he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Nah. Crassly offensive comedy done well is an art in and of itself. Frankie Boyle is a national treasure, especially because people get positively apoplectic about his jokes, even when they are against powerful figures, and frankly ridiculous.
Also, the entire "punching down" analogy is ridiculous, both because "down" is highly ill-defined, and comparing free speech to physical violence is a dangerous and irresponsible call for censorship. The famous analogy of "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre!" was never actually referring to that, but was referring to those dastardly anti-draft advocates expressing a political opinion via leaflets. If we want to talk about violence, well, comparing speech to things that aren't speech (treason, violence, war against God, whatever) is a slippery slope to causing actual violence, both state sponsored and mob, against people for having the wrong opinions.
I think Mika was more referring to micers wondering why their abortion joke got more walk outs than usual rather than seasoned professionals like Boyle or Jeselnik.
Well, bad comedy is bad. "What's the difference between a dump truck full of bowling balls and a dump truck full of dead babies?" is hilarious in middle school, but doesn't age well past its ridiculousness.
Also, as someone who performs comedy regularly, the punching down analogy is apt. Like it really doesn't take a genius to figure out why it's there.
You find that comics with less careful material send a lot of people to the emergency room?
There's a difference between telling jokes that make some people uncomfortable and kicking someone on the ground until they shit blood. Violence is violence. Being put out of your comfort zone is not.
nobody is saying it is actually like kicking or punching somebody, goddamn
Words mean things. If by "punch down," you don't want to draw even the slightest comparison with punching people, don't use the word punch.
For example, you could say, "Telling jokes which reinforce existing social stereotypes can lead to a bit more negative climate for people who are minorities," but that lacks the imagery of people imagining skinheads cornering an immigrant in an alleyway.
are you serious right now? this is such absurd offshoot for the dicussion, to rage against such a common phrase
it's like damn, the english language just ain't gonna be for you if you are going to be this literal
not sure if there is any other language that would suit you either
I'm routinely offended by comics, particularly the great British ones that take the piss out of religion in their especially vicious manner.
Also the chick from Orange is the New Black, who opened her set on Netflix with a racist joke about how black people have really white teeth and a long bit about how she owned an aggressive lesbian.
he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Nah. Crassly offensive comedy done well is an art in and of itself. Frankie Boyle is a national treasure, especially because people get positively apoplectic about his jokes, even when they are against powerful figures, and frankly ridiculous.
Also, the entire "punching down" analogy is ridiculous, both because "down" is highly ill-defined, and comparing free speech to physical violence is a dangerous and irresponsible call for censorship. The famous analogy of "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre!" was never actually referring to that, but was referring to those dastardly anti-draft advocates expressing a political opinion via leaflets. If we want to talk about violence, well, comparing speech to things that aren't speech (treason, violence, war against God, whatever) is a slippery slope to causing actual violence, both state sponsored and mob, against people for having the wrong opinions.
I think Mika was more referring to micers wondering why their abortion joke got more walk outs than usual rather than seasoned professionals like Boyle or Jeselnik.
Well, bad comedy is bad. "What's the difference between a dump truck full of bowling balls and a dump truck full of dead babies?" is hilarious in middle school, but doesn't age well past its ridiculousness.
Also, as someone who performs comedy regularly, the punching down analogy is apt. Like it really doesn't take a genius to figure out why it's there.
You find that comics with less careful material send a lot of people to the emergency room?
There's a difference between telling jokes that make some people uncomfortable and kicking someone on the ground until they shit blood. Violence is violence. Being put out of your comfort zone is not.
nobody is saying it is actually like kicking or punching somebody, goddamn
Words mean things. If by "punch down," you don't want to draw even the slightest comparison with punching people, don't use the word punch.
For example, you could say, "Telling jokes which reinforce existing social stereotypes can lead to a bit more negative climate for people who are minorities," but that lacks the imagery of people imagining skinheads cornering an immigrant in an alleyway.
are you serious right now? this is such absurd offshoot for the dicussion, to rage against such a common phrase
it's like damn, the english language just ain't gonna be for you if you are going to be this literal
not sure if there is any other language that would suit you either
Definitely not Tamarian.
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he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Nah. Crassly offensive comedy done well is an art in and of itself. Frankie Boyle is a national treasure, especially because people get positively apoplectic about his jokes, even when they are against powerful figures, and frankly ridiculous.
Also, the entire "punching down" analogy is ridiculous, both because "down" is highly ill-defined, and comparing free speech to physical violence is a dangerous and irresponsible call for censorship. The famous analogy of "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre!" was never actually referring to that, but was referring to those dastardly anti-draft advocates expressing a political opinion via leaflets. If we want to talk about violence, well, comparing speech to things that aren't speech (treason, violence, war against God, whatever) is a slippery slope to causing actual violence, both state sponsored and mob, against people for having the wrong opinions.
I think Mika was more referring to micers wondering why their abortion joke got more walk outs than usual rather than seasoned professionals like Boyle or Jeselnik.
Well, bad comedy is bad. "What's the difference between a dump truck full of bowling balls and a dump truck full of dead babies?" is hilarious in middle school, but doesn't age well past its ridiculousness.
Also, as someone who performs comedy regularly, the punching down analogy is apt. Like it really doesn't take a genius to figure out why it's there.
You find that comics with less careful material send a lot of people to the emergency room?
There's a difference between telling jokes that make some people uncomfortable and kicking someone on the ground until they shit blood. Violence is violence. Being put out of your comfort zone is not.
nobody is saying it is actually like kicking or punching somebody, goddamn
Words mean things. If by "punch down," you don't want to draw even the slightest comparison with punching people, don't use the word punch.
For example, you could say, "Telling jokes which reinforce existing social stereotypes can lead to a bit more negative climate for people who are minorities," but that lacks the imagery of people imagining skinheads cornering an immigrant in an alleyway.
Am I allowed say I had a "killer" set if I do well tomorrow night? I don't want you imagining Jeffrey Dahmer because my dick jokes went down well and I used a common phrase to describe that.
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VariableMouth CongressStroke Me Lady FameRegistered Userregular
I just don't like people labeling it as 'relying on'. it's the same thing I said earlier, you're narrowing what actually happened and magnifying the bad part. as did some articles that were quoted.
It may seem like a pointless distinction but I don't think it is. He's not going on some rant about a gay guy he knows and how he moves like a girl.
I'm being super specific about a thing that was said, I realize, but reframing what he said, again as the articles did, does no one any service
I'm routinely offended by comics, particularly the great British ones that take the piss out of religion in their especially vicious manner.
Also the chick from Orange is the New Black, who opened her set on Netflix with a racist joke about how black people have really white teeth and a long bit about how she owned an aggressive lesbian.
I've been listening to a lot of Kurt Metzger lately and I love how he does the whole "I'm going to say shit you agree with but in a deliberately offensive manner to make you feel awkward about laughing".
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SummaryJudgmentGrab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front doorRegistered Userregular
Hey, Legend of Grimrock II is $5.99 on GOG right now
Can someone with the Steam version let me know what the most current version number is? The GOG download included an old already-applied patch, apparently
I'm seeing version 2.2.4?
Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
the joke is literally you look flamboyantly gay when you use a cellphone
i mean
I'm sorry its not the 90s anymore Jerry
in the grand scheme of things does this matter? No, probably not. there are more offensive comedians
is the real problem here basically the equivalent of being in a room with your uncle making jokes about the colored people while you awkwardly eat pumpkin pie, and him getting annoyed when someone asks him to cut out the jokes?
he made a comment in an interview about how political correctness, especially in colleges, is killing comedy
people got offended at the idea of someone thinking they're too easily offended, basically
There aren't really any boundaries in comedy, but crassly offensive humor is the crutch of the shitty comic.
Basically, if you don't punch down, you're doing it right.
Nah. Crassly offensive comedy done well is an art in and of itself. Frankie Boyle is a national treasure, especially because people get positively apoplectic about his jokes, even when they are against powerful figures, and frankly ridiculous.
Also, the entire "punching down" analogy is ridiculous, both because "down" is highly ill-defined, and comparing free speech to physical violence is a dangerous and irresponsible call for censorship. The famous analogy of "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre!" was never actually referring to that, but was referring to those dastardly anti-draft advocates expressing a political opinion via leaflets. If we want to talk about violence, well, comparing speech to things that aren't speech (treason, violence, war against God, whatever) is a slippery slope to causing actual violence, both state sponsored and mob, against people for having the wrong opinions.
I think Mika was more referring to micers wondering why their abortion joke got more walk outs than usual rather than seasoned professionals like Boyle or Jeselnik.
Well, bad comedy is bad. "What's the difference between a dump truck full of bowling balls and a dump truck full of dead babies?" is hilarious in middle school, but doesn't age well past its ridiculousness.
Also, as someone who performs comedy regularly, the punching down analogy is apt. Like it really doesn't take a genius to figure out why it's there.
You find that comics with less careful material send a lot of people to the emergency room?
There's a difference between telling jokes that make some people uncomfortable and kicking someone on the ground until they shit blood. Violence is violence. Being put out of your comfort zone is not.
nobody is saying it is actually like kicking or punching somebody, goddamn
Words mean things. If by "punch down," you don't want to draw even the slightest comparison with punching people, don't use the word punch.
For example, you could say, "Telling jokes which reinforce existing social stereotypes can lead to a bit more negative climate for people who are minorities," but that lacks the imagery of people imagining skinheads cornering an immigrant in an alleyway.
I've heard comedians mention it before. Matt Besser, one of the founders of UCB did a whole episode about it on his podcast. I guess the meaning could escape you if you were never exposed to it, but I don't think it's that offensive? Punch could be used figuratively.
If he used like a Jewish mother waving off bad liver or something people would of said nothing about it because Jerry is a Jew.
I don't know the joke wasn't that awful. It wasn't that funny. But considering the conversation before and after it worked.
Comedy is about timing and the timing worked even made me crack a small smile.
I think text readings of stuff like this, unless it was written in text at first, will probably miss a lot of a situation that makes the joke work.
Jerry is white, he can't be an oppressed minority. It screws up the narrative!
O_o
Spool you're doing that thing where you're arguing against something no one else at all has claimed.
Actually, I mentioned it previously. The level of vitriol against Seinfeld for his comments about colleges being too PC is significantly worse than when Chris Rock said the same thing
the opinion seems to be "you can understand why people would be more accepting of a black person saying it, yeah?", which I personally think backs up Jerry's original statement
I wonder if flamboyant gay dudes get grief for hurting the movement or something.
What the fuck man. No, they don't. People who get flak are those who assume gay men are flamboyant. And they should because it's a dumb assumption.
They don't need to be burned at the stake or shunned from society forever. But much like Jerry has the right to tell jokes using the assumption other people can criticize him for it.
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I think the thing is the joke actually has a true point. Even if he phrases the punchline poorly.
And the fact he kind of moans about using it is part of the rant that is his comedic style as well.
But in fact he realizes he can't use and has to change his way of talking but he feels the lines have gotten too small that he is worried no matter what he writes it will go over the same.
I wonder if flamboyant gay dudes get grief for hurting the movement or something.
some people have claimed being too flamboyant at gay pride parades does in fact hurt the movement. can't be too weird if we want acceptance from the heteros!
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are you serious right now? this is such absurd offshoot for the dicussion, to rage against such a common phrase
it's like damn, the english language just ain't gonna be for you if you are going to be this literal
not sure if there is any other language that would suit you either
I don't know the joke wasn't that awful. It wasn't that funny. But considering the conversation before and after it worked.
Comedy is about timing and the timing worked even made me crack a small smile.
I think text readings of stuff like this, unless it was written in text at first, will probably miss a lot of a situation that makes the joke work.
Comedy moves fast.
Most comedy isn't very funny even 5 years later. Seinfeld is pretty good in lasting longer but arguably most of it isn't very funny any more.
I'm assuming MKULTRA probably.
Also the chick from Orange is the New Black, who opened her set on Netflix with a racist joke about how black people have really white teeth and a long bit about how she owned an aggressive lesbian.
Definitely not Tamarian.
Am I allowed say I had a "killer" set if I do well tomorrow night? I don't want you imagining Jeffrey Dahmer because my dick jokes went down well and I used a common phrase to describe that.
NO
NO THERE WERE NO SUCCESSFUL RESULTS FROM THAT DEFUNCT PROGRAM
NONE AT ALL
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It may seem like a pointless distinction but I don't think it is. He's not going on some rant about a gay guy he knows and how he moves like a girl.
I'm being super specific about a thing that was said, I realize, but reframing what he said, again as the articles did, does no one any service
Turn on the Internet hate machine.
And since it is still on my clip board.
The actual clip.
Watch, judge and not depend on third party framing.
I've been listening to a lot of Kurt Metzger lately and I love how he does the whole "I'm going to say shit you agree with but in a deliberately offensive manner to make you feel awkward about laughing".
Can someone with the Steam version let me know what the most current version number is? The GOG download included an old already-applied patch, apparently
I'm seeing version 2.2.4?
I sometimes feel if Monty Python was doing the Spanish Inquisition bit today it would be the Internet Inquisition instead.
i mean
I'm sorry its not the 90s anymore Jerry
in the grand scheme of things does this matter? No, probably not. there are more offensive comedians
is the real problem here basically the equivalent of being in a room with your uncle making jokes about the colored people while you awkwardly eat pumpkin pie, and him getting annoyed when someone asks him to cut out the jokes?
yes
:winky:
I've heard comedians mention it before. Matt Besser, one of the founders of UCB did a whole episode about it on his podcast. I guess the meaning could escape you if you were never exposed to it, but I don't think it's that offensive? Punch could be used figuratively.
I think? I'm not sure about anything anymore.
Just about everyone here has been having a fairly level discussion of it.
I don't know why you're trying to characterize it any differently.
the US and Great Britain were going to weaponize LSD but the mean old UN said "nooo you cant do that"
im like idk wtf is happening jesus christ wat
cant figure out why the rotation isnt changin or nothin
then after too long it hits me
spacebar also rebuilds the maze from scratch
leave the ground and the world is rebuilt be4 ur very eyes
maze-chan...
Jerry is white, he can't be an oppressed minority. It screws up the narrative!
the internet really is silly about comedy
isnt your job writing jokes
cant you like
make new ones, or tailor your material more appropriately
shit i mean I change what is in my lectures depending on my audience, and you guys are getting paid a lot more per hour of talking than i am
O_o
Spool you're doing that thing where you're arguing against something no one else at all has claimed.
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
What does their hair look like?
BUT THEY DONT UNDERSTAND GENETICS
I GUESS I CANT DO OUTREACH ANYMORE
It's a video of people driving around cutting off people's man buns
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
Actually, I mentioned it previously. The level of vitriol against Seinfeld for his comments about colleges being too PC is significantly worse than when Chris Rock said the same thing
the opinion seems to be "you can understand why people would be more accepting of a black person saying it, yeah?", which I personally think backs up Jerry's original statement
i think it is technically assault
but it shouldn't be
What the fuck man. No, they don't. People who get flak are those who assume gay men are flamboyant. And they should because it's a dumb assumption.
They don't need to be burned at the stake or shunned from society forever. But much like Jerry has the right to tell jokes using the assumption other people can criticize him for it.
If comedians don't want to tailor their creative output to a particular audiences taste, I don't see how that is weird or wrong
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
And the fact he kind of moans about using it is part of the rant that is his comedic style as well.
But in fact he realizes he can't use and has to change his way of talking but he feels the lines have gotten too small that he is worried no matter what he writes it will go over the same.
some people have claimed being too flamboyant at gay pride parades does in fact hurt the movement. can't be too weird if we want acceptance from the heteros!
Just a few posts up somebody referred to him as a white guy who might not understand minorities.
Unless I misread?