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The New (and On Notice) Obama Thread

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    I kinda have a hard time equating the crime of state sponsored tortue and lying under oath about getting your dick sucked.

    Well, right. But lying under oath about it, no matter how ridiculous the investigation, is a fairly serious crime. Clinton was not a rampantly criminal President like Nixon, Reagan, or Bush, but perjury is a fairly major offense nonetheless.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    But is it worth millions of dollars, years of investigation, and the chance at political upheaval? It's one thing to get Al Capone for tax evasion, it's another to take down a president because he doesn't want to admit to adultery.

  • MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    In related news...
    After stumbling out of the gate last month, militia activists in Texas are now appearing along the U.S.-Mexico border as part of a vigilante campaign to “secure our border” in the midst of a refugee crisis involving unaccompanied children from Central America.

    According to a handful of news reports out of Texas, the militiamen – who initially were nowhere to be seen after publicizing their plans last month – are now conducting patrols in some areas in hopes of stopping incursions by border crossers.

    [...]

    Strikingly, the patrols are being organized secretively, and all the militiamen involved have insisted on anonymity.

    This can only end well.

    It will probably end just like every single other time a bunch of gun nuts show up to play border patrol. Which is to say that they get bored after a couple of weeks and wander off.

    They drive up thinking it's going to be nonstop excitement, them just blowing away helpless people while patting themselves on the back about being heroes, only to find out that border patrol work is BORING and TEDIOUS and it's REALLY HOT and there's NO SHADE and you just go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and all you come across after a week of sunburns is litter. No people, just two empty water bottles and a torn plastic bag under a bush, and then twenty minutes of arguing if that meant someone was here or if it just fell out the back of your pickup when you drove by last time.

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    Mayabird wrote: »
    In related news...
    After stumbling out of the gate last month, militia activists in Texas are now appearing along the U.S.-Mexico border as part of a vigilante campaign to “secure our border” in the midst of a refugee crisis involving unaccompanied children from Central America.

    According to a handful of news reports out of Texas, the militiamen – who initially were nowhere to be seen after publicizing their plans last month – are now conducting patrols in some areas in hopes of stopping incursions by border crossers.

    [...]

    Strikingly, the patrols are being organized secretively, and all the militiamen involved have insisted on anonymity.

    This can only end well.

    It will probably end just like every single other time a bunch of gun nuts show up to play border patrol. Which is to say that they get bored after a couple of weeks and wander off.

    They drive up thinking it's going to be nonstop excitement, them just blowing away helpless people while patting themselves on the back about being heroes, only to find out that border patrol work is BORING and TEDIOUS and it's REALLY HOT and there's NO SHADE and you just go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and all you come across after a week of sunburns is litter. No people, just two empty water bottles and a torn plastic bag under a bush, and then twenty minutes of arguing if that meant someone was here or if it just fell out the back of your pickup when you drove by last time.

    If we're lucky they'll never get near a spot where people are likely to come across because either people will have a good idea where the assholes will be patrolling or it'll be an area where the real border patrol keeps a firm grasp on things and tells the assholes to kindly fuck off.

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  • chrishallett83chrishallett83 Amazon: shorturl.at/giJSV Steam: shorturl.at/ftCLSRegistered User regular
    And also there's all the tunnels that are being used to ferry people (and drugs etc. etc.) across the border that the idiot "minutemen" have no idea about.

  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited August 2014
    I kinda have a hard time equating the crime of state sponsored tortue and lying under oath about getting your dick sucked.

    Well, right. But lying under oath about it, no matter how ridiculous the investigation, is a fairly serious crime. Clinton was not a rampantly criminal President like Nixon, Reagan, or Bush, but perjury is a fairly major offense nonetheless.

    Eh, kind of. We tend to think of perjury as a serious crime because of the crimes it can be used to cover up not because we have some strict moral adherence to the truth. Implicit in the crime of perjury is the idea that the questions being asked are relevant to the issue at hand, and that the issue at hand is a serious matter.

    But clearly, as with Clinton, that is not always the case. He "lied" to what was more or less a political fishing expedition.

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  • chrishallett83chrishallett83 Amazon: shorturl.at/giJSV Steam: shorturl.at/ftCLSRegistered User regular
    Yeah, there's a slight difference between

    "Did you get a blowjob from an intern?"

    and

    "Are you responsible for sending thousands of American citizens to their deaths in a war you started under false pretenses?"

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    The line to kiss Obama's ass should start soon right?

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Sigh, if we hadn't done that...unemployment would finally be under 6%.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    But we kept the deficit under control!

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  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    explain graph please

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Public sector jobs lost/gained under a president. Obama is the only modern president to actually shrink the government in his time in office. Despite being the libbiest lib whoever libbed with lib sauce.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    That's the increase (or decrease in the current President's case) in public sector jobs of each President since Carter. With the census spikes included. We've lost ~650k under this President, which is not his fault so much as Congress' while everyone else grew the size of government (GASP!). A lot of that is because of state funding crises brought about by the great clusterfuck of 2008, and it's mostly teachers, police, fire fighters, that kind of thing.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    That's the increase (or decrease in the current President's case) in public sector jobs of each President since Carter. With the census spikes included. We've lost ~650k under this President, which is not his fault so much as Congress' while everyone else grew the size of government (GASP!). A lot of that is because of state funding crises brought about by the great clusterfuck of 2008, and it's mostly teachers, police, fire fighters, that kind of thing.

    Don't forget balanced budget amendments and provisions.

  • V1mV1m Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    The line to kiss Obama's ass should start soon right?

    2014-08-04_1556.jpg?itok=o5hJlS8X

    Those are just facts. What do they have to do with the Truth?

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  • ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    .
    V1m wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    The line to kiss Obama's ass should start soon right?

    2014-08-04_1556.jpg?itok=o5hJlS8X

    Those are just facts. What do they have to do with the Truth?

    It proves Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who personally executed the Benghazi attack?

    that's it, I'm shutting this entire forum down, everyone thank buttcleft
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    That's the increase (or decrease in the current President's case) in public sector jobs of each President since Carter. With the census spikes included. We've lost ~650k under this President, which is not his fault so much as Congress' while everyone else grew the size of government (GASP!). A lot of that is because of state funding crises brought about by the great clusterfuck of 2008, and it's mostly teachers, police, fire fighters, that kind of thing.

    Don't forget balanced budget amendments and provisions.

    Right, those forced the cuts when the crisis came.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    That's the increase (or decrease in the current President's case) in public sector jobs of each President since Carter. With the census spikes included. We've lost ~650k under this President, which is not his fault so much as Congress' while everyone else grew the size of government (GASP!). A lot of that is because of state funding crises brought about by the great clusterfuck of 2008, and it's mostly teachers, police, fire fighters, that kind of thing.

    Don't forget balanced budget amendments and provisions.

    Right, those forced the cuts when the crisis came.

    The sequester and other federal things cut federal payouts to the states significantly

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    See that spike where it almost hit even? That's from the stimulus

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    See that spike where it almost hit even? That's from the stimulus

    The spike is temporary Census hiring that happens every 10 years, and budgetary sequestration didn't happen until after the Budget Control Act of 2011 which was signed in August. Meaning around month ~32, though really it would have hit later when the budget for FY-2012 was enacted. Which is around where you can see the trend line advance a bit. However, it still is mostly non-Federal employees because it is mostly due to State's not getting continued Federal assistance to counteract the simultaneous growth in need for state assistance and housing bubble sized hole in property tax receipts.

  • ChanusChanus Ribbit! Registered User regular
    John Boehner ‘dismayed’ on Iraq response
    House Speaker John Boehner on Friday called U.S. airstrikes against Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant militants “appropriate,” but criticized the White House for being disengaged on the Iraq issue.

    “The president’s authorization of airstrikes is appropriate,” the Ohio Republican said in a statement, “but like many Americans, I am dismayed by the ongoing absence of a strategy for countering the grave threat ISIS poses to the region,” he said, in reference to an alternative name for ISIL.

    If it wasn't already clear the Republican Party line is one comprised of bullshit and nonsense, John Boehner just plainly stated he agrees with the President's course of action but the President's course of action is wrong.

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  • azith28azith28 Registered User regular
    Maybe if you can not read.

    Obamas strategy has been to pull out and pray to the rainbows and unicorn fairy that everyone just gets along without the people with the guns hanging around. Only now that hes a lame duck president and its politically helpful to get back into a war footing to make his party look like they are doing the right thing (At least in the last 30 seconds that is the publics long term memory).

    So how many people had to die before he took an action that he could have been taking for months/years to have prevented this uprising in the first place from getting as bad as it is?

    Don't get me wrong. Bohners an asshole. I hate him in a position of power, but there is nothing wrong with his comment.

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  • ChanusChanus Ribbit! Registered User regular
    I suppose that's one interpretation of Obama's policy in Iraq.

    The idea that continuing to fight there would have prevented something like this from happening is pretty laughable, though.

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  • EncEnc A Fool with Compassion The Land of Flowers (and Dragons)Registered User regular
    Yeah, there's a slight difference between

    "Did you get a blowjob from an intern?"

    and

    "Are you responsible for sending thousands of American citizens to their deaths in a war you started under false pretenses?"
    “If you commit perjury I don't care. Don't give a shit. I don't think you should because you grade murder. You have murder One. Murder Two. You realize that there can be a difference in the level of murder.

    So there must be a difference in the level of perjury. Perjury One is when you're saying there's no Holocaust when, you know, 10 million people have died in it, and Perjury Nine, is when you said you shagged someone and you didn't.”
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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    azith28 wrote: »
    Maybe if you can not read.

    Obamas strategy has been to pull out and pray to the rainbows and unicorn fairy that everyone just gets along without the people with the guns hanging around. Only now that hes a lame duck president and its politically helpful to get back into a war footing to make his party look like they are doing the right thing (At least in the last 30 seconds that is the publics long term memory).

    So how many people had to die before he took an action that he could have been taking for months/years to have prevented this uprising in the first place from getting as bad as it is?

    Don't get me wrong. Bohners an asshole. I hate him in a position of power, but there is nothing wrong with his comment.

    None because the idea that the US could have taken an action to stop this is nonsensical?

    Like, what in your mind was the proper action by the US?

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited August 2014
    We broke Iraq this is true, but spilling more blood and spending more money in a dmz situation to keep the country from falling apart is a horrible idea.

    Also its easy as hell to criticize the president when Boehner and co keep having him act unilaterally since they do litearlly nothing all the fucking time. Congress is the mother in law of our government.

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  • ChanusChanus Ribbit! Registered User regular
    If we just bomb enough people there won't be enough left to fight.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    If we just bomb enough people there won't be enough left to fight.

    And then the GOP can blame Obama for civilian casualties like they give a shit. Again congress does nothing, and then bitches the president isn't doing enough, and then sues him for doing something.

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  • HeartlashHeartlash Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    We broke Iraq this is true, but spilling more blood and spending more money in a dmz situation to keep the country from falling apart is a horrible idea.

    Agreed, this conflict was unavoidable given the regional context and parties involved. There are very few situations in history where the type of power shift we created in Iraq does not end in violence, and those have involved remarkable figures like Mandela or Ghandi.

    Iraq has no Mandela or Ghandi... It has Maliki.

    The above said, we do have an obligation to protect human life in that region if we can. This appears to be a situation where limited intervention WILL actually do some good for the Kurds, the Yezidis, and the Assyrians. They are victims of the monster (ISIS/ISIL) created in part by the US, Syria, Egypt, and more.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/obama-recommits-net-neutrality

    Obama remains firm on Net Neutrality, but I'm sure people will still bitch because reasons.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    Look, it's clear we just need to stay in Iraq forever.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/obama-recommits-net-neutrality

    Obama remains firm on Net Neutrality, but I'm sure people will still bitch because reasons.

    On this issue Obama has never been the problem. It's getting the people he appointed over at the FCC to have positions like he does that is the issue.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited August 2014
    Preacher wrote: »
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/obama-recommits-net-neutrality

    Obama remains firm on Net Neutrality, but I'm sure people will still bitch because reasons.

    On this issue Obama has never been the problem. It's getting the people he appointed over at the FCC to have positions like he does that is the issue.

    Yep, pretty meaningless that he's in favor of it if Wheeler doesn't change his fucking mind. Whose position was entirely predictable because come the fuck on.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    So, the President has signed a major pro-labor executive order - under it, any company with over $1M in federal contracts is hereby prohibited from enforcing mandatory binding arbitration clauses on employees, under penalty of being disqualified for federal contracts in the future.

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    And he's a Dictator again.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    And he's a Dictator again.

    Quantum dictator.

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    Schrödinger's dictator.

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    Goumindong wrote: »
    I kinda have a hard time equating the crime of state sponsored tortue and lying under oath about getting your dick sucked.

    Well, right. But lying under oath about it, no matter how ridiculous the investigation, is a fairly serious crime. Clinton was not a rampantly criminal President like Nixon, Reagan, or Bush, but perjury is a fairly major offense nonetheless.

    Eh, kind of. We tend to think of perjury as a serious crime because of the crimes it can be used to cover up not because we have some strict moral adherence to the truth. Implicit in the crime of perjury is the idea that the questions being asked are relevant to the issue at hand, and that the issue at hand is a serious matter.

    But clearly, as with Clinton, that is not always the case. He "lied" to what was more or less a political fishing expedition.

    No, lying under oath or breaking a sworn oath is a big no-no no matter how stupid the issue is.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    I kinda have a hard time equating the crime of state sponsored tortue and lying under oath about getting your dick sucked.

    Well, right. But lying under oath about it, no matter how ridiculous the investigation, is a fairly serious crime. Clinton was not a rampantly criminal President like Nixon, Reagan, or Bush, but perjury is a fairly major offense nonetheless.

    Eh, kind of. We tend to think of perjury as a serious crime because of the crimes it can be used to cover up not because we have some strict moral adherence to the truth. Implicit in the crime of perjury is the idea that the questions being asked are relevant to the issue at hand, and that the issue at hand is a serious matter.

    But clearly, as with Clinton, that is not always the case. He "lied" to what was more or less a political fishing expedition.

    No, lying under oath or breaking a sworn oath is a big no-no no matter how stupid the issue is.

    I don't think anyone is suggesting that committing perjury is a good thing.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Goumindong wrote: »
    I kinda have a hard time equating the crime of state sponsored tortue and lying under oath about getting your dick sucked.

    Well, right. But lying under oath about it, no matter how ridiculous the investigation, is a fairly serious crime. Clinton was not a rampantly criminal President like Nixon, Reagan, or Bush, but perjury is a fairly major offense nonetheless.

    Eh, kind of. We tend to think of perjury as a serious crime because of the crimes it can be used to cover up not because we have some strict moral adherence to the truth. Implicit in the crime of perjury is the idea that the questions being asked are relevant to the issue at hand, and that the issue at hand is a serious matter.

    But clearly, as with Clinton, that is not always the case. He "lied" to what was more or less a political fishing expedition.

    No, lying under oath or breaking a sworn oath is a big no-no no matter how stupid the issue is.

    No. Its not. Look, i you're under oath and the prosecutor asks you how large your penis is i expect you to tell him to fuck off or to lie. When you lie and then he breaks out a ruler you don't get sent to prison because the size of your penis doesn't fucking matter to the investigation. Normally this doesn't happen because prosecutors are prohibited from asking questions that are not relevant to the investigation. When in court, your council gets to object, and the judge can prohibit the question from being asked

    But special prosecutors get leeway on questions which goes beyond the scope of the investigation, allowing them to ask questions which are irrelevant. Which Starr did, which means that I don't give a fuck if someone lies about it when the consequence of the actions being queried are "dick and/or squat". I actually care more about what could otherwise be prosecutorial misconduct.

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