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  • P10P10 An Idiot With Low IQ Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    You are all bad clinton historians or there would have been a general uproar at me calling Hillary "that woman".

    *disappoint*
    i think everyone's used to your masterful baiting at this point

    Shameful pursuits and utterly stupid opinions
    spool32RiemannLivesChanuscB557
  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    I don't mind the idea of Bernie having like

    A strategy to force Hillary to adopt Bernie's policies and shift leftwards towards Bernie's politics and away from whatever it is she represents these days

    But I don't necessarily agree he's unelectable

    But maybe it's just hard for me grasp the idea since in Canada's political climate he is electable so I'm just like

    what's

    what's wrong with Bernie

    nothing's wrong with Bernie

    ChanusJacobkoshAManFromEarth
  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    I don't mind the idea of Bernie having like

    A strategy to force Hillary to adopt Bernie's policies and shift leftwards towards Bernie's politics and away from whatever it is she represents these days

    But I don't necessarily agree he's unelectable

    But maybe it's just hard for me grasp the idea since in Canada's political climate he is electable so I'm just like

    what's

    what's wrong with Bernie

    nothing's wrong with Bernie

    um he's a socialist

  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    I love his transaction tax idea though.

    TehSlothAManFromEarth
  • tyrannustyrannus Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    I don't mind the idea of Bernie having like

    A strategy to force Hillary to adopt Bernie's policies and shift leftwards towards Bernie's politics and away from whatever it is she represents these days

    But I don't necessarily agree he's unelectable

    But maybe it's just hard for me grasp the idea since in Canada's political climate he is electable so I'm just like

    what's

    what's wrong with Bernie

    nothing's wrong with Bernie

    he is

    shryke
  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    I disagree that Sanders is a guaranteed loss in the general.

    What's the worst thing they can say about him? That's he a socialist?

    They were already going to say that about whoever the candidate is. Whether it's true or not isn't going to influence anybody.

    He's hardline enough for the US that he's most likely unelectable, and he's so far behind Hillary it doesn't really matter.

    I ate an engineer
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Neco wrote: »
    Im not a hillary fan anyway :P

    Fandom doesn't matter.
    Republicans will nominate a center-right candidate.
    Democrats will nominate a center-left candidate.
    Bush vs. Clinton 2016

    syndaliscB557
  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    I don't mind the idea of Bernie having like

    A strategy to force Hillary to adopt Bernie's policies and shift leftwards towards Bernie's politics and away from whatever it is she represents these days

    But I don't necessarily agree he's unelectable

    But maybe it's just hard for me grasp the idea since in Canada's political climate he is electable so I'm just like

    what's

    what's wrong with Bernie

    nothing's wrong with Bernie

    um he's a socialist

    So?

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Hey y'all Steven Universe

    Watch it

    Watch it now

    Point me to a streaming service available in Canada that broadcasts it.


    The quality is terrible, tho.

    21stCentury
  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    I don't mind the idea of Bernie having like

    A strategy to force Hillary to adopt Bernie's policies and shift leftwards towards Bernie's politics and away from whatever it is she represents these days

    But I don't necessarily agree he's unelectable

    But maybe it's just hard for me grasp the idea since in Canada's political climate he is electable so I'm just like

    what's

    what's wrong with Bernie

    nothing's wrong with Bernie

    um he's a socialist

    You say that like its a bad thing.

    So is most of the developed world.

    Including us!

    We are a mixed economy with socialist parts and free market parts.

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  • TehSlothTehSloth Hit Or Miss I Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered User regular
    TTODewback wrote: »
    They should lower the presidential eligibility age at least another 5 6 years

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Again, I think it speaks to the difference in politics in Canada versus the States that you can't use socialist as a slur here.

    If you use it against a left-wing politician their response will generally be "Yes, and?", especially if they're NDP

  • programjunkieprogramjunkie Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Neco wrote: »
    Someone keeps tagging the sidewalks with "All Lives Matter!" By my apartment.


    Stop! Just... stop....

    Hillary Clinton threw out an "All lives matter" during a speech about Charleston to a black congregation.

    She apparently did not know the recent history of the term.

    how recent are we talking? Because jesus fuck it must be exhausting to be the people in charge on staying on top of everything you're allowed write into a president's speech

    About as old as the whole #BlackLivesMatter thing

    it was a reactionary hashtag started by racists and adopted by other racists and by ignorant people who don't think of themselves as racists but are basically saying something really ignorant without really thinking it through

    Keeping up with the things that really matter, like twitter hashtags...

    Honestly, I'd be more concerned if a candidate was apprised of twitter hashtag minutiae, because they should be doing their actual jobs, which is hard and time consuming to do properly.

    you know it's really easy for you to be snide about this

    and this is a popular tactic to dismiss protest movements for whom things like social media are very real and useful tools

    but it's more than a "twitter hashtag", it's a protest slogan, and protest slogans are as old as protests themselves

    knowing protest slogans of important social justice movements that are sweeping a nation in the middle of racial strife is kind of important for a presidential candidate

    and knowing not to use the racist counter-protest version of that slogan is also important, politically

    c'mon, man

    don't yell at clouds

    I will be snide about people ridiculously reading into hyper specific wording that is a typical colloquial phrase, deliberately and maliciously misinterpreted 180 degrees from the context in which it was meant, because that is shitty when anyone does it to anyone, but especially stupid, immoral, and self-defeating when done to one's own natural allies.

    Emphasizing style over substance is how you get shitty policy and shitty rhetoric.

    A lot of people, myself one of them, don't consider Hillary their natural ally and are kind of suspicious of her and watch her pretty carefully and she's walking a pretty fine line.

    She doesn't get a pass, she doesn't get credit, she doesn't get leeway. She has a really horrible history in politics in some people's opinions and where she stands on a lot of things for some people ranges from nebulous to objectionable. She has changed where she stands on some things, but on others she's either not changed or not really clarified.

    So when she uses a phrase that has it's origins with racists, even if she does it by accident (which, to be honest, I think she did honestly do by accident), she doesn't get leeway. She gets narrowed eyes and calls for accountability.

    There are people who do not trust her and she has not earned their trust.

    "Accountability?"

    So, she's going to clarify that she obviously meant what she obviously meant, and that clarification/apology will be deemed as sufficient, or alternatively will further be pecked over for something to further willfully misinterpret.
    Coinage wrote: »
    So is it now just impossible to express the idea that everyone's life matters because of some people on twitter?

    Apparently we should all follow prominent racists on twitter so we can not accidentally use similar wording as they did, despite the actual meaning being obvious from context.

    Instead of actually focusing on actual policy to benefit the same people who have been allegedly slighted.

    you are not a presidential candidate

    presidential candidates literally have people whose job it is to keep their candidate from saying things that sound like they're kinda sorta endorsing the viewpoint of racists

    like i said

    this is a minor gaff that only reveals someone in Clinton's camp went "whoops"

    and that's all

    personally I don't even really think Clinton needs to apologize or address this, except maybe with her staff

    some might disagree with me, and that's their prerogative

    I think she could, and it's not a bad idea per se

    but eh

    Yes, and I am saying that the process of people picking shit apart with deliberate misinterpretations, especially ones based on twitter hashtags of a tiny minority of racists that everyone should be ignoring anyways, is bad, and people should feel bad for doing it.

    Style over substance politics is harmful, because it takes debate away from "what specific policies could most effectively increase black economic participation," and turns it into, "OH EM GEE! Hilary said 'all lives matter' which, her Secretary of Twitter should know was the 216th trending hashtag one day, and really means the opposite of what you might think!"
    Mostly I just hope that modern politicians don't adopt the internet obsession with personal feelings of grievance being more important than governance or policy in my lifetime.

    Unfortunately, it's already an issue. This stupid bullshit merits a NYT piece, so...

  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    im a presidential candidate and i say no lives matter

    vote for me

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Neco wrote: »
    Im not a hillary fan anyway :P

    Fandom doesn't matter.
    Republicans will nominate a center-right candidate.
    Democrats will nominate a center-left candidate.
    Bush vs. Clinton 2016

    And Hillary will win unless something unspeakable happens in the coming year and a half and the dems will reclaim the senate hard because 2016 is going to be a vote against the tea party in the senate as much as it is a presidential election, and there is going to be some motivated voters wanting to clean house that year in particular.

    This whole dance is kind of dumb. I am surprised at how many republicans actually want in on the presidential race this year.

    SW-4158-3990-6116
    Let's play Mario Kart or something...
  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    im a presidential candidate and i say no lives matter

    vote for me

    candidate minaj

    what is your policy re: the butt

    Coinage
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    I don't mind the idea of Bernie having like

    A strategy to force Hillary to adopt Bernie's policies and shift leftwards towards Bernie's politics and away from whatever it is she represents these days

    But I don't necessarily agree he's unelectable

    But maybe it's just hard for me grasp the idea since in Canada's political climate he is electable so I'm just like

    what's

    what's wrong with Bernie

    nothing's wrong with Bernie

    um he's a socialist

    So?

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx?utm_source=Politics&utm_medium=newsfeed&utm_campaign=tiles

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    I don't mind the idea of Bernie having like

    A strategy to force Hillary to adopt Bernie's policies and shift leftwards towards Bernie's politics and away from whatever it is she represents these days

    But I don't necessarily agree he's unelectable

    But maybe it's just hard for me grasp the idea since in Canada's political climate he is electable so I'm just like

    what's

    what's wrong with Bernie

    nothing's wrong with Bernie

    um he's a socialist

    So?

    Socialism is a poisoned word in the US lexicon and it's really easy to dissuade even Democrats by openly being against businesses as the main part of your platform.

    I ate an engineer
  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    America is as ready to accept socialism as it has been at any point since the 1930s.

    We've seen what the "free market" does to us.

    “I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
    -Indiana Solo, runner of blades
    Neco
  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    I don't mind the idea of Bernie having like

    A strategy to force Hillary to adopt Bernie's policies and shift leftwards towards Bernie's politics and away from whatever it is she represents these days

    But I don't necessarily agree he's unelectable

    But maybe it's just hard for me grasp the idea since in Canada's political climate he is electable so I'm just like

    what's

    what's wrong with Bernie

    nothing's wrong with Bernie

    um he's a socialist

    So?

    I* don't like socialism.





    *I am the broad majority of the American Electorate

    DasUberEdward
  • CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Neco wrote: »
    Im not a hillary fan anyway :P

    Fandom doesn't matter.
    Republicans will nominate a center-right candidate.
    Democrats will nominate a center-left candidate.
    Bush vs. Clinton 2016

    And Hillary will win unless something unspeakable happens in the coming year and a half and the dems will reclaim the senate hard because 2016 is going to be a vote against the tea party in the senate as much as it is a presidential election, and there is going to be some motivated voters wanting to clean house that year in particular.

    This whole dance is kind of dumb. I am surprised at how many republicans actually want in on the presidential race this year.
    Republicans are kind of delusional about their prospects on the national stage because of their success in gerrymandered elections.

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  • ChanusChanus I've seen things... Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    I don't mind the idea of Bernie having like

    A strategy to force Hillary to adopt Bernie's policies and shift leftwards towards Bernie's politics and away from whatever it is she represents these days

    But I don't necessarily agree he's unelectable

    But maybe it's just hard for me grasp the idea since in Canada's political climate he is electable so I'm just like

    what's

    what's wrong with Bernie

    nothing's wrong with Bernie

    um he's a socialist

    So?

    I* don't like socialism.





    *I am the broad majority of the American Electorate

    an interesting thing about this is the broad majority of the American Electorate only doesn't like the literal word "socialism" but actually favors many socialist policies

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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  • P10P10 An Idiot With Low IQ Registered User regular
    americans don't like the word socialism, probably because of the whole cold war thing

    being against socialist policies is only sort of true

    Shameful pursuits and utterly stupid opinions
    programjunkieemnmnme
  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    I don't mind the idea of Bernie having like

    A strategy to force Hillary to adopt Bernie's policies and shift leftwards towards Bernie's politics and away from whatever it is she represents these days

    But I don't necessarily agree he's unelectable

    But maybe it's just hard for me grasp the idea since in Canada's political climate he is electable so I'm just like

    what's

    what's wrong with Bernie

    nothing's wrong with Bernie

    um he's a socialist

    So?

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx?utm_source=Politics&utm_medium=newsfeed&utm_campaign=tiles

    ...this is insane.

  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong For Workgroups Version 3.11 Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Hey, so maybe somebody here who knows about art or design or image recognition or something can inform me about this.

    I was browsing an Imgur gallery of Where's Momo pictures, which is a series of photographs that are pretty neat on their own, but also contain a dog (the aforementioned Momo) hidden somewhere in the pictures. And I was noticing that it was easier to find Momo in some of the pictures than in others, but not necessarily because of camouflage, where Momo is hard to find because much of the photograph has color groupings similar to Momo's. Rather, some were easier because they had fewer "places" in the photo for Momo to be hidden, and others had many "places".

    Examples:

    Very few places: http://i.imgur.com/ObTXuMZ.jpg

    Few places: http://i.imgur.com/UhBk9TH.jpg

    Some places: http://i.imgur.com/eZi29Ev.jpg

    Medium places: http://i.imgur.com/re0cYqV.jpg

    Many places: http://i.imgur.com/JBvgxiB.jpg

    A shitton of places: http://i.imgur.com/uPnNVHg.jpg

    Is this a recognized concept in art/photography/graphic design or even image analysis? I'm not sure who to @ about this.

    Hiding something in an image, both from a computer and from a human, come down to the same thing: overwhelming the processing system. Both human and machine image processing systems rely on a hierarchy of tools. The initial tools are very simple and require little specialization. These are just there to reduce the complexity of the data. Images are unfathomably complex, so simple tools will detect edges and remove shadows. If you're searching for something they'll filter for feature size and color. If you're looking for a black and white dog, your brain will filter for dog-sized black and white patches. Once that's done, the majority of image data has bee tossed out, leaving higher level tools a greatly simplified image to deal with.

    These higher level tools need a simplified image to work at all, because they are easily overwhelmed by complexity. Checking if a cluster of features is a dog is already a complex task. If there are too many features, a computer will get stuck churning for hours or report back that the search would take too long. You brain does largely the same thing, reporting back, no dog found, confidence low. Which translates as that sort of eye-fuck feeling you get when you look at that last image.

    And that's how these pictures work. The ones that are more difficult are exploiting the lower level filters, getting as much confusing visual data past them to overload the higher level processes. As a result, you have to break the image down, getting closer to your screen, mentally partitioning off smaller and smaller sections until it's manageable, your stumble upon the patch with the dog, your brain does its thing, and the image of the dog pops out.

    Naturally your eyes will skitter around the image randomly, which is nature's pants-on-head instinctual solution to the problem. It works about as well as it needs to I guess. But if you get ahold of yourself and make the search more methodical, none of the images are very hard.

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  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    America is as ready to accept socialism as it has been at any point since the 1930s.

    We've seen what the "free market" does to us.

    Yeah, but that's only because previously being socialist was literally as bad as being a Russian spy. That doesn't make socialism electable

    I ate an engineer
  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    im a presidential candidate and i say no lives matter

    vote for me

    candidate minaj

    what is your policy re: the butt

    bigger

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    Pony wrote: »
    im a presidential candidate and i say no lives matter

    vote for me

    candidate minaj

    what is your policy re: the butt

    expansionist

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    im a presidential candidate and i say no lives matter

    vote for me

    You'll raise taxes to fund your nationwide Extermination Squads. You don't have my vote.

    spool32
  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Neco wrote: »
    Someone keeps tagging the sidewalks with "All Lives Matter!" By my apartment.


    Stop! Just... stop....

    Hillary Clinton threw out an "All lives matter" during a speech about Charleston to a black congregation.

    She apparently did not know the recent history of the term.

    how recent are we talking? Because jesus fuck it must be exhausting to be the people in charge on staying on top of everything you're allowed write into a president's speech

    About as old as the whole #BlackLivesMatter thing

    it was a reactionary hashtag started by racists and adopted by other racists and by ignorant people who don't think of themselves as racists but are basically saying something really ignorant without really thinking it through

    Keeping up with the things that really matter, like twitter hashtags...

    Honestly, I'd be more concerned if a candidate was apprised of twitter hashtag minutiae, because they should be doing their actual jobs, which is hard and time consuming to do properly.

    you know it's really easy for you to be snide about this

    and this is a popular tactic to dismiss protest movements for whom things like social media are very real and useful tools

    but it's more than a "twitter hashtag", it's a protest slogan, and protest slogans are as old as protests themselves

    knowing protest slogans of important social justice movements that are sweeping a nation in the middle of racial strife is kind of important for a presidential candidate

    and knowing not to use the racist counter-protest version of that slogan is also important, politically

    c'mon, man

    don't yell at clouds

    I will be snide about people ridiculously reading into hyper specific wording that is a typical colloquial phrase, deliberately and maliciously misinterpreted 180 degrees from the context in which it was meant, because that is shitty when anyone does it to anyone, but especially stupid, immoral, and self-defeating when done to one's own natural allies.

    Emphasizing style over substance is how you get shitty policy and shitty rhetoric.

    A lot of people, myself one of them, don't consider Hillary their natural ally and are kind of suspicious of her and watch her pretty carefully and she's walking a pretty fine line.

    She doesn't get a pass, she doesn't get credit, she doesn't get leeway. She has a really horrible history in politics in some people's opinions and where she stands on a lot of things for some people ranges from nebulous to objectionable. She has changed where she stands on some things, but on others she's either not changed or not really clarified.

    So when she uses a phrase that has it's origins with racists, even if she does it by accident (which, to be honest, I think she did honestly do by accident), she doesn't get leeway. She gets narrowed eyes and calls for accountability.

    There are people who do not trust her and she has not earned their trust.

    "Accountability?"

    So, she's going to clarify that she obviously meant what she obviously meant, and that clarification/apology will be deemed as sufficient, or alternatively will further be pecked over for something to further willfully misinterpret.
    Coinage wrote: »
    So is it now just impossible to express the idea that everyone's life matters because of some people on twitter?

    Apparently we should all follow prominent racists on twitter so we can not accidentally use similar wording as they did, despite the actual meaning being obvious from context.

    Instead of actually focusing on actual policy to benefit the same people who have been allegedly slighted.

    you are not a presidential candidate

    presidential candidates literally have people whose job it is to keep their candidate from saying things that sound like they're kinda sorta endorsing the viewpoint of racists

    like i said

    this is a minor gaff that only reveals someone in Clinton's camp went "whoops"

    and that's all

    personally I don't even really think Clinton needs to apologize or address this, except maybe with her staff

    some might disagree with me, and that's their prerogative

    I think she could, and it's not a bad idea per se

    but eh

    Yes, and I am saying that the process of people picking shit apart with deliberate misinterpretations, especially ones based on twitter hashtags of a tiny minority of racists that everyone should be ignoring anyways, is bad, and people should feel bad for doing it.

    Style over substance politics is harmful, because it takes debate away from "what specific policies could most effectively increase black economic participation," and turns it into, "OH EM GEE! Hilary said 'all lives matter' which, her Secretary of Twitter should know was the 216th trending hashtag one day, and really means the opposite of what you might think!"
    Mostly I just hope that modern politicians don't adopt the internet obsession with personal feelings of grievance being more important than governance or policy in my lifetime.

    Unfortunately, it's already an issue. This stupid bullshit merits a NYT piece, so...

    Oh don't mistake me for that level of wishful thinking, I am fully aware that it's begun to affect discourse outside the internet.

    But it hasn't reached the point where it trumps policy and governance. On the internet it has; nothing is more pressing than "I was offended/my feelings were hurt".

    programjunkie
  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Coinage wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Neco wrote: »
    Im not a hillary fan anyway :P

    Fandom doesn't matter.
    Republicans will nominate a center-right candidate.
    Democrats will nominate a center-left candidate.
    Bush vs. Clinton 2016

    And Hillary will win unless something unspeakable happens in the coming year and a half and the dems will reclaim the senate hard because 2016 is going to be a vote against the tea party in the senate as much as it is a presidential election, and there is going to be some motivated voters wanting to clean house that year in particular.

    This whole dance is kind of dumb. I am surprised at how many republicans actually want in on the presidential race this year.
    Republicans are kind of delusional about their prospects on the national stage because of their success in gerrymandered elections.

    yup!

    You don't even need to bother showing up, I mean you guys have this thing in the bag.

    TTODewbackemnmnmeRedTide
  • TavTav Registered User regular
    http://loudwire.com/after-the-burial-guitarist-justin-lowe-leaving-band-conspiracy/

    this dude is in a metal band i've never heard of and posted a really long conspiracy theory that just sounds like he has paranoid schizophrenia

    but i am still trying to figure this bit out
    Writing about this is my only option now, so I will continue to do so. Now, this is going to continue to get more and more insane and disturbing. Back in 2012, while he didn’t realize I was looking in my bedroom, Trent Hafdahl was messing with a semen encrusted t-shirt that was under my bed.

    Wait, what? Why would he want a sample of my semen? The plot thickens drastically.

    Chanus
  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    kedinik wrote: »
    Neco wrote: »
    Someone keeps tagging the sidewalks with "All Lives Matter!" By my apartment.


    Stop! Just... stop....

    Hillary Clinton threw out an "All lives matter" during a speech about Charleston to a black congregation.

    She apparently did not know the recent history of the term.

    how recent are we talking? Because jesus fuck it must be exhausting to be the people in charge on staying on top of everything you're allowed write into a president's speech

    About as old as the whole #BlackLivesMatter thing

    it was a reactionary hashtag started by racists and adopted by other racists and by ignorant people who don't think of themselves as racists but are basically saying something really ignorant without really thinking it through

    Keeping up with the things that really matter, like twitter hashtags...

    Honestly, I'd be more concerned if a candidate was apprised of twitter hashtag minutiae, because they should be doing their actual jobs, which is hard and time consuming to do properly.

    you know it's really easy for you to be snide about this

    and this is a popular tactic to dismiss protest movements for whom things like social media are very real and useful tools

    but it's more than a "twitter hashtag", it's a protest slogan, and protest slogans are as old as protests themselves

    knowing protest slogans of important social justice movements that are sweeping a nation in the middle of racial strife is kind of important for a presidential candidate

    and knowing not to use the racist counter-protest version of that slogan is also important, politically

    c'mon, man

    don't yell at clouds

    I will be snide about people ridiculously reading into hyper specific wording that is a typical colloquial phrase, deliberately and maliciously misinterpreted 180 degrees from the context in which it was meant, because that is shitty when anyone does it to anyone, but especially stupid, immoral, and self-defeating when done to one's own natural allies.

    Emphasizing style over substance is how you get shitty policy and shitty rhetoric.

    A lot of people, myself one of them, don't consider Hillary their natural ally and are kind of suspicious of her and watch her pretty carefully and she's walking a pretty fine line.

    She doesn't get a pass, she doesn't get credit, she doesn't get leeway. She has a really horrible history in politics in some people's opinions and where she stands on a lot of things for some people ranges from nebulous to objectionable. She has changed where she stands on some things, but on others she's either not changed or not really clarified.

    So when she uses a phrase that has it's origins with racists, even if she does it by accident (which, to be honest, I think she did honestly do by accident), she doesn't get leeway. She gets narrowed eyes and calls for accountability.

    There are people who do not trust her and she has not earned their trust.

    "Accountability?"

    So, she's going to clarify that she obviously meant what she obviously meant, and that clarification/apology will be deemed as sufficient, or alternatively will further be pecked over for something to further willfully misinterpret.
    Coinage wrote: »
    So is it now just impossible to express the idea that everyone's life matters because of some people on twitter?

    Apparently we should all follow prominent racists on twitter so we can not accidentally use similar wording as they did, despite the actual meaning being obvious from context.

    Instead of actually focusing on actual policy to benefit the same people who have been allegedly slighted.

    you are not a presidential candidate

    presidential candidates literally have people whose job it is to keep their candidate from saying things that sound like they're kinda sorta endorsing the viewpoint of racists

    like i said

    this is a minor gaff that only reveals someone in Clinton's camp went "whoops"

    and that's all

    personally I don't even really think Clinton needs to apologize or address this, except maybe with her staff

    some might disagree with me, and that's their prerogative

    I think she could, and it's not a bad idea per se

    but eh

    Yes, and I am saying that the process of people picking shit apart with deliberate misinterpretations, especially ones based on twitter hashtags of a tiny minority of racists that everyone should be ignoring anyways, is bad, and people should feel bad for doing it.

    Style over substance politics is harmful, because it takes debate away from "what specific policies could most effectively increase black economic participation," and turns it into, "OH EM GEE! Hilary said 'all lives matter' which, her Secretary of Twitter should know was the 216th trending hashtag one day, and really means the opposite of what you might think!"
    Mostly I just hope that modern politicians don't adopt the internet obsession with personal feelings of grievance being more important than governance or policy in my lifetime.

    Unfortunately, it's already an issue. This stupid bullshit merits a NYT piece, so...

    It is barely a piece.

    Funny reading the whole line it seems to be tied to something completely different.

    I don't know.

    My knowledge of shit like this is below zero if it is tied to twitter.

    Didn't even realize it was a counter slogan.

    Funny it didn't pop on any of my news feeds or politico or any of my normal sources. Just a short article talking about some backlash on social media and like a couple short interviews.

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    spool32 wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    I don't mind the idea of Bernie having like

    A strategy to force Hillary to adopt Bernie's policies and shift leftwards towards Bernie's politics and away from whatever it is she represents these days

    But I don't necessarily agree he's unelectable

    But maybe it's just hard for me grasp the idea since in Canada's political climate he is electable so I'm just like

    what's

    what's wrong with Bernie

    nothing's wrong with Bernie

    um he's a socialist

    So?

    I* don't like socialism.





    *I am the broad majority of the American Electorate

    an interesting thing about this is the broad majority of the American Electorate only doesn't like the literal word "socialism" but actually favors many socialist policies

    Everybody likes free stuff.

  • VanguardVanguard A wretched country of duskRegistered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    "i was on food stamps you think anyone helped me out" is a pretty good summation of the average american mindset

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    Good times.

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  • ChanusChanus I've seen things... Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Neco wrote: »
    Im not a hillary fan anyway :P

    Fandom doesn't matter.
    Republicans will nominate a center-right candidate.
    Democrats will nominate a center-left candidate.
    Bush vs. Clinton 2016

    And Hillary will win unless something unspeakable happens in the coming year and a half and the dems will reclaim the senate hard because 2016 is going to be a vote against the tea party in the senate as much as it is a presidential election, and there is going to be some motivated voters wanting to clean house that year in particular.

    This whole dance is kind of dumb. I am surprised at how many republicans actually want in on the presidential race this year.
    Republicans are kind of delusional about their prospects on the national stage because of their success in gerrymandered elections.

    yup!

    You don't even need to bother showing up, I mean you guys have this thing in the bag.

    wait

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    But do you know what would make the democrats lose in 2016?

    If we ran a candidate who says that he is proud to be a socialist, and America could learn a thing or two from European countries like Norway. Because no matter how fucking true that message is, he will not win the hearts and minds of the simple-minded media-manipulated middle of this nation.

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    Let's play Mario Kart or something...
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  • Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
    mormons beat evangelical's on that chart, so suck it

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