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Sgt. Superhero Thread: The Spring Spoilers

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Today, Invincible reached a new low:
    There is a multi-page, graphic scene of Mark being raped by a Viltrumite woman.

    Marvel is ruining comic books blank

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Kirkland should be given any marvel book he desires

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Is Millar or Kirkland worse

    Reminder Millar said this once:

    "“The ultimate [act] that would be the taboo, to show how bad some villain is, was to have somebody being raped, you know?” he told me. “I don’t really think it matters. It’s the same as, like, a decapitation. It’s just a horrible act to show that somebody’s a bad guy.”"

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Kirkland should be given any marvel book he desires
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  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    they're both completely awful and should be locked in a room with Frank Miller and told that the last one still alive would be allowed to leave

    this would be a lie of course, we'd never let any of them out

    (also it's Kirkman, not Kirkland)

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Jeeeesus, in Invincible
    After it is over she tells him "Man up. It will probably take a few times. I'll see you soon."

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Autocorrect got me again

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  • chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
    Can someone spoil me on the second Cap America stinger?
    I saw the first one
    with the twins
    but the person I was with didn't care about the stingers and was trying to get out.
    What happened in the second?

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    chromdom wrote: »
    Can someone spoil me on the second Cap America stinger?
    I saw the first one
    with the twins
    but the person I was with didn't care about the stingers and was trying to get out.
    What happened in the second?
    Bucky, in disguise, is at the Cap exhibit and reads the Bucky Barnes biography.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    chromdom wrote: »
    Can someone spoil me on the second Cap America stinger?
    I saw the first one
    with the twins
    but the person I was with didn't care about the stingers and was trying to get out.
    What happened in the second?
    Bucky goes to the cap exhibit and remembers he's bucky

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    What the fuck is wrong with that ghost's head

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Ghost Problems

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  • Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    Rainfall wrote: »
    @Romanian My Escutcheon‌ you missed ASM2 in the OP somehow?

    So should I bother getting caught up on AoS since I stopped watching after like five episodes, or jump right in? Or just not bother at all?

    I didn't want the OP to take up too much of the page, and I haven't seen a lot of discussion about it, so I decided to leave it out.

    Though I keep up with this thread sporadically (at best), so that might've been an oversight.

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  • Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    AoS Spoilers/Speculation.
    I honestly hope that the Ward turn doesn't involve mind control/hypnosis.

    In my mind, it makes him a much more interesting character if he's voluntarily acting as a Hydra mole, as opposed to being manipulated.

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  • chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
    Thanks! That's cool

  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    I want everyone to know that I don't endorse that ghost image

  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    AoS Spoilers/Speculation.
    I honestly hope that the Ward turn doesn't involve mind control/hypnosis.

    In my mind, it makes him a much more interesting character if he's voluntarily acting as a Hydra mole, as opposed to being manipulated.

    Eh, even if
    It turns out he was brainwashed by Garrett, if it was semi-willingly, and especially if he goes whole hog, it could be an interesting turn. Kinda like Rhinox/Tankor from Beast Wars/Machines.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I want everyone to know that I don't endorse that ghost image

    His head is vaguely kkkish

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  • HawkstoneHawkstone Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things. Somewhere outside of BarstowRegistered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Gokerz wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    It's the sort of twist that was clearly thought about after episodes were made, because his actions and depictions while alone aren't the actions of a mole.

    AoS spoilers
    The writers have said in an interview that Ward was supposed to be the traitor from the beginning. They just didn't tell the actor until the filming of Yes Man.
    Brett Dalton has mentioned in a nother interview that he thinks that was the right way to do it, as he wouldn't have been able to pace the revelations right. His body language would given away too much too early.
    I agree that the result isn't that great either, because you got no hints at all. I blame Loeb.
    I dunno..I mean if everyone Hydra has been this deep cover for so many years it would become second nature at a certian point wouldnt it? The way I see it most days you wouldnt even really be doing anything different than other Shield agents...there could be long stretches where as a sleeper you really forget that your arent just like everybody else. Theoretically most of the time 5 people tops are manipulating things day to day and need maybe another dozen or so to affect their master plan....everybody else is just being a shield agent and waiting until word comes down that it is go time

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  • HawkstoneHawkstone Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things. Somewhere outside of BarstowRegistered User regular
    What the fuck is wrong with that ghost's head

    Viagra

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  • jdarksunjdarksun Struggler VARegistered User regular
    Tamin wrote: »
    Tamin wrote: »
    Shadowen wrote: »
    The preview seems to make it clear that (Cap 2 and latest AoS spoilers)
    Ward was brainwashed to join Hydra. He's not "Sebastian Stan as Winter Soldier has haunted eyes rimmed with guyliner after catching the shield", but he does not look pleased with his life choices in that ending shot.

    I didn't watch the preview, but ...
    the first time I saw the episode, I interpreted the stinger in the same way.

    Second viewing? not so much. He looked much more meditative then displeased, and the eye-flick looked more "psychopath" than "oh, what have I done?!"



    edit: that said, it's reasonable for him to be brainwashed; Garrett pulls him aside for a moment on the plane to "catch him up", and might have done something to him then.
    Loki's staff shows its victims something that makes them susceptible to his control.

    Also, when Ward mentioned to Skye about the time she offered to talk to him, that was from the episode with the rage staff. Maybe it's something related to that too. They did say that the rage staff makes people see the darkest part of themselves.
    I think my point is

    Ward had that discussion with Skye ... when he thought that Hand was the clairvoyant

    he was willing to reach out at that point

    when he learned that Garrett was the clairvoyant, something changed.

    Maybe that something was brainwashing kicking in
    Maybe that something was the good guys setting up a long con

    I don't know. But he went from wanting to have a drink with Skye to murdering Hand.

    Allegedly!

  • TheySlashThemTheySlashThem Registered User regular
    Ceno wrote: »

    I want to like RLM so badly but I really fucking hate the in-character stuff they do

  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Agents of SHIELD was really good, and I hope they have the guts to stick with some of the choices they made in this episode

  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Gokerz wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    It's the sort of twist that was clearly thought about after episodes were made, because his actions and depictions while alone aren't the actions of a mole.

    AoS spoilers
    The writers have said in an interview that Ward was supposed to be the traitor from the beginning. They just didn't tell the actor until the filming of Yes Man.
    Brett Dalton has mentioned in a nother interview that he thinks that was the right way to do it, as he wouldn't have been able to pace the revelations right. His body language would given away too much too early.
    I agree that the result isn't that great either, because you got no hints at all. I blame Loeb.
    I don't mind them not giving any hints at all for a turn, I just think it's not great writing to have completely opposite reactions that undermine the idea during the season.

    Like, I would appreciate the show not having the camera linger on Ward smiling insidiously for ten episodes or whatever before he turns bad, but there was stuff before that he just wouldn't naturally do, alone.

    Anyway, I'm fine with it whether or not he's a true traitor, I just think that while I can agree that not telling the actor isn't a terrible way to do things, when you do that you have to leave yourself some plausible deniability for the character to stay true to that turn.

  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Agents of SHIELD was really good, and I hope they have the guts to stick with some of the choices they made in this episode
    I'm not sure what they're going to do, logistically. Like, having Ward stay bad and be for real bad would be a good choice, but it also sucks for that actor since he'd go from a series regular to someone who shows up to be evil and eventually must be gotten rid of.

    In the same way, Paxton is a great villain, but it just means his tenure on the show is now limited, and I'd rather he be a main cast member who is making things interesting rather than a good villain who will eventually be ejected.

  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Ceno wrote: »

    I want to like RLM so badly but I really fucking hate the in-character stuff they do

    I have this weird thing with Plinkett

    I think the voice is actually pretty funny, and a lot of the ticks of the character are great (not quite finishing a sentence before moving on, etc) but the serial killer part is suuuuch a drag it pulls me out

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    I just fast forward through those parts

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I have that problem with both RLM and Film Critic Hulk. Essentially, I generally like and appreciate their perspective on things. But their presentation is so heinous that I can't be bothered.

  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Langly wrote: »
    Agents of SHIELD was really good, and I hope they have the guts to stick with some of the choices they made in this episode
    I'm not sure what they're going to do, logistically. Like, having Ward stay bad and be for real bad would be a good choice, but it also sucks for that actor since he'd go from a series regular to someone who shows up to be evil and eventually must be gotten rid of.

    In the same way, Paxton is a great villain, but it just means his tenure on the show is now limited, and I'd rather he be a main cast member who is making things interesting rather than a good villain who will eventually be ejected.
    I guess I'd rather have them do things that made for a more interesting story than I would have them try to write a story to keep an actor on a show. And there are all kinds of ways to keep Ward around long term, even if he is 100% Hydra. And honestly? Ward's character to this point hasn't been doing that actor any favors. And the show isn't exactly setting the world on fire in the ratings, so, might as well go fucking nuts.

    Also, Paxton was probably always on the show for a limited time only anyways. And he seems to be having a ton of fun with the heel turn.

  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I have that problem with both RLM and Film Critic Hulk. Essentially, I generally like and appreciate their perspective on things. But their presentation is so heinous that I can't be bothered.

    Oh good lord Plinkett isn't nearly as unwatchable as Film Critic Hulk

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    jesus you guys, they're just capital letters

    like, not to be glib but you're saying he's worse than a character that rapes and murders

  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    jesus you guys, they're just capital letters

    like, not to be glib but you're saying he's worse than a character that rapes and murders

    That's skippable

    The only way to skip FCH's shtick is to not read it

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  • NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2014
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I have that problem with both RLM and Film Critic Hulk. Essentially, I generally like and appreciate their perspective on things. But their presentation is so heinous that I can't be bothered.

    Oh good lord Plinkett isn't nearly as unwatchable as Film Critic Hulk

    I could probably watch a FCH review show. Maybe after having to read it a couple of times, he'd drop the schtick and write it proper.

    EDIT: Also, I have the same problem reading FCH I do with the Firefly comics. I can't stand reading stuff like it but I have no problem listening to a person speak the same way.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    you can c/p the text into a thing to make it go away

  • StiltsStilts Registered User regular
    jesus you guys, they're just capital letters

    like, not to be glib but you're saying he's worse than a character that rapes and murders

    Yeah, like, I can understand the all-caps being mildly irritating; but the way people talk about FCH sometimes, it's like he's forcing their eyes open and putting a strobe light an inch away from their face.

    It's very weird to me!

    Especially since FCH has really, really interesting things to say.

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  • JimothyJimothy Not in front of the fox he's with the owlRegistered User regular
    Langly wrote: »
    Gokerz wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    It's the sort of twist that was clearly thought about after episodes were made, because his actions and depictions while alone aren't the actions of a mole.

    AoS spoilers
    The writers have said in an interview that Ward was supposed to be the traitor from the beginning. They just didn't tell the actor until the filming of Yes Man.
    Brett Dalton has mentioned in a nother interview that he thinks that was the right way to do it, as he wouldn't have been able to pace the revelations right. His body language would given away too much too early.
    I agree that the result isn't that great either, because you got no hints at all. I blame Loeb.
    I don't mind them not giving any hints at all for a turn, I just think it's not great writing to have completely opposite reactions that undermine the idea during the season.

    Like, I would appreciate the show not having the camera linger on Ward smiling insidiously for ten episodes or whatever before he turns bad, but there was stuff before that he just wouldn't naturally do, alone.

    Anyway, I'm fine with it whether or not he's a true traitor, I just think that while I can agree that not telling the actor isn't a terrible way to do things, when you do that you have to leave yourself some plausible deniability for the character to stay true to that turn.
    I don't agree that it came out of nowhere
    And so if you’d look at how he related to everyone — Coulson loves projects. Here is a guy who didn’t have people skills. So Garrett says, can you help this guy Ward round off some of the rough edges? So he comes onto the team. Coulson is now vested, because he’s got a project. Who is Ward’s greatest threat? May. What does he do? He seduces her. Who is the one unknown on the team? Skye. He becomes her S.O. How do you get everyone rally around and trust you? You jump out of a plan trying to save someone else. Now, he had a parachute. Let’s say he failed to save Simmons, he would’ve been fine. Everything he’s done has solidified how people feel about him over the course of the season.

    And what was the next thing he had to do after he saved Simmons? He had someone on the plane who was jealous of him: Fitz. And what did they do? They went on a mission together and they had a really good time together. And a bromance was started. And that took care of that.

    I don't want to brag (but I'm going to), but I figured it out on Monday after evaluating what had happened over the season and thinking about Cap 2.

    I think it's pretty clear that Ward was a mole from the get-go and is now conflicted because he has developed feelings for Skye.

    And brainwashing could be part of it, but I really hope not.

    It'd be cool if he stayed a Hydra agent even after Garrett inevitably dies, he could even stay a regular and we could get a peak at how Hydra operates. It'd be good for the show to have a recurring villain, his personal ties to the team would provide a more interesting dynamic than most villains, and I think the show would benefit from having someone be the face of Hydra for the team. And also I think Ward/Skye would be the blandest couple and Skye/Fitz would be a better angle.

  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    worst case scenario for me on AoS
    Ward's conflicted about being a mole because he loves Skye. That would be the wooooorst, mostly because the Ward/Skye thing has been pretty awful so far

  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    jimothy everyone figured it out.

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