the while a hero is coming
nope, he's just always killing folks. i miss that sort of villain ethic
But then, he is Georges Batroc. The rules that bind lesser men, they do not apply, oui?
Why I fear the ocean.
I hope so!
i love it when writers just directly address criticisms of a show.
His actions in TWS were while brainwashed and in the comics he is a heroic motherfucker
it's a visual jargon that if a bad guy shoots someone on the ground several times, they are dead. those are kill shots.
He is, however, an antagonist.
I'm actually jumping ship to the new cool kids camp and have stopped watching.
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