I mean, the stories are great, but the art is so crappy. Seriously JH Williams, all you do is draw all day. It is your job. How do you not starve to death?
He's only on the first two issues...and crappy art? Are you reading Morrison's Batman?
I mean, the stories are great, but the art is so crappy. Seriously JH Williams, all you do is draw all day. It is your job. How do you not starve to death?
He's only on the first two issues...and crappy art? Are you reading Morrison's Batman?
I mean, the stories are great, but the art is so crappy. Seriously JH Williams, all you do is draw all day. It is your job. How do you not starve to death?
He's only on the first two issues...and crappy art? Are you reading Morrison's Batman?
Who here reads Nightwing and agrees with me that the last 4-6 months of this book have been far less than stellar? I'm ready to drop it in favor of something more interesting, like the new Flash series.
Robin, on the other hand, has been pretty good.
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Sars_BoyRest, You Are The Lightning.Registered Userregular
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JH Williams is supposed to be drawing it, but apparently he can't draw more than one book every 6 months or some shit.
I mean, the stories are great, but the art is so crappy. Seriously JH Williams, all you do is draw all day. It is your job. How do you not starve to death?
He's only on the first two issues...and crappy art? Are you reading Morrison's Batman?
Kramer does Dini's run so he must be confused.
Kramer hate? Bah. Bah I say.
Yeah, that was kind of confusing.
Williams is awesome.
Kramer is not awesome.
I want more JH Williams issues. I wish he drew faster.
Who here reads Nightwing and agrees with me that the last 4-6 months of this book have been far less than stellar? I'm ready to drop it in favor of something more interesting, like the new Flash series.
Robin, on the other hand, has been pretty good.
The last arc made me vomit in terror... no... wait... sadness. But now that Wolfman is on it, it's going to get better.
It is. I promise.
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Who here reads Nightwing and agrees with me that the last 4-6 months of this book have been far less than stellar? I'm ready to drop it in favor of something more interesting, like the new Flash series.
Robin, on the other hand, has been pretty good.
I take it you haven't read the new Flash series then.
Who here reads Nightwing and agrees with me that the last 4-6 months of this book have been far less than stellar? I'm ready to drop it in favor of something more interesting, like the new Flash series.
Robin, on the other hand, has been pretty good.
I take it you haven't read the new Flash series then.
The first issue was real bad, but it has been getting better.
Who here reads Nightwing and agrees with me that the last 4-6 months of this book have been far less than stellar? I'm ready to drop it in favor of something more interesting, like the new Flash series.
Robin, on the other hand, has been pretty good.
I take it you haven't read the new Flash series then.
I'm always willing to give a new book about six months to get its shit together. The first issue was meh, but it has been getting better.
I have my shop pull Nightwing for me, but not the Flash. So when I say switch, I mean telling the shop to stop pulling Nightwing and start pulling the Flash. Both series are on a short leash, but the Flash's stock is rising while Nightwing's is taking a nose-dive.
i only started reading nightwing a year and a half ago, and i have no idea why i still do. every arc i've read through has been pretty terrible. i had a lot of high hopes coming out of infinite crisis, he was actually kinda cool in that, but the first one year later story was terrible. the last issue was ok though, nothing great, but for nightwing it was a huge improvement. i'll give it a few more months i guess.
I mean, the stories are great, but the art is so crappy. Seriously JH Williams, all you do is draw all day. It is your job. How do you not starve to death?
He's only on the first two issues...and crappy art? Are you reading Morrison's Batman?
Kramer does Dini's run so he must be confused.
Kramer hate? Bah. Bah I say.
Yeah, that was kind of confusing.
Williams is awesome.
Kramer is not awesome.
I want more JH Williams issues. I wish he drew faster.
Lay off the K-Man..just..no. To distract you..heres a funny smiley! :rotate:
i only started reading nightwing a year and a half ago, and i have no idea why i still do. every arc i've read through has been pretty terrible. i had a lot of high hopes coming out of infinite crisis, he was actually kinda cool in that, but the first one year later story was terrible. the last issue was ok though, nothing great, but for nightwing it was a huge improvement. i'll give it a few more months i guess.
if you want good Nightwing, read Chuck Dixon's stuff
DKR sure has some crazy shit in it. batman with a gun? crazy shit.
That part really gave me my first shock of the book. It was the first taste of Batman's change in attitude, and such a big one that I had to go back and make sure I was reading it right. "Holy shit, did Batman just shoot that guy?!" You know he really means business this time.
Yes it breaks away from the standard, but it could be viewed as insight into just how far you have to push Batman before he'll break his two most sacred beliefs.
[spoiler:89779118bf]Apparently threatening to blow a toddler's head off is around that line.[/spoiler:89779118bf]
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Yes it breaks away from the standard, but it could be viewed as insight into just how far you have to push Batman before he'll break his two most sacred beliefs.
[spoiler:fe43085cf9]Apparently threatening to blow a toddler's head off is around that line.[/spoiler:fe43085cf9]
I liked the scene for the above reason, and how it shows Bats in a "didn't have time to prepare" situation and has him deal with the situation anyway. But it also sabotages the tension with him and the Joker a bit. His whole freaking career he's been on the edge of killing the Joker and feeling guilty for each person the Joker kills b/c he (batman) didn't stop him by killing him earlier. The thing that's kept him from doing it all these years is his moral convictions - and then he frags some random thug? It doesn't completely destroy the Bats/Joker dynamic, just weakens it a bit. I still really enjoyed the encounter with the Joker later in the book.
Are you guys talking about the scene [spoiler:49b592ba24]Where Bats shoots the C4?[/spoiler:49b592ba24] Thats the only part I remember with a gun, but its been awhile since I read it.
My current view on DKR and Frank Miller is that he is good as long as you don't mind going "I DIDN'T SEE THAT! I DIDN'T SEE THAT! THE COMIC IS STILL GOOD IF I IGNORE THAT FUCKING STUPID THING!" every five pages.
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Miller has earned my eternal hatred for what he did to Superman. The worst part is that everyone else seems to have taken it and run with it.
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I don't wanna kill anybody. I don't like bullies. I don't care where they're from.
Yes it breaks away from the standard, but it could be viewed as insight into just how far you have to push Batman before he'll break his two most sacred beliefs.
[spoiler:624a1dcfd5]Apparently threatening to blow a toddler's head off is around that line.[/spoiler:624a1dcfd5]
I liked the scene for the above reason, and how it shows Bats in a "didn't have time to prepare" situation and has him deal with the situation anyway. But it also sabotages the tension with him and the Joker a bit. His whole freaking career he's been on the edge of killing the Joker and feeling guilty for each person the Joker kills b/c he (batman) didn't stop him by killing him earlier. The thing that's kept him from doing it all these years is his moral convictions - and then he frags some random thug? It doesn't completely destroy the Bats/Joker dynamic, just weakens it a bit. I still really enjoyed the encounter with the Joker later in the book.
He just shoots him in the shoulder, for crying out loud! It's not like he kills the guy.
KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
edited October 2006
I don't think it shows what happens to the guy. Frame of Bats shooting the gun, then picking up the kid, says "I believe you." I just assumed he shot the guy dead.
I didn't mind what he did to the Joker as much was what he did to Selina. Honestly, what the fuck? Make her a madame if you want but don't you taint Catwoman with fat thighs.
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He's only on the first two issues...and crappy art? Are you reading Morrison's Batman?
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Kramer does Dini's run so he must be confused.
Kramer hate? Bah. Bah I say.
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Robin, on the other hand, has been pretty good.
Also, he fucked up his schedule with conflicts.
Williams is awesome.
Kramer is not awesome.
I want more JH Williams issues. I wish he drew faster.
The last arc made me vomit in terror... no... wait... sadness. But now that Wolfman is on it, it's going to get better.
It is. I promise.
I take it you haven't read the new Flash series then.
I'm always willing to give a new book about six months to get its shit together. The first issue was meh, but it has been getting better.
I have my shop pull Nightwing for me, but not the Flash. So when I say switch, I mean telling the shop to stop pulling Nightwing and start pulling the Flash. Both series are on a short leash, but the Flash's stock is rising while Nightwing's is taking a nose-dive.
Lay off the K-Man..just..no. To distract you..heres a funny smiley! :rotate:
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if you want good Nightwing, read Chuck Dixon's stuff
Yay Frank Miller.
Think that one gun in "Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels."[/spoiler:6496b28285]
On second thought, don't read that. Read DKR.
doesn't kill people
doesn't use guns
and then he kills a dude with a gun
Frank wants to lead you into a new world of shit.
I always liked that scene in DKR.
Yes it breaks away from the standard, but it could be viewed as insight into just how far you have to push Batman before he'll break his two most sacred beliefs.
[spoiler:89779118bf]Apparently threatening to blow a toddler's head off is around that line.[/spoiler:89779118bf]
I have to say I throughly enjoyed it, and would recomend it to everyone.
I liked the scene for the above reason, and how it shows Bats in a "didn't have time to prepare" situation and has him deal with the situation anyway. But it also sabotages the tension with him and the Joker a bit. His whole freaking career he's been on the edge of killing the Joker and feeling guilty for each person the Joker kills b/c he (batman) didn't stop him by killing him earlier. The thing that's kept him from doing it all these years is his moral convictions - and then he frags some random thug? It doesn't completely destroy the Bats/Joker dynamic, just weakens it a bit. I still really enjoyed the encounter with the Joker later in the book.
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Miller's "Batman: Year One" is pretty good. I think there are some others but that's the most famous one.
He just shoots him in the shoulder, for crying out loud! It's not like he kills the guy.
Last time, I checked, Superman wasn't a government stooge. Hell, he fights the military at one point in Morrison's JLA.
Now I have to pull open my copy again, but if he's going to risk shooting the hostage taker, you'd think he'd do it right.
Sure, a final spasm may put the hostage at risk, but so does allowing the chance for a conscious choice to pull the trigger.
Also, just getting tagged in the shoulder with a weapon like that seems like it'd still make one hell of a mess out of a person.
I didn't mind what he did to the Joker as much was what he did to Selina. Honestly, what the fuck? Make her a madame if you want but don't you taint Catwoman with fat thighs.