Would the bodyslide count as "exiting the boundries" of the fight?
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited October 2006
He can teleport without bodysliding.
Constantine and Spider-man fight, spider-man comes out on top because A: he has better reflexes B: he can't be mindfucked with the symbiote and C: he hits like a truck.
Deadpool runs after rogue, with his mask up trying to smooch her. This occurs for quite sometime. Spidey makes a few one liners, Deadpool makes a few one liners.
They kiss, Rogue gets a mindfuck, deadpool is weak, but tries to fight Spidey.
Quips are exchanged, Spider-man underoos, Deadpool takes a civvie hostage from Metro. Gets the big DQ.
Spidey and Rogue move on.
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I would contest your mindfuck resistance thing by saying That John Constantine has done weirder things than that.
Besides, has it ever been stated that the symbiote makes him resistant to telepathy? What about hypnosis?
And John Constantine would never in a trillion years decide to take on Spidey by himself.
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WearingglassesOf the friendly neighborhood varietyRegistered Userregular
edited October 2006
How strong is John Constantine's hypnotic and magical powers? If he can do so from afar, I can see him try and mind-control the strongest one here, Rogue. But going from what Wikipedia's saying, John can only do ritualistic magic, meaning, chances are he's not gonna be able to use it in the middle of the match.
I suppose if DC characters were here, Constantine would have more psychological ammo to use, but the others are all Marvel folks.
At the very least, Spidey and Rogue would be the only ones declaring a sort-of truce, since they both know that two would advance, and Deadpool's a bad guy (to their eyes, at least), and the fourth guy's someone they know nothing about. They won't fight each other. Deadpool could strike out at any of them:
- Constantine, because he's some schmuck he doesn't know,
- Rogue or Spidey, because Deadpool may have a beef with either one.
Can Deadpool reliably track Constantine? Or, can Constantine stay away from any of them consistently?
How strong is John Constantine's hypnotic and magical powers? If he can do so from afar, I can see him try and mind-control the strongest one here, Rogue. But going from what Wikipedia's saying, John can only do ritualistic magic, meaning, chances are he's not gonna be able to use it in the middle of the match.
I suppose if DC characters were here, Constantine would have more psychological ammo to use, but the others are all Marvel folks.
At the very least, Spidey and Rogue would be the only ones declaring a sort-of truce, since they both know that two would advance, and Deadpool's a bad guy (to their eyes, at least), and the fourth guy's someone they know nothing about. They won't fight each other. Deadpool could strike out at any of them:
- Constantine, because he's some schmuck he doesn't know,
- Rogue or Spidey, because Deadpool may have a beef with either one.
Can Deadpool reliably track Constantine? Or, can Constantine stay away from any of them consistently?
This Spider-Man (several years younger than the current one) doesn't know Deadpool at all. In fact, this Spider-Man probably views Rogue as the worst of the bunch because, from his perspective, she was recently a villain and the one who rendered Ms. Marvel, an Avenger, powerless.
And I'm pretty sure Spider-Man isn't resistant to hypnosis, even with the symbiote. Hypnosis doesn't require you to go into someone's mind, but rather to lull them into a trance and play with their senses.
As long as the symbiote doesn't block out Peter's sense of sight and hearing, it should work.
Mind control, on the other hand, could possible not work given the link between two minds. That's a big IF, though, since nobody has ever shown you can't mind control a symbiote wearer.
And I thought it was common knowledge that the host feels the symbiote's pain.
I think that is only true once the host and symbiote are bonded. Spider-Man never completely bonded with it the way Brock did, he was much more in tune with its feeling and what hurt it.
And I thought it was common knowledge that the host feels the symbiote's pain.
I think that is only true once the host and symbiote are bonded. Spider-Man never completely bonded with it the way Brock did, he was much more in tune with its feeling and what hurt it.
I could be wrong though.
It depends on whether or not Spider-Man felt pain during the bell tower scene when he lost the suit forever, I guess.
The suit did take him out web-slinging without his consent, though, and that implies that there was enough of a connection for the symbiote to supercede control of Peter's entire body.
Anyway, I wish people would stop justifying Spider-Man wins simply by listing his powers and stating his experience (which he's missing years of), just as they did when he was fighting Animal Man.
The clanging of the church bells and Spider-Man's rejection of the symbiote, weaken both the alien and Spider-Man. The Symbiote, using its remaining strength, carries an unconscious Spider-Man to safety from the bells before it slithers away.
There, church bells helped render Spider-Man unconscious when he was connected to the symbiote. There's no reason he should be beating Deadpool.
The clanging of the church bells and Spider-Man's rejection of the symbiote, weaken both the alien and Spider-Man. The Symbiote, using its remaining strength, carries an unconscious Spider-Man to safety from the bells before it slithers away.
There, church bells helped render Spider-Man unconscious when he was connected to the symbiote. There's no reason he should be beating Deadpool.
Except that even without the boost in powers he gets from the suit Spider-Man could still beat Deadpool. Spidey is too fast, smart, and strong to be beaten by him.
The clanging of the church bells and Spider-Man's rejection of the symbiote, weaken both the alien and Spider-Man. The Symbiote, using its remaining strength, carries an unconscious Spider-Man to safety from the bells before it slithers away.
There, church bells helped render Spider-Man unconscious when he was connected to the symbiote. There's no reason he should be beating Deadpool.
Except that even without the boost in powers he gets from the suit Spider-Man could still beat Deadpool. Spidey is too fast, smart, and strong to be beaten by him.
But it's not like he loses the suit and is then just naked Spider-Man. If the suit takes damage, then he takes damage. If the suit gets hit by a sonic weapon or is lit aflame repeatedly, Spider-Man gets knocked unconscious. Meanwhile, there's FIRE EVERYWHERE because of Rogue and Deadpool has probably brought along sonic weapons in addition to incendiary grenades.
The whole "Spider-Man's powers aren't in his suit" defense just doesn't work because there's no way he can lose the costume without losing the match in the process.
And I'm not so sure that Constantine wanting to hypnotize Spider-Man would set off his Spider-Sense as it's not really a direct threat to his safety. I can see John presenting himself as a non-threat and convincing Spider-Man to talk for a second, giving him enough of a opportunity to hypnotize Spidey and earn third place. Spider-Man doesn't have much in the way of mental defenses, after all, as evidenced in the past.
The clanging of the church bells and Spider-Man's rejection of the symbiote, weaken both the alien and Spider-Man. The Symbiote, using its remaining strength, carries an unconscious Spider-Man to safety from the bells before it slithers away.
There, church bells helped render Spider-Man unconscious when he was connected to the symbiote. There's no reason he should be beating Deadpool.
Except that even without the boost in powers he gets from the suit Spider-Man could still beat Deadpool. Spidey is too fast, smart, and strong to be beaten by him.
But it's not like he loses the suit and is then just naked Spider-Man. If the suit takes damage, then he takes damage. If the suit gets hit by a sonic weapon or is lit aflame repeatedly, Spider-Man gets knocked unconscious.
The whole "Spider-Man's powers aren't in his suit" defense just doesn't work because there's no way he can lose the costume without losing the match in the process.
Why would Spider-Man be knocked out if the suit is harmed by sonics or fire? They are not bonded as extensively as Brock and the symbiote were, to the point that they considered themselves one person or "we".
Ill give it to you that if attacked by fire or sonics it would hurt the suit and Pete, but the suit would be hurt more than Spider-Man would be. Hurting the symbiote is not an instakill for Spider-Man too.
Why would Spider-Man be knocked out if the suit is harmed by sonics or fire? They are not bonded as extensively as Brock and the symbiote were, to the point that they considered themselves one person or "we".
Ill give it to you that if attacked by fire or sonics it would hurt the suit and Pete, but the suit would be hurt more than Spider-Man would be. Hurting the symbiote is not an instakill for Spider-Man too.
It says right there in wikipedia that the banging of the bell tower contributed to Spider-Man losing consciousness in the final issue in which he wears the symbiote. Even though they weren't bonded to the point where they referred to themselves as WE, they clearly shared feelings and sensations and had enough of a mental connection for Spider-Man to control the suit with his thoughts. How else could he command it to transform into street clothes, if he didn't share a mental connection with it?
And the suit itself doesn't lose consciousness, but instead drags Spider-Man to safety. Either Spider-Man receives more of the pain or the suit is more resilient to pain than Spider-Man is. Either way, Spider-Man's the one who goes down first between himself and his own costume.
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WearingglassesOf the friendly neighborhood varietyRegistered Userregular
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Would you consider it a violation of the rules if Spidey decides to start the match with only his webshooters and his boxers, though? I'm considering changing my vote.
You all know that Rogue doesn't have Ms. Marvel's powers, right?
even without them, she's still something of a powerhouse.
She only has fire, flying and power absorption through contact.
Fire won't work on Deadpool since he can heal through it. If she touches him she'll go crazy. That leaves her pretty much nothing against him.
I don't think touching the symbiote will do anything really. I'm not sure how that works. But she won't be able to get skin to skin contact with Peter himself. Luckily the fire still works on him if she shoots it right.
You all know that Rogue doesn't have Ms. Marvel's powers, right?
even without them, she's still something of a powerhouse.
She only has fire, flying and power absorption through contact.
Fire won't work on Deadpool since he can heal through it. If she touches him she'll go crazy. That leaves her pretty much nothing against him.
I don't think touching the symbiote will do anything really. I'm not sure how that works. But she won't be able to get skin to skin contact with Peter himself. Luckily the fire still works on him if she shoots it right.
Touching the symbiote would fuck her up, either mentally, our the symbiote would smack her around.
And Peter as Spider-sense! He can dodge the plasma blasts.
But the plasma blasts will set things on fire, and the constantly increasing flames around him will weaken the symbiote.
She can fry Deadpool pretty thoroughly, leavig him incapacitated while he heals.
You all know that Rogue doesn't have Ms. Marvel's powers, right?
even without them, she's still something of a powerhouse.
She only has fire, flying and power absorption through contact.
Fire won't work on Deadpool since he can heal through it. If she touches him she'll go crazy. That leaves her pretty much nothing against him.
I don't think touching the symbiote will do anything really. I'm not sure how that works. But she won't be able to get skin to skin contact with Peter himself. Luckily the fire still works on him if she shoots it right.
Touching the symbiote would fuck her up, either mentally, our the symbiote would smack her around.
And Peter as Spider-sense! He can dodge the plasma blasts.
Yeah that's why I said shooting them right. IE set a nice fire pattern that he cannot escape. I know this would be hard seeing as how he can just sling away but once he's slinging around he sacrifices some dodging ability so it would be easier to get a direct hit with fire.
Would you consider it a violation of the rules if Spidey decides to start the match with only his webshooters and his boxers, though? I'm considering changing my vote.
I'd personally consider it a cop out, but it's probably up to Beyonder.
Why was this incarnation of Spider-Man chosen? It's not as if the current Spider-Man is overpowered compared to some other heroes in this tournament. Was it simply to give Spidey fanbois an excuse to save face while admitting that, yes, Spider-Man really can't beat Wonder Woman (the humiliation! She has boobs and everything!) publicly, while privately claiming that it was only because an old and outdated version of Spidey was used that he lost?
Why was this incarnation of Spider-Man chosen? It's not as if the current Spider-Man is overpowered compared to some other heroes in this tournament. Was it simply to give Spidey fanbois an excuse to save face while admitting that, yes, Spider-Man really can't beat Wonder Woman (the humiliation! She has boobs and everything!) publicly, while privately claiming that it was only because an old and outdated version of Spidey was used that he lost?
Because Shoe liked that one best, and nominated him specifically.
You all know that Rogue doesn't have Ms. Marvel's powers, right?
even without them, she's still something of a powerhouse.
How? Half her powers don't work on the strongest contestants.
Rogue's powers affect everyone, not just mutants. She can still KO them even if she doesn't steal their powers.
What is she ko-ing them with though?
her absorption powers....
Rogue's been shown, especially in recent years, as being pretty adept at absorbing from someone without getting disoriented by the consequent personality/memory absorption, except when it was a plot point that her powers were working strangely.
You all know that Rogue doesn't have Ms. Marvel's powers, right?
even without them, she's still something of a powerhouse.
How? Half her powers don't work on the strongest contestants.
Rogue's powers affect everyone, not just mutants. She can still KO them even if she doesn't steal their powers.
What is she ko-ing them with though?
her absorption powers....
Rogue's been shown, especially in recent years, as being pretty adept at absorbing from someone without getting disoriented by the consequent personality/memory absorption, except when it was a plot point that her powers were working strangely.
But that won't work on Spidey so long as he's in the symbiote suit, and I don't think she's had to deal with a mind as fucked up as Deadpool's so I am still thinking touching him would make her go pretty much crazy before she had enough contact to ko him.
In any case, she'd probably be better off lighting her hands on fire and then touching Spider-Man than she would be merely trying to drain the guy straight away.
Deadpool would probably be harder without a weakness, and I'm sure his costume is at least mildly flame retardant given how often things explode around him (or maybe he doesn't bother, with the healing factor). Regardless, she'd have to burn away his costume or otherwise disrobe him if she even wanted to risk touching him.
In any case, she'd probably be better off lighting her hands on fire and then touching Spider-Man than she would be merely trying to drain the guy straight away.
unarguably.
my point was that her absorption powers do still work on non-mutants, just to less benefit for her. Hell, that's part of her origin.
I'm not certain as to the answer of your question, but I'd imagine her powers work on anything organic. Thing is, trees aren't sentient, so I don't think that it'd do much to her.
You all know that Rogue doesn't have Ms. Marvel's powers, right?
even without them, she's still something of a powerhouse.
How? Half her powers don't work on the strongest contestants.
Rogue's powers affect everyone, not just mutants. She can still KO them even if she doesn't steal their powers.
What is she ko-ing them with though?
her absorption powers....
Rogue's been shown, especially in recent years, as being pretty adept at absorbing from someone without getting disoriented by the consequent personality/memory absorption, except when it was a plot point that her powers were working strangely.
But that won't work on Spidey so long as he's in the symbiote suit, and I don't think she's had to deal with a mind as fucked up as Deadpool's so I am still thinking touching him would make her go pretty much crazy before she had enough contact to ko him.
so...she touches deadpool and then immediately flies out of the arena to go find and fuck bea arthur? I don't think that's likely. It will certainly make her act insane for the rest of the fight, but she's not going to pass out or anything. she may start quipping, though. watch out!
so...she touches deadpool and then immediately flies out of the arena to go find and fuck bea arthur? I don't think that's likely. It will certainly make her act insane for the rest of the fight, but she's not going to pass out or anything. she may start quipping, though. watch out!
Deadpool's mind is so messed up that he's immune to psychics, so who knows what would happen. It conceivably could be too much for her. That or, best case scenario, she ends up doing vile things with her body and to Bea Arthur.
The question is, would she take such a risk or just stick to her flame powers?
Ugh, anyone else hate the "Hide a a civvie" strategy? It's just a cop out I understand that for John it would be easy but the point of the tournament is to see who would win in a fight, not who would hide like a civillian the best.
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Ok so if Deadpool used bodyslide by two couldnt he inadvertnly bring Cable into this fight, being hypothetical of course.
Constantine and Spider-man fight, spider-man comes out on top because A: he has better reflexes B: he can't be mindfucked with the symbiote and C: he hits like a truck.
Deadpool runs after rogue, with his mask up trying to smooch her. This occurs for quite sometime. Spidey makes a few one liners, Deadpool makes a few one liners.
They kiss, Rogue gets a mindfuck, deadpool is weak, but tries to fight Spidey.
Quips are exchanged, Spider-man underoos, Deadpool takes a civvie hostage from Metro. Gets the big DQ.
Spidey and Rogue move on.
Besides, has it ever been stated that the symbiote makes him resistant to telepathy? What about hypnosis?
And John Constantine would never in a trillion years decide to take on Spidey by himself.
I suppose if DC characters were here, Constantine would have more psychological ammo to use, but the others are all Marvel folks.
At the very least, Spidey and Rogue would be the only ones declaring a sort-of truce, since they both know that two would advance, and Deadpool's a bad guy (to their eyes, at least), and the fourth guy's someone they know nothing about. They won't fight each other. Deadpool could strike out at any of them:
- Constantine, because he's some schmuck he doesn't know,
- Rogue or Spidey, because Deadpool may have a beef with either one.
Can Deadpool reliably track Constantine? Or, can Constantine stay away from any of them consistently?
This Spider-Man (several years younger than the current one) doesn't know Deadpool at all. In fact, this Spider-Man probably views Rogue as the worst of the bunch because, from his perspective, she was recently a villain and the one who rendered Ms. Marvel, an Avenger, powerless.
As long as the symbiote doesn't block out Peter's sense of sight and hearing, it should work.
Mind control, on the other hand, could possible not work given the link between two minds. That's a big IF, though, since nobody has ever shown you can't mind control a symbiote wearer.
I think that is only true once the host and symbiote are bonded. Spider-Man never completely bonded with it the way Brock did, he was much more in tune with its feeling and what hurt it.
I could be wrong though.
It depends on whether or not Spider-Man felt pain during the bell tower scene when he lost the suit forever, I guess.
The suit did take him out web-slinging without his consent, though, and that implies that there was enough of a connection for the symbiote to supercede control of Peter's entire body.
Anyway, I wish people would stop justifying Spider-Man wins simply by listing his powers and stating his experience (which he's missing years of), just as they did when he was fighting Animal Man.
There, church bells helped render Spider-Man unconscious when he was connected to the symbiote. There's no reason he should be beating Deadpool.
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Except that even without the boost in powers he gets from the suit Spider-Man could still beat Deadpool. Spidey is too fast, smart, and strong to be beaten by him.
But it's not like he loses the suit and is then just naked Spider-Man. If the suit takes damage, then he takes damage. If the suit gets hit by a sonic weapon or is lit aflame repeatedly, Spider-Man gets knocked unconscious. Meanwhile, there's FIRE EVERYWHERE because of Rogue and Deadpool has probably brought along sonic weapons in addition to incendiary grenades.
The whole "Spider-Man's powers aren't in his suit" defense just doesn't work because there's no way he can lose the costume without losing the match in the process.
And I'm not so sure that Constantine wanting to hypnotize Spider-Man would set off his Spider-Sense as it's not really a direct threat to his safety. I can see John presenting himself as a non-threat and convincing Spider-Man to talk for a second, giving him enough of a opportunity to hypnotize Spidey and earn third place. Spider-Man doesn't have much in the way of mental defenses, after all, as evidenced in the past.
Why would Spider-Man be knocked out if the suit is harmed by sonics or fire? They are not bonded as extensively as Brock and the symbiote were, to the point that they considered themselves one person or "we".
Ill give it to you that if attacked by fire or sonics it would hurt the suit and Pete, but the suit would be hurt more than Spider-Man would be. Hurting the symbiote is not an instakill for Spider-Man too.
It says right there in wikipedia that the banging of the bell tower contributed to Spider-Man losing consciousness in the final issue in which he wears the symbiote. Even though they weren't bonded to the point where they referred to themselves as WE, they clearly shared feelings and sensations and had enough of a mental connection for Spider-Man to control the suit with his thoughts. How else could he command it to transform into street clothes, if he didn't share a mental connection with it?
And the suit itself doesn't lose consciousness, but instead drags Spider-Man to safety. Either Spider-Man receives more of the pain or the suit is more resilient to pain than Spider-Man is. Either way, Spider-Man's the one who goes down first between himself and his own costume.
How? Half her powers don't work on the strongest contestants.
Fire won't work on Deadpool since he can heal through it. If she touches him she'll go crazy. That leaves her pretty much nothing against him.
I don't think touching the symbiote will do anything really. I'm not sure how that works. But she won't be able to get skin to skin contact with Peter himself. Luckily the fire still works on him if she shoots it right.
Touching the symbiote would fuck her up, either mentally, our the symbiote would smack her around.
And Peter as Spider-sense! He can dodge the plasma blasts.
What is she ko-ing them with though?
She can fry Deadpool pretty thoroughly, leavig him incapacitated while he heals.
I'd personally consider it a cop out, but it's probably up to Beyonder.
Rogue's been shown, especially in recent years, as being pretty adept at absorbing from someone without getting disoriented by the consequent personality/memory absorption, except when it was a plot point that her powers were working strangely.
In any case, she'd probably be better off lighting her hands on fire and then touching Spider-Man than she would be merely trying to drain the guy straight away.
Deadpool would probably be harder without a weakness, and I'm sure his costume is at least mildly flame retardant given how often things explode around him (or maybe he doesn't bother, with the healing factor). Regardless, she'd have to burn away his costume or otherwise disrobe him if she even wanted to risk touching him.
my point was that her absorption powers do still work on non-mutants, just to less benefit for her. Hell, that's part of her origin.
I'm not certain as to the answer of your question, but I'd imagine her powers work on anything organic. Thing is, trees aren't sentient, so I don't think that it'd do much to her.
Deadpool's mind is so messed up that he's immune to psychics, so who knows what would happen. It conceivably could be too much for her. That or, best case scenario, she ends up doing vile things with her body and to Bea Arthur.
The question is, would she take such a risk or just stick to her flame powers?