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The Grand Unified Thread for [Game of Thrones] (Book spoiler guidelines in OP)
ElJeffe
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Once upon a time, there were two threads. One was a thread for discussion of the HBO series Game of Thrones. The other was a thread for the book series A Song of Ice and Fire.
They existed together in a constant state of war, and yea there was much strife and reporting of people who would dare to talk about the books on the show thread and vice versa. And verily was this really goddamn stupid and irritating.
Then one day, the all powerful Mod realized that other subforums managed to make do with a single thread for both those things, and even D&D's own The Walking Dead thread could handle book and show discussion in one thread without collapsing into stupid.
And so it came to be that the two threads were struck down and replaced by the One True Thread, a place where all could exist in harmony, secure in the knowledge that the enemies of good etiquette would be exiled for all time.
Short version: you guys get one thread. Don't be dickholes about it, and it'll work fine. Use spoiler tags to indicate if something has only happened in the show or only in the books, within reason. If someone is being an asshole, report it. Use common sense.
You can do this! Don't get shown up by those dumb fuckers in the Walking Dead thread!
Edit: Also! Helpful guideline regarding book spoilers:
The following book related topics should be in spoiler tags:
BOOK PEOPLE ONLY CLICK THIS SPOILER
They existed together in a constant state of war, and yea there was much strife and reporting of people who would dare to talk about the books on the show thread and vice versa. And verily was this really goddamn stupid and irritating.
Then one day, the all powerful Mod realized that other subforums managed to make do with a single thread for both those things, and even D&D's own The Walking Dead thread could handle book and show discussion in one thread without collapsing into stupid.
And so it came to be that the two threads were struck down and replaced by the One True Thread, a place where all could exist in harmony, secure in the knowledge that the enemies of good etiquette would be exiled for all time.
Short version: you guys get one thread. Don't be dickholes about it, and it'll work fine. Use spoiler tags to indicate if something has only happened in the show or only in the books, within reason. If someone is being an asshole, report it. Use common sense.
You can do this! Don't get shown up by those dumb fuckers in the Walking Dead thread!
Edit: Also! Helpful guideline regarding book spoilers:
The following book related topics should be in spoiler tags:
BOOK PEOPLE ONLY CLICK THIS SPOILER
-Everything Greyjoy from Balon dying on.
-Anything having to do with the BwB, or Lady Stoneheart
-Anything having to do with the Citadel
-Anything having to do with the North Remembering (and the northern lords rebelling against the Boltons)
-Anything Aegon
-Arya warging (and Nymeria/visions/etc)
-Bran's visions.
-Anything having to do with the BwB, or Lady Stoneheart
-Anything having to do with the Citadel
-Anything having to do with the North Remembering (and the northern lords rebelling against the Boltons)
-Anything Aegon
-Arya warging (and Nymeria/visions/etc)
-Bran's visions.
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Uhm, @ElJeffe, how would a show only person know what is a show only spoiler if they haven't read the books?
I think you're going to have to go with show as a normal television show thread spoiler policy with maybe book only stuff hitting spoilers.
TV:
Book:
If you don't know then just put it in a labeled spoiler I'd imagine.
Which is like the worst thing in any thread, IMO. At least until we get a "open all spoilers this page" button.
On topic! Vague comments about the books for this season with no specifics:
Icy pls
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I like the stuff I've been hearing about Jaime in the books more than the show.
I don't read the books, but my friends have told me about it, and the idea of
On Jon
book pacing spoilers, alongside materials in the show up to the latest episodes
Stuff like Bran's trip north of the wall and some other things from Season 4 were also parts of Books 4/5, while things like the events in King's Landing leading to Tywin's death basically are the end of book 3. Everything after Tywin's death in King's Landing takes place in books 4/5.
We're now in a situation where the show is either right on pace with, or very slightly ahead of what's been published in the books. Where A Dance With Dragons left off, the battle of Winterfell has not yet happened (or at least, if it did happen the results of it were not yet made clear by a reliable narrator). Basically everything else is pretty close to where the books left off. Dorne is significantly different, such that Myrcella is still alive. Also, a number of plotlines in book 4/5 have simply ceased to exist on the show -- particularly many events in the Iron Isles. They might bring some of that in next season.
My understanding is that the show and books are largely caught up relative to one another. If a character died three seasons ago by stabbing, and two books ago by hanging, that doesn't need to really be tagged, because who cares?
The chief problem has always been people who read the books and started babbling about stuff that was likely going to happen down the road in the show. I think that is a problem that can be worked around. With the show now between seasons, I think this will be a good time to develop a rhythm and see how well this works.
If this is really a disaster, we can reconsider down the road. For now, let's just make a good faith effort to give it a chance.
The only things that stand out are, according to casting, that
BOOK 4-5
We also know quite a bit more about what Bran is going to be doing up there, though how they decide to make use of it could be different so IDK
We also have seen Sam in Oldtown in the books, and ran into some interesting shit that the show more or less has to address
Beyond those things, I think anything else that happened differently in the books is unlikely to matter now. It's a short list.
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Nobody is not watching the show if they've read the books who has been active recently so I would think the show spoilers could follow general TV spoiler rules.
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Those all sound like things that should probably stay in spoilers for a bit.
Well the first one seems like a no-go on the show but I'd still probably be a little wary of it just to be courteous.
no, you need to spoiler that stuff, imo
Regarding the last of your book spoilers...
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Jon/book spoilers
Based on the possibility that letter is accurate, Jon musters the watch for a volunteer mission to Winterfell. After that, something plays out basically the same as how he was stabbed in the show.
Yup.
Show/Book divergence spoilers:
The Dorne plot from the book is completely different and much less stupid on the face of it and doesn't involve Jamie at all.
Jon decided to lead the Wildling army south so completely forsook his vows to the Watch. So yeah, wildly different than him having let some Wildlings through last week.
Seems possible, but then there's nothing to suggest it at the moment either.
Oh and Jon and the Wall in the books/show:
These actually sound like much better reasons than the show had for that event. Really wish they could have used them.
Also, is Jon's hair white in the books? Someone told me that and with his name "Snow" that sounds like dumb anime bullshit that I'm glad they changed for the show.
Maybe they got confused with his Direwolf? Ghost is also pretty accurate to the books as well.
So plenty of dumb anime bullshit in the books, but its also something easier to mentally deal with in a book vs an image you see on screen all the time in a show.
Snow is just the bastard name for the North (Ramsay was Ramsay Snow before he was made Ramsay Bolton last season).
All the kingdoms have one
North: Snow
Vale: Stone
Riverlands: Rivers
Stormlands: Storm
Dorne: Sand
I'm forgetting what the others are at the moment, but it'sn ot his appearance.
I would say this is on the level of plot rumor/spoilers for future seasons so it should be [][/]
Ew.
His first dirty legolas look in the show looked better than that.
On tangent from the art I've seen on the wiki of
Except in the book Ghost was also silent. The showrunners tried it but apparently the snarling CG direwolf looked really bad without sound.