Of course, I pretty much go into immediate eye rolling exhaustion whenever I hear someone decry society for being too "PC"
just like they do when told not to say something
it's exhausting to have to fight for every word out of everyone's mouth, in either direction
I can explain why it's a jerk move to call gay men effeminate. I can point out the long history of them dealing with being called not "real" men and the stereotypes that got attached to emphasize that. I'm not mindlessly saying "Don't say that" I can actually back up my reasoning. I doubt Jerry can do the same for his fear of the pc police.
It sucks that someone somewhere probably did a terrible job of explaining themselves to Jerry. It doesn't change that Jerry insisting on continuing that stereotype is insensitive and turns people off.
Except he can in his first interview when he explicitly states an example of why he thinks the way he does
He continued, "I'll give you an example: My daughter's 14. My wife says to her, 'Well, you know, in the next couple years, I think maybe you’re going to want to be hanging around the city more on the weekends, so you can see boys.' You know what my daughter says? She says, ‘That’s sexist.’"
Seinfeld said college students don't understand racism and sexism. "They just want to use these words: 'That’s racist;' 'That’s sexist;' 'That’s prejudice.' They don’t even know what the f—k they’re talking about.”
He thinks people overreact to things, and then they overreacted about that.
he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Nah. Crassly offensive comedy done well is an art in and of itself. Frankie Boyle is a national treasure, especially because people get positively apoplectic about his jokes, even when they are against powerful figures, and frankly ridiculous.
Also, the entire "punching down" analogy is ridiculous, both because "down" is highly ill-defined, and comparing free speech to physical violence is a dangerous and irresponsible call for censorship. The famous analogy of "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre!" was never actually referring to that, but was referring to those dastardly anti-draft advocates expressing a political opinion via leaflets. If we want to talk about violence, well, comparing speech to things that aren't speech (treason, violence, war against God, whatever) is a slippery slope to causing actual violence, both state sponsored and mob, against people for having the wrong opinions.
he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Yes. I am aware of this. He didn't mention any joke or bit though (before the second interview, which imo he shouldn't have even had to of made), just the prevalent opinion amongst comedians is that college campuses are too PC. He also isn't the first comedian to express this opinion. Chris Rock was lauded for this interview saying the same thing before Christmas
Yeah I can't really disagree with that.
We need to have some real talk about being offensive when it comes to religion.
What do you mean, tho?
I dunno.
Sometimes it feels like the only people involved in the public discourse about the influence of religion in our culture are either the raving bigots or knee-jerk zealots. There doesn't seem to be a lot of middle ground in the dialogue, despite the fact that I think the overwhelming amount of opinions probably lie there. All the media coverage seems to be either of the "Bill Maher calls Muslims pigfucking baby-eaters" or "300 dead in riot over comments regarding the choice of best bookmark to use while reading Koran" variety.
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he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Nah. Crassly offensive comedy done well is an art in and of itself. Frankie Boyle is a national treasure, especially because people get positively apoplectic about his jokes, even when they are against powerful figures, and frankly ridiculous.
Also, the entire "punching down" analogy is ridiculous, both because "down" is highly ill-defined, and comparing free speech to physical violence is a dangerous and irresponsible call for censorship. The famous analogy of "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre!" was never actually referring to that, but was referring to those dastardly anti-draft advocates expressing a political opinion via leaflets. If we want to talk about violence, well, comparing speech to things that aren't speech (treason, violence, war against God, whatever) is a slippery slope to causing actual violence, both state sponsored and mob, against people for having the wrong opinions.
I think Mika was more referring to micers wondering why their abortion joke got more walk outs than usual rather than seasoned professionals like Boyle or Jeselnik.
Also, as someone who performs comedy regularly, the punching down analogy is apt. Like it really doesn't take a genius to figure out why it's there.
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he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Yes. I am aware of this. He didn't mention any joke or bit though (before the second interview, which imo he shouldn't have even had to of made), just the prevalent opinion amongst comedians is that college campuses are too PC. He also isn't the first comedian to express this opinion. Chris Rock was lauded for this interview saying the same thing before Christmas
Yeah I can't really disagree with that.
We need to have some real talk about being offensive when it comes to religion.
What do you mean, tho?
I dunno.
Sometimes it feels like the only people involved in the public discourse about the influence of religion in our culture are either the raving bigots or knee-jerk zealots. There doesn't seem to be a lot of middle ground in the dialogue, despite the fact that I think the overwhelming amount of opinions probably lie there. All the media coverage seems to be either of the "Bill Maher calls Muslims pigfucking baby-eaters" or "300 dead in riot over comments regarding the choice of best bookmark to use while reading Koran" variety.
Of course, I pretty much go into immediate eye rolling exhaustion whenever I hear someone decry society for being too "PC"
just like they do when told not to say something
it's exhausting to have to fight for every word out of everyone's mouth, in either direction
I can explain why it's a jerk move to call gay men effeminate. I can point out the long history of them dealing with being called not "real" men and the stereotypes that got attached to emphasize that. I'm not mindlessly saying "Don't say that" I can actually back up my reasoning. I doubt Jerry can do the same for his fear of the pc police.
It sucks that someone somewhere probably did a terrible job of explaining themselves to Jerry. It doesn't change that Jerry insisting on continuing that stereotype is insensitive and turns people off.
Except he can in his first interview when he explicitly states an example of why he thinks the way he does
He continued, "I'll give you an example: My daughter's 14. My wife says to her, 'Well, you know, in the next couple years, I think maybe you’re going to want to be hanging around the city more on the weekends, so you can see boys.' You know what my daughter says? She says, ‘That’s sexist.’"
Seinfeld said college students don't understand racism and sexism. "They just want to use these words: 'That’s racist;' 'That’s sexist;' 'That’s prejudice.' They don’t even know what the f—k they’re talking about.”
He thinks people overreact to things, and then they overreacted about that.
No, people just think he is an old man yelling at clouds. Oh, and also he made a racist, homophobic joke.
Of course, I pretty much go into immediate eye rolling exhaustion whenever I hear someone decry society for being too "PC"
just like they do when told not to say something
it's exhausting to have to fight for every word out of everyone's mouth, in either direction
I can explain why it's a jerk move to call gay men effeminate. I can point out the long history of them dealing with being called not "real" men and the stereotypes that got attached to emphasize that. I'm not mindlessly saying "Don't say that" I can actually back up my reasoning. I doubt Jerry can do the same for his fear of the pc police.
It sucks that someone somewhere probably did a terrible job of explaining themselves to Jerry. It doesn't change that Jerry insisting on continuing that stereotype is insensitive and turns people off.
Except he can in his first interview when he explicitly states an example of why he thinks the way he does
He continued, "I'll give you an example: My daughter's 14. My wife says to her, 'Well, you know, in the next couple years, I think maybe you’re going to want to be hanging around the city more on the weekends, so you can see boys.' You know what my daughter says? She says, ‘That’s sexist.’"
Seinfeld said college students don't understand racism and sexism. "They just want to use these words: 'That’s racist;' 'That’s sexist;' 'That’s prejudice.' They don’t even know what the f—k they’re talking about.”
He thinks people overreact to things, and then they overreacted about that.
And that is not the instance I am talking about. He mocked people for finding it offensive to assume gay men are effeminate. And in that instance he's pretty much in the wrong.
My lips were basically bleeding and I was frantic for any chapstick or lip balm. When I looked at my choices, I was not too impressed. Some of the lip balm would just make them hurt worse, but none were designed for men. Then the idea for Dude Stick was born.
We're gendering chapstick now?
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
My lips were basically bleeding and I was frantic for any chapstick or lip balm. When I looked at my choices, I was not too impressed. Some of the lip balm would just make them hurt worse, but none were designed for men. Then the idea for Dude Stick was born.
My lips were basically bleeding and I was frantic for any chapstick or lip balm. When I looked at my choices, I was not too impressed. Some of the lip balm would just make them hurt worse, but none were designed for men. Then the idea for Dude Stick was born.
We're gendering chapstick now?
You apparently missed out on the glory that was alpha nail polish.
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Of course, I pretty much go into immediate eye rolling exhaustion whenever I hear someone decry society for being too "PC"
just like they do when told not to say something
it's exhausting to have to fight for every word out of everyone's mouth, in either direction
I can explain why it's a jerk move to call gay men effeminate. I can point out the long history of them dealing with being called not "real" men and the stereotypes that got attached to emphasize that. I'm not mindlessly saying "Don't say that" I can actually back up my reasoning. I doubt Jerry can do the same for his fear of the pc police.
It sucks that someone somewhere probably did a terrible job of explaining themselves to Jerry. It doesn't change that Jerry insisting on continuing that stereotype is insensitive and turns people off.
Except he can in his first interview when he explicitly states an example of why he thinks the way he does
He continued, "I'll give you an example: My daughter's 14. My wife says to her, 'Well, you know, in the next couple years, I think maybe you’re going to want to be hanging around the city more on the weekends, so you can see boys.' You know what my daughter says? She says, ‘That’s sexist.’"
Seinfeld said college students don't understand racism and sexism. "They just want to use these words: 'That’s racist;' 'That’s sexist;' 'That’s prejudice.' They don’t even know what the f—k they’re talking about.”
He thinks people overreact to things, and then they overreacted about that.
Claiming people overreact and then going "see! see! overreacting!" when people react isn't actually proving your case though.
Like it can entirely be the case that people are reacting with the proper degree of reactionness to some dumb shit you said.
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I would go with Da Balm
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Of course, I pretty much go into immediate eye rolling exhaustion whenever I hear someone decry society for being too "PC"
just like they do when told not to say something
it's exhausting to have to fight for every word out of everyone's mouth, in either direction
I can explain why it's a jerk move to call gay men effeminate. I can point out the long history of them dealing with being called not "real" men and the stereotypes that got attached to emphasize that. I'm not mindlessly saying "Don't say that" I can actually back up my reasoning. I doubt Jerry can do the same for his fear of the pc police.
It sucks that someone somewhere probably did a terrible job of explaining themselves to Jerry. It doesn't change that Jerry insisting on continuing that stereotype is insensitive and turns people off.
Except he can in his first interview when he explicitly states an example of why he thinks the way he does
He continued, "I'll give you an example: My daughter's 14. My wife says to her, 'Well, you know, in the next couple years, I think maybe you’re going to want to be hanging around the city more on the weekends, so you can see boys.' You know what my daughter says? She says, ‘That’s sexist.’"
Seinfeld said college students don't understand racism and sexism. "They just want to use these words: 'That’s racist;' 'That’s sexist;' 'That’s prejudice.' They don’t even know what the f—k they’re talking about.”
He thinks people overreact to things, and then they overreacted about that.
No, people just think he is an old man yelling at clouds. Oh, and also he made a racist, homophobic joke.
He was asked his opinion in an interview and he gave a well reasoned answer before there was a public backlash, tho. I would hardly call that yelling at clouds. I'm not talking about the joke, which no one is actually really defending (tho people sure are posting it without the set up to make it seem worse than it was).
he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Nah. Crassly offensive comedy done well is an art in and of itself. Frankie Boyle is a national treasure, especially because people get positively apoplectic about his jokes, even when they are against powerful figures, and frankly ridiculous.
Also, the entire "punching down" analogy is ridiculous, both because "down" is highly ill-defined, and comparing free speech to physical violence is a dangerous and irresponsible call for censorship. The famous analogy of "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre!" was never actually referring to that, but was referring to those dastardly anti-draft advocates expressing a political opinion via leaflets. If we want to talk about violence, well, comparing speech to things that aren't speech (treason, violence, war against God, whatever) is a slippery slope to causing actual violence, both state sponsored and mob, against people for having the wrong opinions.
I think Mika was more referring to micers wondering why their abortion joke got more walk outs than usual rather than seasoned professionals like Boyle or Jeselnik.
Well, bad comedy is bad. "What's the difference between a dump truck full of bowling balls and a dump truck full of dead babies?" is hilarious in middle school, but doesn't age well past its ridiculousness.
Also, as someone who performs comedy regularly, the punching down analogy is apt. Like it really doesn't take a genius to figure out why it's there.
You find that comics with less careful material send a lot of people to the emergency room?
There's a difference between telling jokes that make some people uncomfortable and kicking someone on the ground until they shit blood. Violence is violence. Being put out of your comfort zone is not.
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he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Nah. Crassly offensive comedy done well is an art in and of itself. Frankie Boyle is a national treasure, especially because people get positively apoplectic about his jokes, even when they are against powerful figures, and frankly ridiculous.
Also, the entire "punching down" analogy is ridiculous, both because "down" is highly ill-defined, and comparing free speech to physical violence is a dangerous and irresponsible call for censorship. The famous analogy of "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre!" was never actually referring to that, but was referring to those dastardly anti-draft advocates expressing a political opinion via leaflets. If we want to talk about violence, well, comparing speech to things that aren't speech (treason, violence, war against God, whatever) is a slippery slope to causing actual violence, both state sponsored and mob, against people for having the wrong opinions.
I think Mika was more referring to micers wondering why their abortion joke got more walk outs than usual rather than seasoned professionals like Boyle or Jeselnik.
Well, bad comedy is bad. "What's the difference between a dump truck full of bowling balls and a dump truck full of dead babies?" is hilarious in middle school, but doesn't age well past its ridiculousness.
Also, as someone who performs comedy regularly, the punching down analogy is apt. Like it really doesn't take a genius to figure out why it's there.
You find that comics with less careful material send a lot of people to the emergency room?
There's a difference between telling jokes that make some people uncomfortable and kicking someone on the ground until they shit blood. Violence is violence. Being put out of your comfort zone is not.
nobody is saying it is actually like kicking or punching somebody, goddamn
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Except he can in his first interview when he explicitly states an example of why he thinks the way he does
He thinks people overreact to things, and then they overreacted about that.
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Nah. Crassly offensive comedy done well is an art in and of itself. Frankie Boyle is a national treasure, especially because people get positively apoplectic about his jokes, even when they are against powerful figures, and frankly ridiculous.
Also, the entire "punching down" analogy is ridiculous, both because "down" is highly ill-defined, and comparing free speech to physical violence is a dangerous and irresponsible call for censorship. The famous analogy of "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre!" was never actually referring to that, but was referring to those dastardly anti-draft advocates expressing a political opinion via leaflets. If we want to talk about violence, well, comparing speech to things that aren't speech (treason, violence, war against God, whatever) is a slippery slope to causing actual violence, both state sponsored and mob, against people for having the wrong opinions.
this poor lil' thread is exhausted, guys
Except, you know, making fun of the gays for being effeminate is not good.
it's lazy comedy. a low-hanging fruit, if you will.
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wow.
I'm happy i couldn't post during that part.
God bless having work to do in a job factory for adult people.
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I dunno.
Sometimes it feels like the only people involved in the public discourse about the influence of religion in our culture are either the raving bigots or knee-jerk zealots. There doesn't seem to be a lot of middle ground in the dialogue, despite the fact that I think the overwhelming amount of opinions probably lie there. All the media coverage seems to be either of the "Bill Maher calls Muslims pigfucking baby-eaters" or "300 dead in riot over comments regarding the choice of best bookmark to use while reading Koran" variety.
I have a date tomorrow too at a hipster rap concert I was looking forward to
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I think Mika was more referring to micers wondering why their abortion joke got more walk outs than usual rather than seasoned professionals like Boyle or Jeselnik.
Also, as someone who performs comedy regularly, the punching down analogy is apt. Like it really doesn't take a genius to figure out why it's there.
That's fair.
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No, people just think he is an old man yelling at clouds. Oh, and also he made a racist, homophobic joke.
*wrings hands*
m'lord..
And that is not the instance I am talking about. He mocked people for finding it offensive to assume gay men are effeminate. And in that instance he's pretty much in the wrong.
We're gendering chapstick now?
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I was just following up with Bowen. I didn't mean to start anything.
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Claiming people overreact and then going "see! see! overreacting!" when people react isn't actually proving your case though.
Like it can entirely be the case that people are reacting with the proper degree of reactionness to some dumb shit you said.
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You don't even think the Bronx exists.
He was asked his opinion in an interview and he gave a well reasoned answer before there was a public backlash, tho. I would hardly call that yelling at clouds. I'm not talking about the joke, which no one is actually really defending (tho people sure are posting it without the set up to make it seem worse than it was).
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now i am writing a song (by request) for my good friends wedding where i will also be the best man
i should probably look into taking voice lessons so i don't fuck this up
is that even racist tho
i mean
it's the french
there's like, scores of pages about that in the show thread if you're so inclined
Well, bad comedy is bad. "What's the difference between a dump truck full of bowling balls and a dump truck full of dead babies?" is hilarious in middle school, but doesn't age well past its ridiculousness.
You find that comics with less careful material send a lot of people to the emergency room?
There's a difference between telling jokes that make some people uncomfortable and kicking someone on the ground until they shit blood. Violence is violence. Being put out of your comfort zone is not.
I've got like ten minutes until I can't be spoiled
and then I will maybe go over there and bitch
okay some specifics: a really bad example of the aim for the dude's sword style fighting. Like, real bad.
Fortunately no one has claimed that!
nobody is saying it is actually like kicking or punching somebody, goddamn