At least this way a minecraft 2 will actually get made, that was never going to happen with 20 person mojang
Other than using something other than Java (and the performance increase that would be the result), what would you guys even want from a Minecraft 2 that isn't already available with mods?
Everything from better graphics to more biomes to more creatures to new ores/weapons/materials/power sources/recipes/etc..., it's all there. I dick around from time to time in vanilla because it's fun to put on some music and just get my build on, but every now and again I will take a look into the Minecraft thread here on PA and I only have to read a post or two to realize that we are playing completely different games. They've got nuclear reactors and alternate dimensions and beekeeping and wireless power transfer and all kinds of crazy shit.
I can't think of anything that a sequel could really offer that isn't available right now for free for the current game.
At least this way a minecraft 2 will actually get made, that was never going to happen with 20 person mojang
Other than using something other than Java (and the performance increase that would be the result), what would you guys even want from a Minecraft 2 that isn't already available with mods?
Everything from better graphics to more biomes to more creatures to new ores/weapons/materials/power sources/recipes/etc..., it's all there. I dick around from time to time in vanilla because it's fun to put on some music and just get my build on, but every now and again I will take a look into the Minecraft thread here on PA and I only have to read a post or two to realize that we are playing completely different games. They've got nuclear reactors and alternate dimensions and beekeeping and wireless power transfer and all kinds of crazy shit.
I can't think of anything that a sequel could really offer that isn't available right now for free for the current game.
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One positive to the hordes of people crying "sellout" against Notch - it's given me a handy way to identify the people not worth listening to on any other subject.
One positive to the hordes of people crying "sellout" against Notch - it's given me a handy way to identify the people not worth listening to on any other subject.
Show me someone who wouldn't 'sell out' for 2.5 billion, and I'll show you a liar.
At least this way a minecraft 2 will actually get made, that was never going to happen with 20 person mojang
Other than using something other than Java (and the performance increase that would be the result), what would you guys even want from a Minecraft 2 that isn't already available with mods?
Everything from better graphics to more biomes to more creatures to new ores/weapons/materials/power sources/recipes/etc..., it's all there. I dick around from time to time in vanilla because it's fun to put on some music and just get my build on, but every now and again I will take a look into the Minecraft thread here on PA and I only have to read a post or two to realize that we are playing completely different games. They've got nuclear reactors and alternate dimensions and beekeeping and wireless power transfer and all kinds of crazy shit.
I can't think of anything that a sequel could really offer that isn't available right now for free for the current game.
Off hand the only things I can come up with would be:
* Remove Java
* A better front end to download/apply mods
* Servers that work with all versions - Pocket/Console/PC - I want my world to be on all my systems
* Official Rift support
* Integrate some of the better ideas from mods - especially things like more animals and vehicles.
At least this way a minecraft 2 will actually get made, that was never going to happen with 20 person mojang
Other than using something other than Java (and the performance increase that would be the result), what would you guys even want from a Minecraft 2 that isn't already available with mods?
Everything from better graphics to more biomes to more creatures to new ores/weapons/materials/power sources/recipes/etc..., it's all there. I dick around from time to time in vanilla because it's fun to put on some music and just get my build on, but every now and again I will take a look into the Minecraft thread here on PA and I only have to read a post or two to realize that we are playing completely different games. They've got nuclear reactors and alternate dimensions and beekeeping and wireless power transfer and all kinds of crazy shit.
I can't think of anything that a sequel could really offer that isn't available right now for free for the current game.
A more cohesive modding environment might help. As it stands the current G&T (modded) server is about to get updated to the next set of mod updates, which are all based on 1.7.10 (?)
But these are custom packs that have been picked out and made to play nice together. Yes all the mods are out there, but it'd be a giant pain in the ass to get pixelmon working with some of the space mods. Ideally MC2 or MC 1.9 could change up a bunch of things and integrate tools for the modding community that would allow things to play nicer together.
I'd love to see a more comprehensive in game toolkit as well, on all platforms. The ability to select large regions and delete/cut/copy/paste would be awesome. Or even a basic "fill with current selected material" option for things.
It would speed up building, and would allow you to transform a world into whatever you want MUCH quicker.
I'd also like to see official MC make better use of materials. Those other texture/mash up packs have some awesome textures... but many of them should be additions to the base MC materials. I'd love to be able to mix and match 2 or 3 (or more) texture packs and have access to all of those materials in a single world.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
I'd love to see a more comprehensive in game toolkit as well, on all platforms. The ability to select large regions and delete/cut/copy/paste would be awesome. Or even a basic "fill with current selected material" option for things.
It would speed up building, and would allow you to transform a world into whatever you want MUCH quicker.
I don't think Minecraft would benefit from this.
Part of the appeal of Minecraft is the obvious amount of work that goes into the creations that you see. If you make the creation too easy, it takes away something from the finished product.
It'd seem more likely for MC2 to focus on bringing paid DLC to the consoles, possibly making deals for some of the now available mods for that purpose. Stuff like Tinkers Construct and Twilight Forest would probably sell really well.
At least this way a minecraft 2 will actually get made, that was never going to happen with 20 person mojang
I don't see a Minecraft 2 happening. A backwards-compatible rewrite to throw out the Java crap, maybe, but it'll still just be Minecraft. Just like there's no Lego 2, there are just new Lego pieces.
I'd love to see a more comprehensive in game toolkit as well, on all platforms. The ability to select large regions and delete/cut/copy/paste would be awesome. Or even a basic "fill with current selected material" option for things.
It would speed up building, and would allow you to transform a world into whatever you want MUCH quicker.
I don't think Minecraft would benefit from this.
Part of the appeal of Minecraft is the obvious amount of work that goes into the creations that you see. If you make the creation too easy, it takes away something from the finished product.
Eh, I think it would help a lot. You still need to put in a ton of work. And I'm not talking about MASSIVE selectable areas. Even something like being able to select a 5x5 maximum area or some such would be a huge improvement.
You can certainly say some would say that it takes away from the game, but it wouldn't actually change anything about it other than a slight speed up of building, especially large segments of the same stuff.
At least this way a minecraft 2 will actually get made, that was never going to happen with 20 person mojang
I don't see a Minecraft 2 happening. A backwards-compatible rewrite to throw out the Java crap, maybe, but it'll still just be Minecraft. Just like there's no Lego 2, there are just new Lego pieces.
With the amount of time and development work a total engine rewrite would require, I'd be surprised if they did it without trying to recoup some of that cost through selling a new version. Any sequel would sell utterly ridiculous numbers of units.
I'd put money on Minecraft 2 built around Azure for cross-platform servers, with a new engine and optimised so that the full version could be played on phones and tablets, plus heavy hooks into the Microsoft Store and Wallet.
At least this way a minecraft 2 will actually get made, that was never going to happen with 20 person mojang
I don't see a Minecraft 2 happening. A backwards-compatible rewrite to throw out the Java crap, maybe, but it'll still just be Minecraft. Just like there's no Lego 2, there are just new Lego pieces.
How are those blocks floating? Does Minecraft not have a physics engine?
Short answer: No.
Longer answer: For most things, no.
Longerer answer: For most things, no, unless you use one of the mods that adds one, then: yes.
Before following any advice, opinions, or thoughts I may have expressed in the above post, be warned: I found Keven Costners "Waterworld" to be a very entertaining film.
At least this way a minecraft 2 will actually get made, that was never going to happen with 20 person mojang
I don't see a Minecraft 2 happening. A backwards-compatible rewrite to throw out the Java crap, maybe, but it'll still just be Minecraft. Just like there's no Lego 2, there are just new Lego pieces.
In a press release, Microsoft officials said they expect the acquisition to be "break-even" in Fiscal Year 2015, which ends June 30, 2015, on a GAAP basis.
In a press release, Microsoft officials said they expect the acquisition to be "break-even" in Fiscal Year 2015, which ends June 30, 2015, on a GAAP basis.
At least this way a minecraft 2 will actually get made, that was never going to happen with 20 person mojang
I don't see a Minecraft 2 happening. A backwards-compatible rewrite to throw out the Java crap, maybe, but it'll still just be Minecraft. Just like there's no Lego 2, there are just new Lego pieces.
At least this way a minecraft 2 will actually get made, that was never going to happen with 20 person mojang
I don't see a Minecraft 2 happening. A backwards-compatible rewrite to throw out the Java crap, maybe, but it'll still just be Minecraft. Just like there's no Lego 2, there are just new Lego pieces.
Normally I'd agree with you, but this is Microsoft we're talking about. They'll find a way to make Minecraft 2. (And by "find a way" I mean they'll put in a bunch of superfluous new features that could have easily been patched into the regular game and slap a "2" on it)
Which is how a company manages money. "We have too much money, someone acquire something" is not an abnormal sentiment.
Better than how a lot of them manage it.
"We came in under budget this year, quick spend it on something so we don't get a budget cut next year!"
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AkimboEGMr. FancypantsWears very fine pants indeedRegistered Userregular
Minecraft 2 is a great idea. Decouple from Java, add proper hardware-acceleration, multi-core support, a materials system and a properties-based approach to blocks, fluids, items, mobs, etc'. Build a new engine from the grounds up with modding and server management in mind.
But I seriously doubt that's what a Microsoft-made Minecraft 2 would be about.
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I'd love to see a more comprehensive in game toolkit as well, on all platforms. The ability to select large regions and delete/cut/copy/paste would be awesome. Or even a basic "fill with current selected material" option for things.
It would speed up building, and would allow you to transform a world into whatever you want MUCH quicker.
I don't think Minecraft would benefit from this.
Part of the appeal of Minecraft is the obvious amount of work that goes into the creations that you see. If you make the creation too easy, it takes away something from the finished product.
The only thing I wouldn't mind seeing would be a world editor, along the lines of SimCity style games. Let me set up the world I want to build in - lakes, mountains, islands, etc. I think there are mods for this type of thing, but it would be nice to have a built in "Landscape Creator". However, only natural features can be tweaked and once the world is created, it's on you to build in it.
At least this way a minecraft 2 will actually get made, that was never going to happen with 20 person mojang
I don't see a Minecraft 2 happening. A backwards-compatible rewrite to throw out the Java crap, maybe, but it'll still just be Minecraft. Just like there's no Lego 2, there are just new Lego pieces.
Normally I'd agree with you, but this is Microsoft we're talking about. They'll find a way to make Minecraft 2. (And by "find a way" I mean they'll put in a bunch of superfluous new features that could have easily been patched into the regular game and slap a "2" on it)
At some point though, how much patched content is enough for a full on resale of the game?
There isn't a reason to continue updating stuff anymore, because you can start putting game mechanics out for free and new content can be sold as expansions. Imagine something like the Twilight Forest being a $5 expansion to the base game, or something similar.
I'm sure there would be a more efficient way to render chunks, too. The have still has that bug with invisible chunks where you can see down to the bottom of the world.
Put into a new non-java engine, you could achieve some things: Better performance on pretty much every device by making it multi core supported. Higher build ceiling. Better fluids performance.
I'd honestly love to see Redstone reworked where it didn't actually take up a block, and could be something placed "inside" another block, with you controlling where the entry/exit points were so you could do more complex and more compact designs with it.
The thing that immediately kills Minecraft for me when I look at it is the crafting system. Not the idea that I have to craft everything, but that stupid grid thing.
At least this way a minecraft 2 will actually get made, that was never going to happen with 20 person mojang
I don't see a Minecraft 2 happening. A backwards-compatible rewrite to throw out the Java crap, maybe, but it'll still just be Minecraft. Just like there's no Lego 2, there are just new Lego pieces.
There is TOTALLY a Lego 2.
It's called K'Nex, and it's shit.
Hey, K'Nex and Legos aren't even similar things. Legos are blocks you stack together to make structures. K'Nex are various rods and connectors you stick together to create structures. K'Nex is closer to actual architecture with beams.
The thing that immediately kills Minecraft for me when I look at it is the crafting system. Not the idea that I have to craft everything, but that stupid grid thing.
Im sure theres mods that remove this on PC, but on console they dont have it thank god.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
In a press release, Microsoft officials said they expect the acquisition to be "break-even" in Fiscal Year 2015, which ends June 30, 2015, on a GAAP basis.
they'll make more from the purchase of Mojang/Minecraft than they would have had they left the money sitting in the back making interest.
This is something I think a lot of people are forgetting about this deal.
Yes Microsoft paid 2.5billion. For this investment to be worth it, it doesn't have to make them back more than 2.5 billion. Even across multiple years. Remember, the thing that they bought for 2.5 billion isn't gone. They have it now, and it's worth 2.5 billion because that's what they paid. If they can earn, say, 150 million in revenue in the next year, that's a 6% return on investment. Not earthshattering, but worth the acquisition, given what it will do for their Xbox brand if they can associate it with Minecraft.
Which is how a company manages money. "We have too much money, someone acquire something" is not an abnormal sentiment.
Better than how a lot of them manage it.
"We came in under budget this year, quick spend it on something so we don't get a budget cut next year!"
That's not how companies work, that's how employees within a company work. In fact, it's precisely because companies don't work like that that employees do. If a company sees a department coming in under budget, they don't praise them. Well, they might. But they also cut their budget for next year, because that's how good business works.
But managers of departments don't want that. Sure, they came in under budget one year, they think, but what about next year? You want to keep the flexibility to be able to spend if needed. So they make sure that their budget stays constant.
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Other than using something other than Java (and the performance increase that would be the result), what would you guys even want from a Minecraft 2 that isn't already available with mods?
Everything from better graphics to more biomes to more creatures to new ores/weapons/materials/power sources/recipes/etc..., it's all there. I dick around from time to time in vanilla because it's fun to put on some music and just get my build on, but every now and again I will take a look into the Minecraft thread here on PA and I only have to read a post or two to realize that we are playing completely different games. They've got nuclear reactors and alternate dimensions and beekeeping and wireless power transfer and all kinds of crazy shit.
I can't think of anything that a sequel could really offer that isn't available right now for free for the current game.
And it will be inferior to a fully modded PC copy of the original.
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So? Lots of games are better with mods than the stock versions. WoW, any game made by Bethesda...
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* Remove Java
* A better front end to download/apply mods
* Servers that work with all versions - Pocket/Console/PC - I want my world to be on all my systems
* Official Rift support
* Integrate some of the better ideas from mods - especially things like more animals and vehicles.
A more cohesive modding environment might help. As it stands the current G&T (modded) server is about to get updated to the next set of mod updates, which are all based on 1.7.10 (?)
But these are custom packs that have been picked out and made to play nice together. Yes all the mods are out there, but it'd be a giant pain in the ass to get pixelmon working with some of the space mods. Ideally MC2 or MC 1.9 could change up a bunch of things and integrate tools for the modding community that would allow things to play nicer together.
This would actually be really freaking cool.
It would speed up building, and would allow you to transform a world into whatever you want MUCH quicker.
I'd also like to see official MC make better use of materials. Those other texture/mash up packs have some awesome textures... but many of them should be additions to the base MC materials. I'd love to be able to mix and match 2 or 3 (or more) texture packs and have access to all of those materials in a single world.
I don't think Minecraft would benefit from this.
Part of the appeal of Minecraft is the obvious amount of work that goes into the creations that you see. If you make the creation too easy, it takes away something from the finished product.
I don't see a Minecraft 2 happening. A backwards-compatible rewrite to throw out the Java crap, maybe, but it'll still just be Minecraft. Just like there's no Lego 2, there are just new Lego pieces.
Eh, I think it would help a lot. You still need to put in a ton of work. And I'm not talking about MASSIVE selectable areas. Even something like being able to select a 5x5 maximum area or some such would be a huge improvement.
You can certainly say some would say that it takes away from the game, but it wouldn't actually change anything about it other than a slight speed up of building, especially large segments of the same stuff.
With the amount of time and development work a total engine rewrite would require, I'd be surprised if they did it without trying to recoup some of that cost through selling a new version. Any sequel would sell utterly ridiculous numbers of units.
I'd put money on Minecraft 2 built around Azure for cross-platform servers, with a new engine and optimised so that the full version could be played on phones and tablets, plus heavy hooks into the Microsoft Store and Wallet.
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There is TOTALLY a Lego 2.
It's called K'Nex, and it's shit.
Longerer answer: For most things, no, unless you use one of the mods that adds one, then: yes.
Microsoft Buys Minecraft Mojang
and what they actually mean by that.
http://www.polygon.com/2014/9/15/6153497/microsoft-minecraft-2-billion-deal
they'll make more from the purchase of Mojang/Minecraft than they would have had they left the money sitting in the back making interest.
Normally I'd agree with you, but this is Microsoft we're talking about. They'll find a way to make Minecraft 2. (And by "find a way" I mean they'll put in a bunch of superfluous new features that could have easily been patched into the regular game and slap a "2" on it)
Better than how a lot of them manage it.
"We came in under budget this year, quick spend it on something so we don't get a budget cut next year!"
But I seriously doubt that's what a Microsoft-made Minecraft 2 would be about.
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The only thing I wouldn't mind seeing would be a world editor, along the lines of SimCity style games. Let me set up the world I want to build in - lakes, mountains, islands, etc. I think there are mods for this type of thing, but it would be nice to have a built in "Landscape Creator". However, only natural features can be tweaked and once the world is created, it's on you to build in it.
Probably best to license the Quake 3 engine for that.
At some point though, how much patched content is enough for a full on resale of the game?
There isn't a reason to continue updating stuff anymore, because you can start putting game mechanics out for free and new content can be sold as expansions. Imagine something like the Twilight Forest being a $5 expansion to the base game, or something similar.
What I'm really hoping for is proper cloud support on the console versions.
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I'd honestly love to see Redstone reworked where it didn't actually take up a block, and could be something placed "inside" another block, with you controlling where the entry/exit points were so you could do more complex and more compact designs with it.
Microsoft's rivals were strong advocates of the plan "Buy Paul Allen an entire, authentic German Panzer Corps."
Needles to say, they're very disappointed, and Microsoft should expect the mail bomb campaign to start in earnest next week.
Hey, K'Nex and Legos aren't even similar things. Legos are blocks you stack together to make structures. K'Nex are various rods and connectors you stick together to create structures. K'Nex is closer to actual architecture with beams.
Im sure theres mods that remove this on PC, but on console they dont have it thank god.
This is something I think a lot of people are forgetting about this deal.
Yes Microsoft paid 2.5billion. For this investment to be worth it, it doesn't have to make them back more than 2.5 billion. Even across multiple years. Remember, the thing that they bought for 2.5 billion isn't gone. They have it now, and it's worth 2.5 billion because that's what they paid. If they can earn, say, 150 million in revenue in the next year, that's a 6% return on investment. Not earthshattering, but worth the acquisition, given what it will do for their Xbox brand if they can associate it with Minecraft.
That's not how companies work, that's how employees within a company work. In fact, it's precisely because companies don't work like that that employees do. If a company sees a department coming in under budget, they don't praise them. Well, they might. But they also cut their budget for next year, because that's how good business works.
But managers of departments don't want that. Sure, they came in under budget one year, they think, but what about next year? You want to keep the flexibility to be able to spend if needed. So they make sure that their budget stays constant.