NOBODY EXPECTS THE FERELDEN [INQUSITION] especially if you never leave the Hinterlands

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
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    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Also I just finished Adamant
    Heavy stuff, man

    Spoilers for Adamant
    who in the HELL chose to let Hawke stay behind?

    Adamant spoilers
    I couldn't leave Hawke behind in favor of Stroud, but I did feel like it was the *correct* decision even though I couldn't make it.

    also for my second run, it'll be Hawke versus Alistair. I'm pretty sure Hawke will be left behind in that version.

  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    ...OK so apparently the dragon on the Storm Coast is not to be screwed with

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  • timspork's ghosttimspork's ghost Master Librarian and Ghostbuster Registered User regular
    Game done! Phew!

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  • GoatmonGoatmon Property of Amara_P Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    ...OK so apparently the dragon on the Storm Coast is not to be screwed with

    Best part is if you have Bull with you when you first see it in action, fighting a giant.

    Bull; "OH THAT'S BADASS!"

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    I swear I cannot find this mission to locate the Seekers on the war table

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  • number13number13 Registered User regular
    Spirit damage and non-elemental attacks from mages, and someone who can take down barriers is pretty pivotal for the Vinsomer dragon. He was definitely one of the harder ones I fought.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I just defeated Vinsomer. That was my favorite Dragon battle ao far.

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I swear I cannot find this mission to locate the Seekers on the war table

    If you already selected it there (You might have!) then it's actually on the world map

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  • number13number13 Registered User regular
    The harder the dragon battles are, the more fulfilling I find them. So, yeah, Vinsomer was definitely one of my favorites.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    edited November 2014
    None of the dragons so far have lived up to the Ferelden Frostback for me.

    Going through distinct phases made that fight seem so much more cinematic.

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  • QuirkyLittleTyrantQuirkyLittleTyrant A Mug Featuring Pichu On A Cloud Registered User regular
    Oh goodness the Cullen romance is the gushiest marshmallow and I love it.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    All the romances do a lot which is nice

    Cassandra's seems very rewarding so far, partly because she's a great character, partly because it's so well written

    I am looking forward to;
    Going to the ball in Orlais

    I heard you get some good romance stuff during/after that

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    I don't know that I'm wholly satisfied with the Blackwall romance

    I haven't capitalized on it a lot, maybe? But I haven't had much chance to act on it yet, either

    Also I haven't had the cheevo pop for the romance being locked in, even though I'm going steady with him
    Also the motherfucker is keeping secrets and I need to know what they are

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    took sera to an orlesian party and she made various disparaging comments about nobles including "he's a she"

    bioware........

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I mean, it's realistic that not every single character will be understanding and inclusive

    May as well be the already established worst character making comments like that

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Sera is awful eh

    who knew

    oh wait we all knew

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  • GoatmonGoatmon Property of Amara_P Registered User regular
    I haven't bothered with Sera thus far.

    Not because I have zero interest in hearing her banter and shit, but I don't see myself picking her over Varric.

    Unless I get the opportunity to crash a party.

    Please tell me I get to do that at some point.

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  • BubbyBubby Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    took sera to an orlesian party and she made various disparaging comments about nobles including "he's a she"

    bioware........

    Not every character needs to or should be politically correct.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I swear I cannot find this mission to locate the Seekers on the war table

    you've done the operation part already? It's not on the war table, you need to travel there through the world map

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    took sera to an orlesian party and she made various disparaging comments about nobles including "he's a she"

    bioware........

    Sera being transphobic doesn't surprise me that much

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  • vsovevsove ....also yes. Registered User regular
    edited November 2014
    I have seen some very valid reasons why that line, even for an 'awful' character, was hurtful towards a marginalized group.

    But since I had nothing to do with her or any of her writing I don't really feel comfortable saying much beyond that.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    I would be quite strange if every single character was enlightened

    That said, awesome, I now look forward to every time I bring up liking sera someone telling me shes transphobic, thanks bioware

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    That is totally fair and I haven't seen the scene but I'm sure she doesn't really get chastised our anything for her terrible commentary so it likely sends a poor message regardless.

    I just couldn't pass up a good opportunity to talk about how Sera is the worst.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    I should say that I don't necessarily think that Sera is an awful character

    just that she is a rather awful person

    mostly just an irritating person really

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    I'm not trying to justify the line; it's out of place, pithy, and too bluntly aimed in such a way that the Herald can't really respond to it (I assume)

    And yes, its inclusion is bad

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    took sera to an orlesian party and she made various disparaging comments about nobles including "he's a she"

    bioware........

    Sera being transphobic doesn't surprise me that much

    I'm actually getting uncomfortable over the amount of agrees this is getting because it sounds like I'm going "The line is fine" and I didn't mean to do that

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    I'm so tired of random transphobia in media, you guys

    I thought Krem was a sign that bioware had learned from their past mistakes

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    I don't know that I'm wholly satisfied with the Blackwall romance

    I haven't capitalized on it a lot, maybe? But I haven't had much chance to act on it yet, either

    Also I haven't had the cheevo pop for the romance being locked in, even though I'm going steady with him
    Also the motherfucker is keeping secrets and I need to know what they are

    There are stages to the romances, for instance, (Josephine romance spoilers)
    we'd been a steady thing for a little while but it wasn't until I got into an honor duel with the fiance her parents arranged for her and shouted out BECAUSE I LOVE YOU JOSEPHINE in the middle of the main plaza in Orlais that I got the cheevo

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  • Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 One of the multitude of Dans infesting this place Registered User regular
    As far as things go, that line didn't need to be included to cement her as a terrible person. It's actually more trouble than it may have seemed to be worth, to her writer.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    I'm frustrated because I really like sera and think a lot of things she does are within the realm of understandable given her character, goals, and upbringing

    But that's not defensible and shouldnt be in there and its gonna get brought up and derail the conversation every time

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    I'm so tired of random transphobia in media, you guys

    I thought Krem was a sign that bioware had learned from their past mistakes

    Krem is a sign that BioWare as a village has learned from their past mistakes

    That line by Sera is a sign that they are not perfect and that at least one writer, at the bare minimum, is not aware of how much those kinds of things can hurt people

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    sera is a fictional character I don't care what she "thinks" because she isn't a person

    her writer, however, is

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    I'm so tired of random transphobia in media, you guys

    I thought Krem was a sign that bioware had learned from their past mistakes

    A company is not a hive mind

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited November 2014
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    I don't know that I'm wholly satisfied with the Blackwall romance

    I haven't capitalized on it a lot, maybe? But I haven't had much chance to act on it yet, either

    Also I haven't had the cheevo pop for the romance being locked in, even though I'm going steady with him
    Also the motherfucker is keeping secrets and I need to know what they are

    There are stages to the romances, for instance, (Josephine romance spoilers)
    we'd been a steady thing for a little while but it wasn't until I got into an honor duel with the fiance her parents arranged for her and shouted out BECAUSE I LOVE YOU JOSEPHINE in the middle of the main plaza in Orlais that I got the cheevo

    See I love how fruity the romances are
    even at this early stage, when Cassandra was berating herself about Varric and I made a joke about still liking her, she was all "I'm being serious!" and the response is "you think I'm not?" with some proper weighty emotion behind it.

    There's a passion in the subplots (romantic and otherwise) that makes them seem more real and weighty than previous bioware games maybe had.

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  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    It's probably not Chincy; there's so much to dislike about Sera if you're disinclined towards her. That's probably how the comment ended up getting included in the first place, because to some it might feel like just a drop in the bucket rather than transphobic.

    Seems like a masquerade ball is an especially poor place to have a character out someone, just unfortunate all round.

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  • vsovevsove ....also yes. Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    I'm so tired of random transphobia in media, you guys

    I thought Krem was a sign that bioware had learned from their past mistakes

    Krem as a character had to go through multiple people - editors, production, localization (ensuring he was properly gendered in other languages was important) level design, character art, writing, cinematics. He was put in front of a large number of people who all really wanted to get him right.

    This line had to go past a single writer. I am not defending it or suggesting anyone's wrong to be upset at us by its inclusion, but I'd say Krem is a much better indication of what we value as a company.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    I'm so tired of random transphobia in media, you guys

    I thought Krem was a sign that bioware had learned from their past mistakes

    Bioware is a company, it's not a person. It's made up of hundreds of employees, this game in particular I'm sure has triple digits in terms of amount of names in the credits. Different parts of the game were worked on by different people.

    That's not to say things like this shouldn't be criticized but talking about "I thought Bioware had 'learned their lesson'" because of some other thing also in this game is a weirdly reductionist way to view things.

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  • BubbyBubby Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    sera is a fictional character I don't care what she "thinks" because she isn't a person

    her writer, however, is

    This is an overexaggeration. Tambor's kids in Transparent use that line to describe him several times, and while not saints they're fully developed characters. Someone being transphobic doesn't automatically make them a demon, and I'm guessing you go deeper into why Sera can sometimes be insensitive as the game progresses. I haven't even met the character yet however.

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. i'm the bat guy (bluh)Registered User regular
    As far as things go, that line didn't need to be included to cement her as a terrible person. It's actually more trouble than it may have seemed to be worth, to her writer.

    It almost certainly was not included to paint sera in a negative light

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  • GoatmonGoatmon Property of Amara_P Registered User regular
    Bubby wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    sera is a fictional character I don't care what she "thinks" because she isn't a person

    her writer, however, is

    This is an overexaggeration. Tambor's kids in Transparent use that line to describe him several times, and while not saints they're fully developed characters. Someone being transphobic doesn't automatically make them a demon, and I'm guessing you go deeper into why Sera can sometimes be insensitive as the game progresses. I haven't even met the character yet however.

    You're kind of missing the point, there.

    It's a question of why anyone approved letting this line into the game, period.

    A character can establish themselves as being oafish with social issues without specifically saying legitimately hurtful tings that some people have to cope with on a regular basis.

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