Eh, I like that aspect of it. It makes JJs somewhat worthwhile, and there are tons of ramps and divots to climb up if you are ground bound. Whether or not they keep those areas in the CW map remains to be seen.
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NipsHe/HimLuxuriating in existential crisis.Registered Userregular
I love the look of the new map, but strategically it looks like garbage from a sniper/LRMer perspective just owning those canyons long clear firing lanes.
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BRIAN BLESSEDMaybe you aren't SPEAKING LOUDLY ENOUGHHHRegistered Userregular
Well shit, more maps with some actual color would be quite pleasant, indeed.
I love the look of the new map, but strategically it looks like garbage from a sniper/LRMer perspective just owning those canyons long clear firing lanes.
I'm inclined slightly to agree from the preview, but we'll have to wait for the map release to be sure.
While more color is nice, whoever is doing the maps really needs to work on their scale cues. Both this and Veridian Bog make feel like human-scale FPS maps.
While more color is nice, whoever is doing the maps really needs to work on their scale cues. Both this and Veridian Bog make feel like human-scale FPS maps.
As much as I love the designs of the mechs and maps, their scaling is complete hot mess of random garbage.
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I love the look of the new map, but strategically it looks like garbage from a sniper/LRMer perspective just owning those canyons long clear firing lanes.
I'm inclined slightly to agree from the preview, but we'll have to wait for the map release to be sure.
Two levels tall is only 10 meters though. That's about a little over 3 stories tall, which isn't actually all that crazy. Battlemechs are big and stompy, but they're actually not that tall(especially when compared to most mecha).
I love the look of the new map, but strategically it looks like garbage from a sniper/LRMer perspective just owning those canyons long clear firing lanes.
I'm inclined slightly to agree from the preview, but we'll have to wait for the map release to be sure.
Two levels tall is only 10 meters though. That's about a little over 3 stories tall, which isn't actually all that crazy. Battlemechs are big and stompy, but they're actually not that tall(especially when compared to most mecha).
I hate how battlemechs get represented as towering hulks of metal. Huge hulking mechs would be a tad impracticle.
I love the look of the new map, but strategically it looks like garbage from a sniper/LRMer perspective just owning those canyons long clear firing lanes.
I'm inclined slightly to agree from the preview, but we'll have to wait for the map release to be sure.
Two levels tall is only 10 meters though. That's about a little over 3 stories tall, which isn't actually all that crazy. Battlemechs are big and stompy, but they're actually not that tall(especially when compared to most mecha).
Ever since Mechwarrior 3 none of the designers have been able to resist making 'Mechs like four or five stories tall instead of the canonical 2. Tiny, tiny little cars and tanks because stomp stomp stomp.
I love the look of the new map, but strategically it looks like garbage from a sniper/LRMer perspective just owning those canyons long clear firing lanes.
I'm inclined slightly to agree from the preview, but we'll have to wait for the map release to be sure.
Two levels tall is only 10 meters though. That's about a little over 3 stories tall, which isn't actually all that crazy. Battlemechs are big and stompy, but they're actually not that tall(especially when compared to most mecha).
Ever since Mechwarrior 3 none of the designers have been able to resist making 'Mechs like four or five stories tall instead of the canonical 2. Tiny, tiny little cars and tanks because stomp stomp stomp.
I love the look of the new map, but strategically it looks like garbage from a sniper/LRMer perspective just owning those canyons long clear firing lanes.
I'm inclined slightly to agree from the preview, but we'll have to wait for the map release to be sure.
Two levels tall is only 10 meters though. That's about a little over 3 stories tall, which isn't actually all that crazy. Battlemechs are big and stompy, but they're actually not that tall(especially when compared to most mecha).
Ever since Mechwarrior 3 none of the designers have been able to resist making 'Mechs like four or five stories tall instead of the canonical 2. Tiny, tiny little cars and tanks because stomp stomp stomp.
Yet at the same time... 15 story high trees.
Ya. But still, 30 story trees are a thing in the real world.
It is really that hard to paint a height map and lay down some grass? Back in my day, we had to use level editors written by someone who had reverse engineered the game. Each vertex had to be moved by hand, uphill, both ways!
I love the look of the new map, but strategically it looks like garbage from a sniper/LRMer perspective just owning those canyons long clear firing lanes.
I'm inclined slightly to agree from the preview, but we'll have to wait for the map release to be sure.
Two levels tall is only 10 meters though. That's about a little over 3 stories tall, which isn't actually all that crazy. Battlemechs are big and stompy, but they're actually not that tall(especially when compared to most mecha).
Ever since Mechwarrior 3 none of the designers have been able to resist making 'Mechs like four or five stories tall instead of the canonical 2. Tiny, tiny little cars and tanks because stomp stomp stomp.
Yet at the same time... 15 story high trees.
Ya. But still, 30 story trees are a thing in the real world.
And in MWO, they're a thing on every world, everywhere.
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ApogeeLancks In Every Game EverRegistered Userregular
I love the look of the new map, but strategically it looks like garbage from a sniper/LRMer perspective just owning those canyons long clear firing lanes.
I'm inclined slightly to agree from the preview, but we'll have to wait for the map release to be sure.
Two levels tall is only 10 meters though. That's about a little over 3 stories tall, which isn't actually all that crazy. Battlemechs are big and stompy, but they're actually not that tall(especially when compared to most mecha).
Ever since Mechwarrior 3 none of the designers have been able to resist making 'Mechs like four or five stories tall instead of the canonical 2. Tiny, tiny little cars and tanks because stomp stomp stomp.
Yet at the same time... 15 story high trees.
Ya. But still, 30 story trees are a thing in the real world.
And in MWO, they're a thing on every world, everywhere.
Only worlds with gigantic foliage are worth fighting over, duh.
I love the look of the new map, but strategically it looks like garbage from a sniper/LRMer perspective just owning those canyons long clear firing lanes.
I'm inclined slightly to agree from the preview, but we'll have to wait for the map release to be sure.
Two levels tall is only 10 meters though. That's about a little over 3 stories tall, which isn't actually all that crazy. Battlemechs are big and stompy, but they're actually not that tall(especially when compared to most mecha).
Ever since Mechwarrior 3 none of the designers have been able to resist making 'Mechs like four or five stories tall instead of the canonical 2. Tiny, tiny little cars and tanks because stomp stomp stomp.
Yet at the same time... 15 story high trees.
Ya. But still, 30 story trees are a thing in the real world.
And in MWO, they're a thing on every world, everywhere.
Only worlds with gigantic foliage are worth fighting over, duh.
Bonus points if they were also at least at one point home to crustaceans the size of city blocks.
It's questionable how many of the habitable planets in the BattleTech universe were terraformed and how many were just worlds that happened to already be habitable. Terraforming technology existed during the Star League era but there aren't really solid sources on how much it was used or had to be used. It was basically lost after the fall of the Star League, anyway.
I love the look of the new map, but strategically it looks like garbage from a sniper/LRMer perspective just owning those canyons long clear firing lanes.
I'm inclined slightly to agree from the preview, but we'll have to wait for the map release to be sure.
Two levels tall is only 10 meters though. That's about a little over 3 stories tall, which isn't actually all that crazy. Battlemechs are big and stompy, but they're actually not that tall(especially when compared to most mecha).
Ever since Mechwarrior 3 none of the designers have been able to resist making 'Mechs like four or five stories tall instead of the canonical 2. Tiny, tiny little cars and tanks because stomp stomp stomp.
Yet at the same time... 15 story high trees.
Ya. But still, 30 story trees are a thing in the real world.
And in MWO, they're a thing on every world, everywhere.
Only worlds with gigantic foliage are worth fighting over, duh.
Bonus points if they were also at least at one point home to crustaceans the size of city blocks.
I like to imagine that Bog was the battlefield that inspired the invention of the King Crab. Only once it had been battle-tested against giant bugs was it allowed offworld to dominate the galaxy. The fallen husks of its first chitinous kills serve as monuments warning all lesser, squishy foes that would stand against it in battle.
I love the look of the new map, but strategically it looks like garbage from a sniper/LRMer perspective just owning those canyons long clear firing lanes.
I'm inclined slightly to agree from the preview, but we'll have to wait for the map release to be sure.
Two levels tall is only 10 meters though. That's about a little over 3 stories tall, which isn't actually all that crazy. Battlemechs are big and stompy, but they're actually not that tall(especially when compared to most mecha).
Ever since Mechwarrior 3 none of the designers have been able to resist making 'Mechs like four or five stories tall instead of the canonical 2. Tiny, tiny little cars and tanks because stomp stomp stomp.
Yet at the same time... 15 story high trees.
Ya. But still, 30 story trees are a thing in the real world.
They are, but if you look at pictures of them, they don't look like a regular tree scaled up. The leaves don't become 'Mech-scale, the branches don't always fan out proportionally as far as a scaled up tree's would, etc...
it irritates me on an irrational level that people are more concerned over the practicality of large growth flora than they are the practicality of giant walking bipedal robots vs just using tanks mounting the same weaponry.
it irritates me on an irrational level that people are more concerned over the practicality of large growth flora than they are the practicality of giant walking bipedal robots vs just using tanks mounting the same weaponry.
One irrationality takes away from the enjoyment of the other.
I love the look of the new map, but strategically it looks like garbage from a sniper/LRMer perspective just owning those canyons long clear firing lanes.
I'm inclined slightly to agree from the preview, but we'll have to wait for the map release to be sure.
Two levels tall is only 10 meters though. That's about a little over 3 stories tall, which isn't actually all that crazy. Battlemechs are big and stompy, but they're actually not that tall(especially when compared to most mecha).
Ever since Mechwarrior 3 none of the designers have been able to resist making 'Mechs like four or five stories tall instead of the canonical 2. Tiny, tiny little cars and tanks because stomp stomp stomp.
Yet at the same time... 15 story high trees.
Ya. But still, 30 story trees are a thing in the real world.
They are, but if you look at pictures of them, they don't look like a regular tree scaled up. The leaves don't become 'Mech-scale, the branches don't always fan out proportionally as far as a scaled up tree's would, etc...
To be honest I don't even see the problems people are having with the trees in the new video. They don't look noticeably scaled up to me; they look about the size of a large "normal" tree, not a towering conifer like a redwood.
Like this one, I guess?
And that's maybe five or six stories tall. Eh.
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NipsHe/HimLuxuriating in existential crisis.Registered Userregular
it irritates me on an irrational level that people are more concerned over the practicality of large growth flora than they are the practicality of giant walking bipedal robots vs just using tanks mounting the same weaponry.
Battletech tanks are bad. You...don't want to be a tank crew in this universe.
it irritates me on an irrational level that people are more concerned over the practicality of large growth flora than they are the practicality of giant walking bipedal robots vs just using tanks mounting the same weaponry.
Battletech tanks are bad. You...don't want to be a tank crew in this universe.
Well that's not giving the total picture. There are some mean-ass BT tanks with firepower to rival any 'mech of the same era and weight, and in tabletop the lower BV of vehicles makes overwhelming a 'mech force with lots of tanks a viable strategy. But it's true that they're incredibly fragile compared to 'mechs. I don't remember the actual TT rules off the top of my head but it's something like, any hit the vehicle takes at all there is a chance the entire crew dies.
it irritates me on an irrational level that people are more concerned over the practicality of large growth flora than they are the practicality of giant walking bipedal robots vs just using tanks mounting the same weaponry.
Battletech tanks are bad. You...don't want to be a tank crew in this universe.
Well that's not giving the total picture. There are some mean-ass BT tanks with firepower to rival any 'mech of the same era and weight, and in tabletop the lower BV of vehicles makes overwhelming a 'mech force with lots of tanks a viable strategy. But it's true that they're incredibly fragile compared to 'mechs. I don't remember the actual TT rules off the top of my head but it's something like, any hit the vehicle takes at all there is a chance the entire crew dies.
Yup. God forbid your vehicle takes a broadside hit (which is incredibly easy) from anything. Even if the shot doesn't penetrate, there's just a straight-up chance (small, sure, but it's there) that either your crew is killed, your power plant is hit (and your crew dies in the explosion), etcetera etcetera. If you're lucky, such a hit just busts your motive system, and you lose some speed.
BT vehicles are like the biggest glass cannons you can field.
Eh, I like that aspect of it. It makes JJs somewhat worthwhile, and there are tons of ramps and divots to climb up if you are ground bound. Whether or not they keep those areas in the CW map remains to be seen.
I think the normal canyon maps swings too hard in the direction of JJs, where having them is a huge benefit and not having any is a huge detriment - especially given that you don't know what map you'll be on before you start off.
I mean, consider being in an assault on the ... bottom-left-side start, IIRC. There's basically nowhere you can go that isn't a 5-minute walk to get up onto the ridges, and heaven forbid you need to get down off of them for any reason, because at that point you won't be getting back up for the entire rest of the match.
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How is mute not a solution? Are they going to somehow go through the mute to verbally lambaste you?
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I don't really see how that works as an argument against VOIP, though.
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In BattleTech, all tree's from Terraforming are Giant Redwoods.
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I'm inclined slightly to agree from the preview, but we'll have to wait for the map release to be sure.
Correct. Per canon, all forests are two levels tall, roughly as tall as a BattleMech. Hooray, standardization!
Also, it's not unprecedented for some trees to be effing huge.
As much as I love the designs of the mechs and maps, their scaling is complete hot mess of random garbage.
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Two levels tall is only 10 meters though. That's about a little over 3 stories tall, which isn't actually all that crazy. Battlemechs are big and stompy, but they're actually not that tall(especially when compared to most mecha).
I hate how battlemechs get represented as towering hulks of metal. Huge hulking mechs would be a tad impracticle.
To fuck up the sense of scale and rob you of the feel of riding a giant robot, of course.
Ever since Mechwarrior 3 none of the designers have been able to resist making 'Mechs like four or five stories tall instead of the canonical 2. Tiny, tiny little cars and tanks because stomp stomp stomp.
Yet at the same time... 15 story high trees.
Ya. But still, 30 story trees are a thing in the real world.
And in MWO, they're a thing on every world, everywhere.
Only worlds with gigantic foliage are worth fighting over, duh.
Bonus points if they were also at least at one point home to crustaceans the size of city blocks.
I like to imagine that Bog was the battlefield that inspired the invention of the King Crab. Only once it had been battle-tested against giant bugs was it allowed offworld to dominate the galaxy. The fallen husks of its first chitinous kills serve as monuments warning all lesser, squishy foes that would stand against it in battle.
They are, but if you look at pictures of them, they don't look like a regular tree scaled up. The leaves don't become 'Mech-scale, the branches don't always fan out proportionally as far as a scaled up tree's would, etc...
If that's not an indication that MWO has improved dramatically I don't know what is. :P
One irrationality takes away from the enjoyment of the other.
To be honest I don't even see the problems people are having with the trees in the new video. They don't look noticeably scaled up to me; they look about the size of a large "normal" tree, not a towering conifer like a redwood.
Like this one, I guess?
And that's maybe five or six stories tall. Eh.
Battletech tanks are bad. You...don't want to be a tank crew in this universe.
Well that's not giving the total picture. There are some mean-ass BT tanks with firepower to rival any 'mech of the same era and weight, and in tabletop the lower BV of vehicles makes overwhelming a 'mech force with lots of tanks a viable strategy. But it's true that they're incredibly fragile compared to 'mechs. I don't remember the actual TT rules off the top of my head but it's something like, any hit the vehicle takes at all there is a chance the entire crew dies.
MWO: Adamski
Yup. God forbid your vehicle takes a broadside hit (which is incredibly easy) from anything. Even if the shot doesn't penetrate, there's just a straight-up chance (small, sure, but it's there) that either your crew is killed, your power plant is hit (and your crew dies in the explosion), etcetera etcetera. If you're lucky, such a hit just busts your motive system, and you lose some speed.
BT vehicles are like the biggest glass cannons you can field.
I think the normal canyon maps swings too hard in the direction of JJs, where having them is a huge benefit and not having any is a huge detriment - especially given that you don't know what map you'll be on before you start off.
I mean, consider being in an assault on the ... bottom-left-side start, IIRC. There's basically nowhere you can go that isn't a 5-minute walk to get up onto the ridges, and heaven forbid you need to get down off of them for any reason, because at that point you won't be getting back up for the entire rest of the match.
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