I took his side in Demands of the Qun. No way was I going to let him throw away his pride and joy merc company for an alliance with the Qunari. Those fascists can keep their dreadnoughts, minus the one I let get blown up.
He obviously didn't want to do what the elf said was needed and looked at me and I told him to pull them back.
I think you're misreading that situation
bull doesn't have a side, he looks at you because he does not know what to do
with that said though
fuck the qun, there's no way the chargers are getting left behind
How many good lives are on that Dreadnought man? How many people are you sacrificing to save a handful of chargers?
okay but consider the following: I don't value qunari lives over charger lives
I mean, on a 1-to-1 basis, I agree, but that is a big ship. How many Qunari lives is a single charger's life worth?
The Qun and the Inquisition are both, on some level, about the giving over of oneself to a bigger whole. Saving the chargers preserves something personal, and important, and valuable, but at a gigantic cost to something way, way more important for EVERYONE. Bull is intimately familiar with the idea of self-sacrifice for a greater perceived good.
I had the impression from him during the game that he really, truly believes in the Qun, and during that scene that he needed me to make that hard choice for him. As important as the chargers were to him, the Qun is fundamental to his identity. I honestly think if we made the other call and Bull became Tal-Vashoth, or if the choice hurt the Inquisition's efforts, the guilt would wrack Bull forever. I guess there's no option that lets him off guilt-free ;_;
I just realized that in that last sentence I referred to myself and a fictional character as "we", without really thinking about it. This might be a good video game.
He's actually totally ok with it
Even if so, it doesn't affect the perceptions I had at the time that led to my choice. I'm comfortable with it. I made the choice that I thought was right for the character I came to know, and the story context that we were in.
To elaborate a little
He is not happy he is Tal-Vashoth, but specifically says that even though he misses having the Qun to live by, the decision made was the correct one and that he would not change it.
I took his side in Demands of the Qun. No way was I going to let him throw away his pride and joy merc company for an alliance with the Qunari. Those fascists can keep their dreadnoughts, minus the one I let get blown up.
He obviously didn't want to do what the elf said was needed and looked at me and I told him to pull them back.
I think you're misreading that situation
bull doesn't have a side, he looks at you because he does not know what to do
with that said though
fuck the qun, there's no way the chargers are getting left behind
How many good lives are on that Dreadnought man? How many people are you sacrificing to save a handful of chargers?
okay but consider the following: I don't value qunari lives over charger lives
I mean, on a 1-to-1 basis, I agree, but that is a big ship. How many Qunari lives is a single charger's life worth?
The Qun and the Inquisition are both, on some level, about the giving over of oneself to a bigger whole. Saving the chargers preserves something personal, and important, and valuable, but at a gigantic cost to something way, way more important for EVERYONE. Bull is intimately familiar with the idea of self-sacrifice for a greater perceived good.
I had the impression from him during the game that he really, truly believes in the Qun, and during that scene that he needed me to make that hard choice for him. As important as the chargers were to him, the Qun is fundamental to his identity. I honestly think if we made the other call and Bull became Tal-Vashoth, or if the choice hurt the Inquisition's efforts, the guilt would wrack Bull forever. I guess there's no option that lets him off guilt-free ;_;
I just realized that in that last sentence I referred to myself and a fictional character as "we", without really thinking about it. This might be a good video game.
He's actually totally ok with it
Even if so, it doesn't affect the perceptions I had at the time that led to my choice. I'm comfortable with it. I made the choice that I thought was right for the character I came to know, and the story context that we were in.
To elaborate a little
He is not happy he is Tal-Vashoth, but specifically says that even though he misses having the Qun to live by, the decision made was the correct one and that he would not change it.
He said a lot of similar stuff to me, despite having chosen the opposite option. I think the game sort of knows that choice is agonizing and tries to compensate to make you feel like less of an asshole regardless of what you do.
I took his side in Demands of the Qun. No way was I going to let him throw away his pride and joy merc company for an alliance with the Qunari. Those fascists can keep their dreadnoughts, minus the one I let get blown up.
He obviously didn't want to do what the elf said was needed and looked at me and I told him to pull them back.
I think you're misreading that situation
bull doesn't have a side, he looks at you because he does not know what to do
with that said though
fuck the qun, there's no way the chargers are getting left behind
How many good lives are on that Dreadnought man? How many people are you sacrificing to save a handful of chargers?
okay but consider the following: I don't value qunari lives over charger lives
I mean, on a 1-to-1 basis, I agree, but that is a big ship. How many Qunari lives is a single charger's life worth?
The Qun and the Inquisition are both, on some level, about the giving over of oneself to a bigger whole. Saving the chargers preserves something personal, and important, and valuable, but at a gigantic cost to something way, way more important for EVERYONE. Bull is intimately familiar with the idea of self-sacrifice for a greater perceived good.
I had the impression from him during the game that he really, truly believes in the Qun, and during that scene that he needed me to make that hard choice for him. As important as the chargers were to him, the Qun is fundamental to his identity. I honestly think if we made the other call and Bull became Tal-Vashoth, or if the choice hurt the Inquisition's efforts, the guilt would wrack Bull forever. I guess there's no option that lets him off guilt-free ;_;
I just realized that in that last sentence I referred to myself and a fictional character as "we", without really thinking about it. This might be a good video game.
He's actually totally ok with it
Even if so, it doesn't affect the perceptions I had at the time that led to my choice. I'm comfortable with it. I made the choice that I thought was right for the character I came to know, and the story context that we were in.
To elaborate a little
He is not happy he is Tal-Vashoth, but specifically says that even though he misses having the Qun to live by, the decision made was the correct one and that he would not change it.
He said a lot of similar stuff to me, despite having chosen the opposite option. I think the game sort of knows that choice is agonizing and tries to compensate to make you feel like less of an asshole regardless of what you do.
Yeah I just watched both endings
I still think that going tal-vashoth is the right call for him as a character based on his reactions. When you save the chargers, he is upset but immediately sees krem and smiles. When you go with the qun, he says it was the right call and is immediately shown punching a tree with an agonized look on his face
But you're right that they knew it was a tough call
I've fought three dragons now
Every time Bull goes down first like Kurt Russell at the start of the big fight in Big Trouble in Little China
Dorian lasts a little longer but usually it'll come down to me and Cass just beating that thing to death
can someone explain how the MP in this game works? haven't tried it yet but I kind of want to.
it's like the ME3 multiplayer, there's a bunch of different classes, you play as a team of 4 going through a procedural dungeon featuring one of 3 enemy types. There are a few different objectives along the way culminating in a boss battle.
You get gold to buy chests with better gear in them and you level up your dudes along the way.
question, spoilers of iron bull stuff, but plsssss dont spoil me:
I need to get a lovely dragon tooth for our lovely necklace of bonding love business... Is there a convenient time for this to happen or should I just go find a dragon somewhere and kill it?? im level 13 right now, just entered the ballroom quest so I have time still...
At level 13 you could probably take on the Northern Hunter in Crestwood, if your gear is good enough.
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To elaborate a little
He said a lot of similar stuff to me, despite having chosen the opposite option. I think the game sort of knows that choice is agonizing and tries to compensate to make you feel like less of an asshole regardless of what you do.
Yeah I just watched both endings
But you're right that they knew it was a tough call
Every time Bull goes down first like Kurt Russell at the start of the big fight in Big Trouble in Little China
Dorian lasts a little longer but usually it'll come down to me and Cass just beating that thing to death
Hit me up because I am starting a support group.
It's ME3 multiplayer except you move through a level instead of just waves of enemies
it's like the ME3 multiplayer, there's a bunch of different classes, you play as a team of 4 going through a procedural dungeon featuring one of 3 enemy types. There are a few different objectives along the way culminating in a boss battle.
You get gold to buy chests with better gear in them and you level up your dudes along the way.
also i never bought ME3, so that analogy really doesn't do any good.
thanks!!