Bouncing tokens around seems fun, and i like the triplet themes:
the spacey set that ends in orion and the cutlery anarch set...though maybe eater is supposed to go with those too, it certainly fits mechanically
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Steelskin is so good. It's like Inject but it can't fail. It's a Diesel that protects itself from trashing. Why would they print Inject if Steelskin is available???
Diesel vs steel is worth talking about though, since when you are down on your luck, 3 cards for free vs 1 can certainly make a difference. (Barring facechecking a 1 dmg ice when you have one card? but that seems super niche)
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vigil is siiiiiick but we already knew about that from the draft packs a few weeks ago
all three of the runner identities are REALLY strong, that really pleases me
virus breeding ground + harbinger + progenitor is spooky
amped is awesome, we knew that
steelskin is potentially the anarch replacement for plascrete (assuming it works the way it looks at first glance and you get to draw 3 cards as soon as it gets trashed by damage), AND it works against net damage!
eater and the cutlery is neat, kinda gimmicky though. I like the idea of a Kit ice destruction deck with Spooned.
corpside I'm not totally impressed with anything but the IDs
I love Gagarin Deep Space in an asset/upgrade-heavy deck
The Board miiiight be useful in that but it also might not be worth the deck slot
Mark Yale probably isn't worth the deck slot
the space ice are....hmm
assuming you just pay the cost as normal, each advancement only saves you a dollar
if you're running The Root, they become a much more viable proposition
I also like the idea of using Firmware Updates to advance them
basically I would only play them if you can get free advancement tokens in your deck (or maybe in blue sun because lol blue sun)
do these ice finally make BWBI playable?
perhaps? it's still really slow. The Board might help to stall the game out long enough for you to score. playtesting is necessary!
Eater and the Cutlery could be really amusing in a Nasir ice destruction deck or the like, but the influence cost is a bit much. Could still wrangle the idea in some anarch decks though...
I have always wanted to like anarchs, but for the longest time I haven't been able to make their card pool work for me. It seemed like I needed to go out of faction for practically everything. All their best tools worked better in Shaper or Criminal.
O&C changes things. All these cards have so much potential and are so flavourful too! They actually have some decent card draw now! Alternate strategies! Tools that work well together! Some Econ! Great cards with reasonable balancing!
The only downside to all this is that I'm going to have to wait to get all these wonderful toys.
Hello! I have been playing this game for the past few weeks, and it has been lots of fun!
I'm really late to the party on this one, but I finally caved when my neighbour bought a core on a whim. We're now on our 6th data-pack each.
I'm excited for more Anarch stuff!
Hello! I have been playing this game for the past few weeks, and it has been lots of fun!
I'm really late to the party on this one, but I finally caved when my neighbour bought a core on a whim. We're now on our 6th data-pack each.
I'm excited for more Anarch stuff!
I'd personally recommend buying the deluxe packages first, as they tend to be self contained (design wise). Data packs are designed as a set, and some packs can be pretty dull if you don't have other cards from that cycle. Not that there's anything bad about buying data packs, it's just that if you're buying things piece meal, you're going to get a much better play experience from the deluxe packs.
Hello! I have been playing this game for the past few weeks, and it has been lots of fun!
I'm really late to the party on this one, but I finally caved when my neighbour bought a core on a whim. We're now on our 6th data-pack each.
I'm excited for more Anarch stuff!
I'd personally recommend buying the deluxe packages first, as they tend to be self contained (design wise). Data packs are designed as a set, and some packs can be pretty dull if you don't have other cards from that cycle. Not that there's anything bad about buying data packs, it's just that if you're buying things piece meal, you're going to get a much better play experience from the deluxe packs.
Yea, I think I will pick up and split Honor and Profit with my neighbour, as he plays a Criminal deck, and I play Jinteki. I've been pretty choosy about my data packs, mostly to get stuff like Ronin and Caprice and Jackson, but getting Sundew, Pups and House of Knives would be really nice!
Order and Chaos looks pretty cool.
Neat stuff:
The constellation ice just seems good and great for BwBi
The Board and all of weylands x/1 agenda seems interesting in any of the new IDs
Amazing stuff for an event centric Anarch build
Things I'm disappointed to see:
That the already known Protesters and Investigative Journalism are the only bad pub related cards in there (was hoping for at least another runner card and more corp cards that use it)
The lack of a recurring transaction to give a point to BaBW in this blue sun era
I have been hoping and praying for something like Salvager. Now decks that run Wyldside don't have to dump 6 inf on asops! Hell, they don't even need to run Salvager with Amped Up and Stim Dealer available. I was kinda hoping for something that made Hard at Work decent to play, though. Oh well. Hard at work will eventually cycle out eventually and we can all pretend it was never printed. We'll have salvager forever.
IDs will eventually rotate out too, yeah? Everything but the core set given enough time?
Core set and deluxe boxes remain in the game forever, it's just the data packs that fall out eventually.
Kind of funny to think that one day Andy will be gone but Iain Sterling is eternal.
And nothing of value will be lost. Crims are good enough without her, frankly.
Edit: Actually, I think they'll keep her around. She's on so much card art these days that I figure she'll get a reprint with a less obnoxious ability.
Edit again: Forgot spoilers. Bah!
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ArcticLancerBest served chilled.Registered Userregular
Given that I'll be refraining from reading the O&C spoilers, I suspect the thread is going to be pretty boring for me to glaze over for a little while, huh? :P
I guess we will have to see as more come out. Right now it looks like corps will want the one that is out, while runners will want theirs just to counter the corp? Though I may be underestimating the runner card. I guess it might only be in W decks for now, though that consistent tax on the runner seems pretty darn good.
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Have a horrible/wonderful idea for Quetzal + E3 Feedback + Paintbrush + Knifed. Oh, you rezzed an ice? Ok, it's gone now. Parasite/Datasucker could be a fall-back.
Stick in PPVP and some econ cards, Cuj0 to avoid surprise destroyers, Deja Vu and SOT for Knifed recursion, some sort of draw, and it could be a decent deck. Or at least fun jank.
Eater is surprisingly potent when you realize how many cards there are out there that let you do something instead of accessing cards. Even makes Singularity practically playable - perhaps necessary.
Lastly, I have to admit I am disappointed not to see "I Got A Rock" in this expansion. It was even the perfect theme for Weyland, outer space!
Would be nice, yes, but I Got A Rock was mostly around in ye olden times because you could actually get enough reusable meat damage prevention to be invulnerable to most smaller meat sources.
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because there were no card limits in OGNR
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surprise of surprises, fast advance dominated that game because you could just play a deck with fifteen hedge funds, ten astroscripts, fifteen ETR ice and a bunch of biotic labors
I read it when I saw the link on maybe the FB group? Very good read. Also, I do like the NEH commentary, since I think people are under the mistaken impression that NEH is overhyped given the top-3 weren't NEH....
Turns out you can use Self-Destruct to keep the runner from accessing The Board, which is hilarious in a thematic sense.
A young, black haired man, wearing a stylish suit and power tie, knocks lightly on the door to the board room. "Sir, the hacker is about gain access to your browsing history. Shall I call Miss Mills for you?"
An old man at the end of the table looks up from his papers, a weary smile on his face. "Unfortunately, our contacts at SEA Source are unable to track down a man on a motorcycle; not even Mills can save us now. No, I'm going to need the The Briefcase."
"Are you sure, sir?" says the young man, remembering his training in its use. The other board members at the table look at each other and nod solemnly.
With a heavy heart, the intern fetches the chromatic case and places it at the old man's side. "It was a pleasure working for you, sir" he says, as he dons his parachute and jumps out the window.
So, a newbie question. What happens when the corp renounces a plan to pay for some cost (say, rezzing Archer)? Does it go to the Archives, get removed from play, or what?
My Chaos Theory/Oracle May (no Magnum Opus, no Plascrete) deck managed to out-money Blue Sun Oversight AI shenanigans tonight
It was glorious. As was the triple Punitive win in the other match (well, technically he was dead after the first two). Was sweating with him on six points though, but two Vitruvius tokens and having seen all three Punitives early felt a bit like cheating.
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So, a newbie question. What happens when the corp renounces a plan to pay for some cost (say, rezzing Archer)? Does it go to the Archives, get removed from play, or what?
Played Blue Sun for the first time, and know the indescribable joy of Curtain Wall and oversight AI, and the ineffable sadness of the same thing against Quetzal and E3 Feedback Implants and an account siphon in turn one.
So, a newbie question. What happens when the corp renounces a plan to pay for some cost (say, rezzing Archer)? Does it go to the Archives, get removed from play, or what?
What does "renounces a plan" mean?
Assuming "refuses to pay"? If the Corp declines to pay the additional cost on Archer, it doesn't get rezzed. That means if someone uses Forged Activation Orders on Archer the Corp can choose to rez it and sacrifice and agenda, or decline to pay the additional cost and not rez it, even if able to do so. It's a weird one.
So, a newbie question. What happens when the corp renounces a plan to pay for some cost (say, rezzing Archer)? Does it go to the Archives, get removed from play, or what?
What does "renounces a plan" mean?
You know, when you have a plan scored but you give it up to pay for the cost to rez Archer. Oh, I think the word used in the English cards is "forfeit"? It's a problem with playing with translated cards. I mostly just want to know if the forfeited plan goes to the archives for the runner to score with relative ease or if not, what happens to it.
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I assume in that instance, either you rez the Archer, which costs an agenda, or you trash Archer.
By plan do you mean Agenda?
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Some card abilities require the Corporation or Runner to forfeit
an agenda. When a player forfeits an agenda, he selects any
agenda in his score area and permanently removes it from the
game (it does not go to Archives or the heap). He no longer
scores points for the forfeited agenda
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"I will write your name in the ruin of them. I will paint you across history in the color of their blood."
Yeah, agenda it is. But the question I mean is what happens to the agenda, not Archer. An agenda in the Archives for the Runner to access seems mightily like nearly-unprotected points, at least in the Core box games me and my newbie friends have been playing, since it usually seems like a bit of a waste to protect the Archives with ice.
EDIT: Ah, there we go. Thanks . So we played it right intuitively. Good to know.
It is. Archer is a special case, because it has an additional cost to rez (i.e. forfeiting the agenda). It's in the FAQ that a player can choose to decline to pay an additional cost, even if they are able to do so. So if an unrezzed Archer is targeted with FAO, the corp player can choose to not pay the additional cost, in which case Archer does not get rezzed or trashed.
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Event: Run - Sabotage
Cost 2
Make a run. The first time you break all subroutines on a sentry during this run, trash that sentry.
A(3)
Knifed
Event: Run - Sabotage
Cost 1
Make a run. The first time you break all subroutines on a barrier during this run, trash that barrier.
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Spooned
Event: Run - Sabotage
Cost 2
Make a run. The first time you break all subroutines on a code gate during this run, trash that code gate.
A(3)
Holy crap these look to be incredibly potent in certain decks.
all three of the runner identities are REALLY strong, that really pleases me
virus breeding ground + harbinger + progenitor is spooky
amped is awesome, we knew that
steelskin is potentially the anarch replacement for plascrete (assuming it works the way it looks at first glance and you get to draw 3 cards as soon as it gets trashed by damage), AND it works against net damage!
eater and the cutlery is neat, kinda gimmicky though. I like the idea of a Kit ice destruction deck with Spooned.
corpside I'm not totally impressed with anything but the IDs
I love Gagarin Deep Space in an asset/upgrade-heavy deck
The Board miiiight be useful in that but it also might not be worth the deck slot
Mark Yale probably isn't worth the deck slot
the space ice are....hmm
assuming you just pay the cost as normal, each advancement only saves you a dollar
if you're running The Root, they become a much more viable proposition
I also like the idea of using Firmware Updates to advance them
basically I would only play them if you can get free advancement tokens in your deck (or maybe in blue sun because lol blue sun)
do these ice finally make BWBI playable?
perhaps? it's still really slow. The Board might help to stall the game out long enough for you to score. playtesting is necessary!
O&C changes things. All these cards have so much potential and are so flavourful too! They actually have some decent card draw now! Alternate strategies! Tools that work well together! Some Econ! Great cards with reasonable balancing!
The only downside to all this is that I'm going to have to wait to get all these wonderful toys.
I'm really late to the party on this one, but I finally caved when my neighbour bought a core on a whim. We're now on our 6th data-pack each.
I'm excited for more Anarch stuff!
Kind of funny to think that one day Andy will be gone but Iain Sterling is eternal.
Gagarin with some Encryption Protocols and Ash makes for an extremely taxing money sink. Especially when you can just rez another one.
The real question is if it means that Shi.Kyu is worth -2 agenda points.
I'd personally recommend buying the deluxe packages first, as they tend to be self contained (design wise). Data packs are designed as a set, and some packs can be pretty dull if you don't have other cards from that cycle. Not that there's anything bad about buying data packs, it's just that if you're buying things piece meal, you're going to get a much better play experience from the deluxe packs.
Yea, I think I will pick up and split Honor and Profit with my neighbour, as he plays a Criminal deck, and I play Jinteki. I've been pretty choosy about my data packs, mostly to get stuff like Ronin and Caprice and Jackson, but getting Sundew, Pups and House of Knives would be really nice!
Neat stuff:
The constellation ice just seems good and great for BwBi
The Board and all of weylands x/1 agenda seems interesting in any of the new IDs
Amazing stuff for an event centric Anarch build
Things I'm disappointed to see:
That the already known Protesters and Investigative Journalism are the only bad pub related cards in there (was hoping for at least another runner card and more corp cards that use it)
The lack of a recurring transaction to give a point to BaBW in this blue sun era
And nothing of value will be lost. Crims are good enough without her, frankly.
Edit: Actually, I think they'll keep her around. She's on so much card art these days that I figure she'll get a reprint with a less obnoxious ability.
Edit again: Forgot spoilers. Bah!
Perhaps I can interest you in my meager selection of pins?
Stick in PPVP and some econ cards, Cuj0 to avoid surprise destroyers, Deja Vu and SOT for Knifed recursion, some sort of draw, and it could be a decent deck. Or at least fun jank.
Eater is surprisingly potent when you realize how many cards there are out there that let you do something instead of accessing cards. Even makes Singularity practically playable - perhaps necessary.
Would be nice, yes, but I Got A Rock was mostly around in ye olden times because you could actually get enough reusable meat damage prevention to be invulnerable to most smaller meat sources.
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A young, black haired man, wearing a stylish suit and power tie, knocks lightly on the door to the board room. "Sir, the hacker is about gain access to your browsing history. Shall I call Miss Mills for you?"
An old man at the end of the table looks up from his papers, a weary smile on his face. "Unfortunately, our contacts at SEA Source are unable to track down a man on a motorcycle; not even Mills can save us now. No, I'm going to need the The Briefcase."
"Are you sure, sir?" says the young man, remembering his training in its use. The other board members at the table look at each other and nod solemnly.
With a heavy heart, the intern fetches the chromatic case and places it at the old man's side. "It was a pleasure working for you, sir" he says, as he dons his parachute and jumps out the window.
It was glorious. As was the triple Punitive win in the other match (well, technically he was dead after the first two). Was sweating with him on six points though, but two Vitruvius tokens and having seen all three Punitives early felt a bit like cheating.
What does "renounces a plan" mean?
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Assuming "refuses to pay"? If the Corp declines to pay the additional cost on Archer, it doesn't get rezzed. That means if someone uses Forged Activation Orders on Archer the Corp can choose to rez it and sacrifice and agenda, or decline to pay the additional cost and not rez it, even if able to do so. It's a weird one.
You know, when you have a plan scored but you give it up to pay for the cost to rez Archer. Oh, I think the word used in the English cards is "forfeit"? It's a problem with playing with translated cards. I mostly just want to know if the forfeited plan goes to the archives for the runner to score with relative ease or if not, what happens to it.
By plan do you mean Agenda?
Edit eidt: Forfeiting Agendas
Some card abilities require the Corporation or Runner to forfeit
an agenda. When a player forfeits an agenda, he selects any
agenda in his score area and permanently removes it from the
game (it does not go to Archives or the heap). He no longer
scores points for the forfeited agenda
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EDIT: Ah, there we go. Thanks
Archer doesn't get trashed by FAO if you decline to pay the additional cost. It just doesn't get rezzed.
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It is. Archer is a special case, because it has an additional cost to rez (i.e. forfeiting the agenda). It's in the FAQ that a player can choose to decline to pay an additional cost, even if they are able to do so. So if an unrezzed Archer is targeted with FAO, the corp player can choose to not pay the additional cost, in which case Archer does not get rezzed or trashed.