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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I did not say anything about not reading more into the written word, I said without law backing their decisions. Hobby Lobby goes counter to previous cases argued based on the dumb law that they suddenly found supports christian religious beliefs.

    My issue is they radically decide like with the VRA, what constitutes real law and what doesn't, without an actual support to that other than their office. I mean the VRA decision was so idiotically destructive it boggles the fucking mind.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited July 2014
    Yeah, there's "nothing in the Constitution directly addresses digital wiretaps, because that wasn't even a thing 200 years ago, but based on the text that's there, it seems to indicate a philosophy that would imply X, Y and Z." And then there's, "Well, let's just make some shit up, because haha whee!"

    One of those things is cool, and the other is what Scalia does.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Yeah, there's "nothing in the Constitution directly addresses digital wiretaps, because that wasn't even a thing 200 years ago, but based on the text that's there, it seems to indicate a philosophy that would imply X, Y and Z." And then there's, "Well, let's just make some shit up, because haha whee!"

    One of those things is cool, and the other is what Scalia does.

    Hey, he doesn't make shit up. He parrots whatever's on Fox News, because that's his only news source.

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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    hippofant wrote: »
    DoctorArch wrote: »
    It's Scalia. The context is he's a hack.

    Sometimes I wonder what lawyers think of Scalia.

    They love him.

    Seriously, I have never talked to a lawyer who didn't think Scalia was an amazingly smart and talented man who understands the law really well and writes great opinions. It just seems that the more liberal the lawyer, the more likely they are to say he's a political hack despite all that. But they gotta lean more liberal then you'd expect for that otherwise. (this is obviously just my limited experience)

    And in some ways, I can agree with that. What makes Scalia such a monumentally terrible person is that in many arguments, it's obvious he is a smart, witty guy who knows how to judiciate the shit out of things. It's just he's completely willing to suborn his skills in service to completely bullshit ideology that often goes against his own legal analysis. He will say stuff he provably knows is utterly wrong because, say, he hates the gays.

    He's just so obviously the guy who 100% knows better but chooses to be an asshole.

    Nope, don't love him

    I kind of despise him for the reasons you stated above, actually

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Yeah I can't imagine how any lawyer would love Scalia.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Yeah I can't imagine how any lawyer would love Scalia.

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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    He has written some landmark decisions that you read in law school, and his writing is usually entertaining because he's a snarky guy.

    His performances at oral argument are also for entertainment purposes. He likes to "gotcha" people and tell jokes.

    Four or five years ago I probably wouldn't feel as strongly about him, but man, he's really shown his full true colors recently.

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    He has written some landmark decisions that you read in law school, and his writing is usually entertaining because he's a snarky guy.

    His performances at oral argument are also for entertainment purposes. He likes to "gotcha" people and tell jokes.

    Four or five years ago I probably wouldn't feel as strongly about him, but man, he's really shown his full true colors recently.

    I think he wants to go down in the history books as a staunch defender of religious freedom.

    In reality, he'll go down as an inconsistent Justice who created law out of whole cloth instead of interpreting existing law as he should, and did so to further his own misguided ends. He'll be remembered as the guy who created obstacles we had to overcome, rather than the one helping overcome societal obstacles.

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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    edited July 2014
    So It Goes wrote: »
    He has written some landmark decisions that you read in law school, and his writing is usually entertaining because he's a snarky guy.

    His performances at oral argument are also for entertainment purposes. He likes to "gotcha" people and tell jokes.

    Four or five years ago I probably wouldn't feel as strongly about him, but man, he's really shown his full true colors recently.

    I think he wants to go down in the history books as a staunch defender of religious freedom.

    In reality, he'll go down as an inconsistent Justice who created law out of whole cloth instead of interpreting existing law as he should, and did so to further his own misguided ends. He'll be remembered as the guy who created obstacles we had to overcome, rather than the one helping overcome societal obstacles.

    That is a really good way to put it!

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    The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    edited July 2014
    Shryke wrote:
    Seriously, I have never talked to a lawyer who didn't think Scalia was an amazingly smart and talented man who understands the law really well and writes great opinions. It just seems that the more liberal the lawyer, the more likely they are to say he's a political hack despite all that. But they gotta lean more liberal then you'd expect for that otherwise. (this is obviously just my limited experience)

    Lawyers are people within a system that pays them based on their ability to argue in bad faith on whatever subject, so it hardly surprises me.

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    No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    The Ender wrote: »
    Shryke wrote:
    Seriously, I have never talked to a lawyer who didn't think Scalia was an amazingly smart and talented man who understands the law really well and writes great opinions. It just seems that the more liberal the lawyer, the more likely they are to say he's a political hack despite all that. But they gotta lean more liberal then you'd expect for that otherwise. (this is obviously just my limited experience)

    Lawyers are people that take home paychecks based on their ability to argue in bad faith on whatever subject, so it hardly surprises me.

    This could be phrased in a way that doesn't make all lawyers sound like assholes.

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    CorehealerCorehealer The Apothecary The softer edge of the universe.Registered User regular
    Better to have an advocate willing to advocate for those who are guilty then have no advocate at all. You can't have it both ways.

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    The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    Shryke wrote:
    Seriously, I have never talked to a lawyer who didn't think Scalia was an amazingly smart and talented man who understands the law really well and writes great opinions. It just seems that the more liberal the lawyer, the more likely they are to say he's a political hack despite all that. But they gotta lean more liberal then you'd expect for that otherwise. (this is obviously just my limited experience)

    Lawyers are people that take home paychecks based on their ability to argue in bad faith on whatever subject, so it hardly surprises me.

    This could be phrased in a way that doesn't make all lawyers sound like assholes.

    Fair enough.

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    Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited July 2014
    So It Goes wrote: »
    He has written some landmark decisions that you read in law school, and his writing is usually entertaining because he's a snarky guy.

    His performances at oral argument are also for entertainment purposes. He likes to "gotcha" people and tell jokes.

    Four or five years ago I probably wouldn't feel as strongly about him, but man, he's really shown his full true colors recently.

    He's the John Bolton of the SotC, nominated to the bench because he showed contempt for the court, and demonstrated said hate to Reagan's people by writing smarmy rants about SotC decisions in his lower court opinions. It's not really surprising how he's performed since, because it's pretty clear he's a contrarian who totally gets off on sticking in people's craw. But I like to think his behavior cost him the big chair, because I figure had he been less contentious, the Bush people would have given him the Chief Justice nomination, and brought Roberts in as an Associate Justice.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    The Ender wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    Shryke wrote:
    Seriously, I have never talked to a lawyer who didn't think Scalia was an amazingly smart and talented man who understands the law really well and writes great opinions. It just seems that the more liberal the lawyer, the more likely they are to say he's a political hack despite all that. But they gotta lean more liberal then you'd expect for that otherwise. (this is obviously just my limited experience)

    Lawyers are people that take home paychecks based on their ability to argue in bad faith on whatever subject, so it hardly surprises me.

    This could be phrased in a way that doesn't make all lawyers sound like assholes.

    Fair enough.

    You didn't phrase it any better.

    Arguing to the best of one's ability is not the same as arguing in bad faith.

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    The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    Shryke wrote:
    Seriously, I have never talked to a lawyer who didn't think Scalia was an amazingly smart and talented man who understands the law really well and writes great opinions. It just seems that the more liberal the lawyer, the more likely they are to say he's a political hack despite all that. But they gotta lean more liberal then you'd expect for that otherwise. (this is obviously just my limited experience)

    Lawyers are people that take home paychecks based on their ability to argue in bad faith on whatever subject, so it hardly surprises me.

    This could be phrased in a way that doesn't make all lawyers sound like assholes.

    Fair enough.

    You didn't phrase it any better.

    Arguing to the best of one's ability is not the same as arguing in bad faith.

    A prosecutor or defense attorney that thinks their party is wrong must still argue in favor of their party. Something that's incredibly unethical, in my opinion, and why I don't hold much regard for the profession.

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    AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    The Ender wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    Shryke wrote:
    Seriously, I have never talked to a lawyer who didn't think Scalia was an amazingly smart and talented man who understands the law really well and writes great opinions. It just seems that the more liberal the lawyer, the more likely they are to say he's a political hack despite all that. But they gotta lean more liberal then you'd expect for that otherwise. (this is obviously just my limited experience)

    Lawyers are people that take home paychecks based on their ability to argue in bad faith on whatever subject, so it hardly surprises me.

    This could be phrased in a way that doesn't make all lawyers sound like assholes.

    Fair enough.

    You didn't phrase it any better.

    Arguing to the best of one's ability is not the same as arguing in bad faith.

    A prosecutor or defense attorney that thinks their party is wrong must still argue in favor of their party. Something that's incredibly unethical, in my opinion, and why I don't hold much regard for the profession.

    Would you prefer a world in which unpopular defendants would be unable to secure representation? The judicial system is already distorted by public opinion, but at least everyone gets an advocate.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    The Ender wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    Shryke wrote:
    Seriously, I have never talked to a lawyer who didn't think Scalia was an amazingly smart and talented man who understands the law really well and writes great opinions. It just seems that the more liberal the lawyer, the more likely they are to say he's a political hack despite all that. But they gotta lean more liberal then you'd expect for that otherwise. (this is obviously just my limited experience)

    Lawyers are people that take home paychecks based on their ability to argue in bad faith on whatever subject, so it hardly surprises me.

    This could be phrased in a way that doesn't make all lawyers sound like assholes.

    Fair enough.

    You didn't phrase it any better.

    Arguing to the best of one's ability is not the same as arguing in bad faith.

    A prosecutor or defense attorney that thinks their party is wrong must still argue in favor of their party. Something that's incredibly unethical, in my opinion, and why I don't hold much regard for the profession.

    So you could get screwed because your lawyer doesn't like you personally?

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    No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    We're treading in A Goddamned Separate Thread country y'all.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    We're treading in A Goddamned Separate Thread country y'all.

    Fortunately we actually already have one.

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    The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    The Ender wrote: »
    Shryke wrote:
    Seriously, I have never talked to a lawyer who didn't think Scalia was an amazingly smart and talented man who understands the law really well and writes great opinions. It just seems that the more liberal the lawyer, the more likely they are to say he's a political hack despite all that. But they gotta lean more liberal then you'd expect for that otherwise. (this is obviously just my limited experience)

    Lawyers are people that take home paychecks based on their ability to argue in bad faith on whatever subject, so it hardly surprises me.

    This could be phrased in a way that doesn't make all lawyers sound like assholes.

    Fair enough.

    You didn't phrase it any better.

    Arguing to the best of one's ability is not the same as arguing in bad faith.

    A prosecutor or defense attorney that thinks their party is wrong must still argue in favor of their party. Something that's incredibly unethical, in my opinion, and why I don't hold much regard for the profession.

    Would you prefer a world in which unpopular defendants would be unable to secure representation? The judicial system is already distorted by public opinion, but at least everyone gets an advocate.

    I really do not know what I would prefer, honestly. I'm not a policy maker or expert in the relevant fields; I just know an unethical system when I see it.

    Client is guilty of stabbing a couple to death? Eh, just declare one of the key witnesses to be a racist and ad hominem your way to a victory at the witness's expense for the sake of your violent client. Know that your key evidence for prosecuting a suspect is either terrible, faked or both? Whatever. Just pretend it ain't and speak with more conviction than the underpaid pro bono intern defense. GG WP, go to jail and give me my paycheck.

    Etc.


    This is off topic, though, so by all means send me a PM if you want to continue the discussion.

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    He has written some landmark decisions that you read in law school, and his writing is usually entertaining because he's a snarky guy.

    His performances at oral argument are also for entertainment purposes. He likes to "gotcha" people and tell jokes.

    Four or five years ago I probably wouldn't feel as strongly about him, but man, he's really shown his full true colors recently.

    He's the John Bolton of the SotC, nominated to the bench because he showed contempt for the court, and demonstrated said hate to Reagan's people by writing smarmy rants about SotC decisions in his lower court opinions. It's not really surprising how he's performed since, because it's pretty clear he's a contrarian who totally gets off on sticking in people's craw. But I like to think his behavior cost him the big chair, because I figure had he been less contentious, the Bush people would have given him the Chief Justice nomination, and brought Roberts in as an Associate Justice.

    Nope. They brought Roberts in as Chief for one specific reason - his age.

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    ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Yeah, finding a reliable ideologue who is ostensibly qualified for SCOTUS and is also pretty young is like finding a four-leaf clover stapled to a gold-shitting unicorn.

    Conservatives couldn't have hoped for a better chief than Roberts.

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    silence1186silence1186 Character shields down! As a wingmanRegistered User regular
    If there was a fifth "liberal" justice, Roberts being Chief Justice would be a little less deleterious to the country though. It's not like his vote counts more.

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited July 2014
    If there was a fifth "liberal" justice, Roberts being Chief Justice would be a little less deleterious to the country though. It's not like his vote counts more.

    Well, he could still have a potent negative effect, just not as big of one. Chief Justice gets to decide who writes the opinion for whichever way he/she votes. So a Chief Justice actually has enormous power over the breadth or narrowness of a decision or its dissent.

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    Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Yeah, finding a reliable ideologue who is ostensibly qualified for SCOTUS and is also pretty young is like finding a four-leaf clover stapled to a gold-shitting unicorn.

    Conservatives couldn't have hoped for a better chief than Roberts.

    And yet they hate him for (rightly in my opinion) agreeing the healthcare mandate penalty was in fact a tax. To the base he's just a turncoat now.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    If there was a fifth "liberal" justice, Roberts being Chief Justice would be a little less deleterious to the country though. It's not like his vote counts more.

    Well, he could still have a potent negative effect, just not as big of one. Chief Justice gets to decide who writes the opinion for whichever way he/she votes. So a Chief Justice actually has enormous power over the breadth or narrowness of a decision or its dissent.

    Yeah, if one of the Conservative jurists were to be replaced we'll see a lot of 6-3 decisions with binding opinions by Roberts.

    Though I thought he had a health concern last year or so. Meaning he may not be around for as long as people thought.

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited July 2014
    moniker wrote: »
    If there was a fifth "liberal" justice, Roberts being Chief Justice would be a little less deleterious to the country though. It's not like his vote counts more.

    Well, he could still have a potent negative effect, just not as big of one. Chief Justice gets to decide who writes the opinion for whichever way he/she votes. So a Chief Justice actually has enormous power over the breadth or narrowness of a decision or its dissent.

    Yeah, if one of the Conservative jurists were to be replaced we'll see a lot of 6-3 decisions with binding opinions by Roberts.

    Though I thought he had a health concern last year or so. Meaning he may not be around for as long as people thought.

    Due to how obviously abusable this is... I have to ask, what is the origin of this? Is it just tradition, or is it laid out in rules somewhere? It's certainly not in the constitution (though barely anything is with regards to SCOTUS compared to the other branches).

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I really don't know what was going on with Roberts in that decision. The fact that he agreed with the tax thing and declared it valid was just a shocker.

    That is basically the opposite of what legal ethics is Ender. So no, you don't know an unethical system when you see it.

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited July 2014
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I really don't know what was going on with Roberts in that decision. The fact that he agreed with the tax thing and declared it valid was just a shocker.

    That is basically the opposite of what legal ethics is Ender. So no, you don't know an unethical system when you see it.

    The prosecution cheating to get convictions? Happens far too fucking much (AKA non-zero amounts per year). If the defense gets away with ad hominem attacks though... I'm going to have to say that's the prosecutor's fault for not objecting, cross-examining, etc. to deal with it.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I really don't know what was going on with Roberts in that decision. The fact that he agreed with the tax thing and declared it valid was just a shocker.

    Because if they destroyed the single largest advancement of the welfare state that liberals have been pushing for since Roosevelt (not that one, Teddy) on the newly invented idea that Congress can't force you to eat broccoli or something it means that there would no longer be any fig leaf to argue against single payer. That would be the sole option that a future heavily Democratic congress would have to hand and that is far worse than the ACA. Particularly since he knew that they could slowly dismember parts of the ACA (like, say, ensuring women have free access to reproductive health medicine) later on while still being known in the public consciousness as having kept it alive.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I really don't know what was going on with Roberts in that decision. The fact that he agreed with the tax thing and declared it valid was just a shocker.

    That is basically the opposite of what legal ethics is Ender. So no, you don't know an unethical system when you see it.

    The prosecution cheating to get convictions? Happens far too fucking much (AKA non-zero amounts per year). If the defense gets away with ad hominem attacks though... I'm going to have to say that's the prosecutor's fault for not objecting, cross-examining, etc. to deal with it.

    I'm not saying the current system is problem free. I'm saying that the idea of everyone getting legal representation is not a violation of any sort of legal ethics.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    If there was a fifth "liberal" justice, Roberts being Chief Justice would be a little less deleterious to the country though. It's not like his vote counts more.

    Well, he could still have a potent negative effect, just not as big of one. Chief Justice gets to decide who writes the opinion for whichever way he/she votes. So a Chief Justice actually has enormous power over the breadth or narrowness of a decision or its dissent.

    Yeah, if one of the Conservative jurists were to be replaced we'll see a lot of 6-3 decisions with binding opinions by Roberts.

    Though I thought he had a health concern last year or so. Meaning he may not be around for as long as people thought.

    Due to how obviously abusable this is... I have to ask, what is the origin of this? Is it just tradition, or is it laid out in rules somewhere? It's certainly not in the constitution (though barely anything is with regards to SCOTUS compared to the other branches).

    28 U.S. Code § 2071 and basically the fact that the Chief Justice, on account of being Chief, has the most Seniority on the Court. When he is in the minority that means the most senior Associate Justice in the majority gets to determine who writes the Opinion of the Court.

    Also, the Chief Justice is the Chancellor of the Smithsonian.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I really don't know what was going on with Roberts in that decision. The fact that he agreed with the tax thing and declared it valid was just a shocker.

    That is basically the opposite of what legal ethics is Ender. So no, you don't know an unethical system when you see it.

    The prosecution cheating to get convictions? Happens far too fucking much (AKA non-zero amounts per year). If the defense gets away with ad hominem attacks though... I'm going to have to say that's the prosecutor's fault for not objecting, cross-examining, etc. to deal with it.

    I'm not saying the current system is problem free. I'm saying that the idea of everyone getting legal representation is not a violation of any sort of legal ethics.

    In fact it is one of the basic tenets of legal ethics. Lawyering is hard. I mean, I read SCOTUS decisions for fun and leisure as well as policy white papers on transportation and economics. I've been a reference librarian and taken courses on GovDocs. I would be in no way comfortable with standing on the wrong side of a judge without competent legal counsel to advise me every step of the way.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited July 2014
    moniker wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I really don't know what was going on with Roberts in that decision. The fact that he agreed with the tax thing and declared it valid was just a shocker.

    Because if they destroyed the single largest advancement of the welfare state that liberals have been pushing for since Roosevelt (not that one, Teddy) on the newly invented idea that Congress can't force you to eat broccoli or something it means that there would no longer be any fig leaf to argue against single payer. That would be the sole option that a future heavily Democratic congress would have to hand and that is far worse than the ACA. Particularly since he knew that they could slowly dismember parts of the ACA (like, say, ensuring women have free access to reproductive health medicine) later on while still being known in the public consciousness as having kept it alive.

    Also a fig leaf to deny that the Court is a fundamentally politically institution and his role is not just an umpire calling balls and strikes.

    Though in fairness, he is. It's just that his strike zone stretches from a right handed batter's thigh to the on deck circle behind him.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited July 2014
    moniker wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I really don't know what was going on with Roberts in that decision. The fact that he agreed with the tax thing and declared it valid was just a shocker.

    Because if they destroyed the single largest advancement of the welfare state that liberals have been pushing for since Roosevelt (not that one, Teddy) on the newly invented idea that Congress can't force you to eat broccoli or something it means that there would no longer be any fig leaf to argue against single payer. That would be the sole option that a future heavily Democratic congress would have to hand and that is far worse than the ACA. Particularly since he knew that they could slowly dismember parts of the ACA (like, say, ensuring women have free access to reproductive health medicine) later on while still being known in the public consciousness as having kept it alive.

    Also a fig leaf to deny that the Court is a fundamentally politically institution and his role is not just an umpire calling balls and strikes.

    Though in fairness, he is. It's just that his strike zone stretches from a right handed batter's thigh to the on deck circle behind him.

    I think that fig leaf is more important then just that. Striking down the ACA would be the SCOTUS majority essentially declaring war on the Executive, half of Congress and the entire american left. God knows what would come of it. I don't think Roberts wanted to find out. He doesn't seem the type to try and burn this mother down.

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Because I think these threads get a little too depressing sometimes, I would like to inject a little (unintentional) humor.

    I was reading Jack Chick tracts (because I think they're incredibly funny) and came across this gem:

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    This is even funnier in light of the Hobby Lobby ruling. The idea that we're even close to a SCOTUS ruling like this one is delightfully deluded.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I really don't know what was going on with Roberts in that decision. The fact that he agreed with the tax thing and declared it valid was just a shocker.

    Because if they destroyed the single largest advancement of the welfare state that liberals have been pushing for since Roosevelt (not that one, Teddy) on the newly invented idea that Congress can't force you to eat broccoli or something it means that there would no longer be any fig leaf to argue against single payer. That would be the sole option that a future heavily Democratic congress would have to hand and that is far worse than the ACA. Particularly since he knew that they could slowly dismember parts of the ACA (like, say, ensuring women have free access to reproductive health medicine) later on while still being known in the public consciousness as having kept it alive.

    Also a fig leaf to deny that the Court is a fundamentally politically institution and his role is not just an umpire calling balls and strikes.

    Though in fairness, he is. It's just that his strike zone stretches from a right handed batter's thigh to the on deck circle behind him.

    I think that fig leaf is more important then just that. Striking down the ACA would be the SCOTUS majority essentially declaring war on the Executive, half of Congress and the entire american left. God knows what would come of it. I don't think Roberts wanted to find out. He doesn't seem the type to try and burn this mother down.

    Roberts did on the other hand hurt the ACA in two ways: His calling the mandate a tax he gave the Right tons of political ammunition. And he let GOP states fuck people by denying the Mediciad expansion.

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    Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Because I think these threads get a little too depressing sometimes, I would like to inject a little (unintentional) humor.

    I was reading Jack Chick tracts (because I think they're incredibly funny) and came across this gem:

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    This is even funnier in light of the Hobby Lobby ruling. The idea that we're even close to a SCOTUS ruling like this one is delightfully deluded.

    Well yeah, we need to establish the One World Order first. Baby steps.

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Because I think these threads get a little too depressing sometimes, I would like to inject a little (unintentional) humor.

    I was reading Jack Chick tracts (because I think they're incredibly funny) and came across this gem:

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    This is even funnier in light of the Hobby Lobby ruling. The idea that we're even close to a SCOTUS ruling like this one is delightfully deluded.

    Well yeah, we need to establish the One World Order first. Baby steps.

    Chick is really mixing up villians here.
    The world court is in Rome, so they're Catholic?
    But, they're saying Jesus isn't the one true god...
    But, also totally acknowledging a 'Father in Heaven'...

    I guess in Chick's fantasy world even the evil government is still Monotheistic.

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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