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  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    desc wrote: »
    although obviously that is not as ideal as a custom waifu in custom armor

    what is...

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    desc
  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Feral wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    @ronya @Apothe0sis

    as usual

    comments are pretty on point.

    Singer is, if nothing else, a consistent shining example of why academic freedom is important.

    @MrMister
    It feels strange to want to read and respond positively to comments on the internet.

    I went and read the Barnes article as recommended and found no obvious link beyond the very general "disability is discussed".
    I'm v opposed to shit that Tim Hunt said on a scientific basis because as a scientist he should present evidence for his claims other than the experiential. That being said, the attack on philosophers of late for doing philosophy is the dumbest goddamn shit and highlights why tenure is really damn important.

    Read a good article by an anonymous author who was identified only as an adjunct professor at a large U.S. university (adjunct means no tenure for those not up on academia employment). He said that all his lectures are now prepared for the current environment where offending a student risks dismissal. This is a thing he agonizes over and loses sleep over because he needs his job. He also said other adjuncts he knows have the same fears.

    Some people will find that great, as of course being offended is amongst the worst possible things. But consider that the line between being offended and being challenged is razor thin, varies from student to student, and for some students anything that challenges them is perceived as offensive. It is of course your right to take to the internet and attempt to get a mob going, which can cause not only dismissal of an unprotected professor but unemployability if a large enough stink is made.

    And of course this offended student can be anyone. It needn't be a black, gay, or trans student. It can be a religious student (of any religion) a conservative student etc. None of these viewpoints can be safely challenged by an unprotected professor. It only takes one student to be super offended, take to the internet and get a dogpile going, and the university will drop you on your ass because you're an adjunct and they hired you into that position because you are pretty expendable.

    So yes, tenure is super fucking important because we are quickly reaching the point where only tenured professors can say things that challenge students.

    I think I read the same article. Was it on Vox?

    The one I read went to great lengths to pin the blame on oversensitive students, even though it was obvious from the text that the crux of the issue is that adjunct professors are expendable.

    The crux of the problem is most definitely employment protections (lack thereof). But oversensitive students are certainly a thing on the rise.

    You can also walk the issue all the way back to universities becoming more and more businesslike (and costly) which in turn has made students more customer-like and less scholar-like.

    Then you could blame the schools. But then can't you also walk the issue back even further and pin it on the government for not funding colleges in such a way that they don't have to operate like businesses?

    (in any case, the author, regardless of his beef with whiny crybabby students, wasn't suggesting anything in the way of a solution that would deprive students of their right to be pissed about anything)

    Regina Fong on
    programjunkieApothe0sis
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I have heard of adjuncts who get a big enough load to teach four classes a semester so maybe they're equivalent to full time

    but they still dont get benefits and can be dropped like a bad hat at a moment's notice

    horrible free market solution

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    desc
  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    desc wrote: »
    desc do you wanna meet somewhere and grab drinks in the next week or two?

    yas

    I'll PM you, Ill be back tomorrow indefinitely and I'm p free. I also have a car that won't fall apart almost immediately so we can figure something out!

    desc
  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Feral wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    @ronya @Apothe0sis

    as usual

    comments are pretty on point.

    Singer is, if nothing else, a consistent shining example of why academic freedom is important.

    @MrMister
    It feels strange to want to read and respond positively to comments on the internet.

    I went and read the Barnes article as recommended and found no obvious link beyond the very general "disability is discussed".
    I'm v opposed to shit that Tim Hunt said on a scientific basis because as a scientist he should present evidence for his claims other than the experiential. That being said, the attack on philosophers of late for doing philosophy is the dumbest goddamn shit and highlights why tenure is really damn important.

    Read a good article by an anonymous author who was identified only as an adjunct professor at a large U.S. university (adjunct means no tenure for those not up on academia employment). He said that all his lectures are now prepared for the current environment where offending a student risks dismissal. This is a thing he agonizes over and loses sleep over because he needs his job. He also said other adjuncts he knows have the same fears.

    Some people will find that great, as of course being offended is amongst the worst possible things. But consider that the line between being offended and being challenged is razor thin, varies from student to student, and for some students anything that challenges them is perceived as offensive. It is of course your right to take to the internet and attempt to get a mob going, which can cause not only dismissal of an unprotected professor but unemployability if a large enough stink is made.

    And of course this offended student can be anyone. It needn't be a black, gay, or trans student. It can be a religious student (of any religion) a conservative student etc. None of these viewpoints can be safely challenged by an unprotected professor. It only takes one student to be super offended, take to the internet and get a dogpile going, and the university will drop you on your ass because you're an adjunct and they hired you into that position because you are pretty expendable.

    So yes, tenure is super fucking important because we are quickly reaching the point where only tenured professors can say things that challenge students.

    I think I read the same article. Was it on Vox?

    The one I read went to great lengths to pin the blame on oversensitive students, even though it was obvious from the text that the crux of the issue is that adjunct professors are expendable.

    there can be more than one villian in a story.
    *looks at student loan balance*
    *flips table*

    Deebaser on
    AManFromEarthFeral
  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    I have heard of adjuncts who get a big enough load to teach four classes a semester so maybe they're equivalent to full time

    but they still dont get benefits and can be dropped like a bad hat at a moment's notice

    horrible free market solution

    but all free market solutions are glorious

  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    I've never heard of an adjunct being tenured, that's interesting. Regardless, it's kind of an aside to the point of the article which was no tenure = fear of offending a student = watering down your class so that no one can find anything offensive in it.

    To be fair, then there's the flipside of "lol got tenure, fuck all'y'all Idgaf"

    A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
  • CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    MrMister wrote: »
    @ronya @Apothe0sis

    as usual

    comments are pretty on point.

    Singer is, if nothing else, a consistent shining example of why academic freedom is important.

    @MrMister
    It feels strange to want to read and respond positively to comments on the internet.

    I went and read the Barnes article as recommended and found no obvious link beyond the very general "disability is discussed".
    I'm v opposed to shit that Tim Hunt said on a scientific basis because as a scientist he should present evidence for his claims other than the experiential. That being said, the attack on philosophers of late for doing philosophy is the dumbest goddamn shit and highlights why tenure is really damn important.

    Read a good article by an anonymous author who was identified only as an adjunct professor at a large U.S. university (adjunct means no tenure for those not up on academia employment). He said that all his lectures are now prepared for the current environment where offending a student risks dismissal. This is a thing he agonizes over and loses sleep over because he needs his job. He also said other adjuncts he knows have the same fears.

    Some people will find that great, as of course being offended is amongst the worst possible things. But consider that the line between being offended and being challenged is razor thin, varies from student to student, and for some students anything that challenges them is perceived as offensive. It is of course your right to take to the internet and attempt to get a mob going, which can cause not only dismissal of an unprotected professor but unemployability if a large enough stink is made.

    And of course this offended student can be anyone. It needn't be a black, gay, or trans student. It can be a religious student (of any religion) a conservative student etc. None of these viewpoints can be safely challenged by an unprotected professor. It only takes one student to be super offended, take to the internet and get a dogpile going, and the university will drop you on your ass because you're an adjunct and they hired you into that position because you are pretty expendable.

    So yes, tenure is super fucking important because we are quickly reaching the point where only tenured professors can say things that challenge students.

    I think I read the same article. Was it on Vox?

    The one I read went to great lengths to pin the blame on oversensitive students, even though it was obvious from the text that the crux of the issue is that adjunct professors are expendable.

    but its definitely the students

    if im teaching a class about pensi i should be aloud to say what I WANT

    and what i want to say is PENSI
    The walls are just covered in dicks.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited June 2015
    Elki wrote: »
    A shooter on Macs is a dumb idea, and someone had to talk Bungie out of it. My teenage self spent countless sleepovers with friends, rigging Xboxes together to capture the flags and eat pizza until the sun rose on virgin faces. "Let's bring our Macs together to play some games, you guys" said no one ever. Macs are for music, and pretending to write.

    It was never mac only. That's marathon. It was going to be Mac and PC, simultaneously.

    That would've just been another game where you controlled your man using the same device that you used to type cover letters. Ew. What resulted was much better. The revolution. A shooter that worked on game controller made specifically for controlling games. Video games. Civilization.

    Elki on
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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Kana wrote: »
    I've never heard of an adjunct being tenured, that's interesting. Regardless, it's kind of an aside to the point of the article which was no tenure = fear of offending a student = watering down your class so that no one can find anything offensive in it.

    To be fair, then there's the flipside of "lol got tenure, fuck all'y'all Idgaf"

    This really isn't the problem that conservatives enjoy making it out to be.

    -edit-

    see also: voter fraud

    Regina Fong on
    Apothe0sisshryke
  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    If it weren't for Halo we could very well still be using Goldeneye controls...

    if you can call them that.

    cB557wazilla
  • AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    The only real solution is to take our transactional relationship with education out into the street and shooting it in front of its family

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    DeebaserRegina Fong
  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    I've never heard of an adjunct being tenured, that's interesting. Regardless, it's kind of an aside to the point of the article which was no tenure = fear of offending a student = watering down your class so that no one can find anything offensive in it.

    To be fair, then there's the flipside of "lol got tenure, fuck all'y'all Idgaf"

    This really isn't the problem that conservatives enjoy making it out to be.

    -edit-

    see also: voter fraud

    Well, you're not talking to a conservative, you're talking to me

    So I don't know what to tell you?

    A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    i remember halo 1 on the xbox controller

    it felt like a big pensi in my hand and i looked at it and it looked at me and then

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  • CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    i remember halo 1 on the xbox controller

    it felt like a big pensi in my hand and i looked at it and it looked at me and then
    ...scheck have you had sex with the xbox controller?

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    surrealitycheck
  • cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular

    Kana
  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    i remember halo 1 on the xbox controller

    it felt like a big pensi in my hand and i looked at it and it looked at me and then

    for the love of god dont stop

    surrealitycheckspacekungfuman
  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    aw I missed socialism talk after kind of kicking it off

    okay I just want to share an anecdote:

    Seattle city council recently elected a women (Kshama Sawant) who's so socialist she's pushing communist*. It's actually kind of funny; voting in the seattle area is usually "which of these two slimeoids with vaguely liberal platforms will turn out to be the least corrupt and business-loving"--so when in turned out she was socialist in the council chambers and not just in the voter's pamphlet everyone was a bit surprised. She's the one who pushed to get Seattle a $15/hr min wage.

    Anyway, when I was unemployed I was visiting my mom at her work. She was buying me lunch cause she's a super lady. I was milling around her desk and Sawant came up somehow. We were joking how amusing it was that the Seattle voters didn't exactly know how to feel about her, since we're not sure they actually meant to elect a raging socialist, just a run-of-the-mill liberal. I mentioned that it was nice to see an actual socialist in office, seeing as how the word has been so watered down and demonized.

    One of my mom's coworkers overheard us and decided to join it. It was clear that she had no love Sawant. I was doing my best to be polite, until she dropped a line that left me speechless. She proclaimed "yeah, well, it's easy to be a socialist when your husband is a millionaire," then shot me a smug grin.

    :rotate:

    I tried to formulate some response along the lines of "do you know what socialism even is?" (letting the implied sexism go) before thinking better of it. I gave her a "mmm" and then my mom and I headed out to lunch.


    *no really, she once semi-seriously advocated that Boeing's workers should literally seize the means of production. TBF Boeing are massive shitheels and the state would be better off if they left. Go let them exploit somewhere else.

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    Kana wrote: »
    I've never heard of an adjunct being tenured, that's interesting. Regardless, it's kind of an aside to the point of the article which was no tenure = fear of offending a student = watering down your class so that no one can find anything offensive in it.

    To be fair, then there's the flipside of "lol got tenure, fuck all'y'all Idgaf"

    This really isn't the problem that conservatives enjoy making it out to be.

    -edit-

    see also: voter fraud

    Well, you're not talking to a conservative, you're talking to me

    So I don't know what to tell you?

    Maybe try backing it up with something?

    Show that it is a problem, professors getting tenure and then slacking off? I haven't seen it myself. The vast majority of my university professors have been tenured and they are a really incredible group of people. I love my department.

    What's your experience?

  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    The only real solution is to take our transactional relationship with education out into the street and shooting it in front of its family

    i think it would be just swell if we could reform secondary school education to the point where having a high school diploma means more than you're old enough to vote/smoke/be in porn.

    AManFromEarth
  • MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Mortious wrote: »
    Most adjuncts have to teach at a couple different schools at a time to make ends me.

    Like a few at a comm college, one at local uni, etc

    It's cheap for the schools, cause then there's one less full time salary/benefits person in their budget

    but it's awful for the instructor, especially when you consider they have to have a masters at least, phd preferred to get in which means they've probably got some student loan debt

    My terrible googling led me to this:
    Assistant Lecturer $41,424
    Lecturer $53,791
    Senior Lecturer $70,544
    Associate Professor $85,724
    Professor (bottom of scale) $92,834

    Which doesn't seem to bad.

    If you're full time. Most adjuncts aren't. And they're often in debt up to their eyeballs because Amurrica.

    I can't find any salary information on adjuncts then.

    MAybe they don't get paid at all...

    Move to New Zealand
    It’s not a very important country most of the time
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  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    Coinage wrote: »
    i remember halo 1 on the xbox controller

    it felt like a big pensi in my hand and i looked at it and it looked at me and then
    ...scheck have you had sex with the xbox controller?

    who hasnt she was a real slag

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  • Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    cB557 wrote: »

    he seems to be exceptionally adept at doing whatever that is

    cB557emnmnme
  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    cB557 wrote: »

    he seems to be exceptionally adept at doing whatever that is

    He seems to be doing the thing my dogs do with balls because they don't play fetch, just keep-away.

    Only he is fancier at it.

  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    i am bed keep it real slags for all

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    Dark Raven XDasUberEdward
  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Is Guardians Halo 5? That one with the guy in the armour walking up to a downed Master Chief soliloquising about how he was supposed to save us and trying to sound all profound, but he actually sounds really fucking dumb?

    Oh brilliant
    cB557
  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    sooo the girl who has been my fuck buddy just ditched me for my high school crush. earth. please.

    desc
  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    A shooter on Macs is a dumb idea, and someone had to talk Bungie out of it. My teenage self spent countless sleepovers with friends, rigging Xboxes together to capture the flags and eat pizza until the sun rose on virgin faces. "Let's bring our Macs together to play some games, you guys" said no one ever. Macs are for music, and pretending to write.

    It was never mac only. That's marathon. It was going to be Mac and PC, simultaneously.

    That would've just been another game where you controlled your man using the same device that you used to type cover letters. Ew. What resulted was much better. The revolution. A shooter that worked on game controller made specifically for controlling games. Video games. Civilization.

    had a friend back in the day who insisted on playing Duke Nukem 3D with a game controller made specifically for controlling games

    the only positive thing I can say about his chosen controls scheme is that effortlessly killing him over and over never got old

    mostly because every once in awhile he would suddenly drop from the game and then my phone would ring. Then he'd yell at me for a few minutes about how bullshit this was and then yell at me to start the game back up and slam the phone down

  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    sooo the girl who has been my fuck buddy just ditched me for my high school crush. earth. please.

    so, three way then?

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    sigh

    ok

    lets get this over with

    Cindy insists i tell you all that her junk is super smooth

    she won't stop asking and is monitoring the thread to make sure i do it

    i write amazing erotic fiction

    its all about anthropomorphic dicks doing everyday things like buying shoes for their scrotum-feet
    Winky wrote: »
    Corgis are totally the white people of dogs
    wazillaAiouaBeNarwhalHappylilElfthatassemblyguySir LandsharkDasUberEdwardoverride367So It Goessurrealitycheck
  • wazillawazilla Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    sigh

    ok

    lets get this over with

    Cindy insists i tell you all that her junk is super smooth

    she won't stop asking and is monitoring the thread to make sure i do it

    I think I'll risk an agree here.

    Psn:wazukki
    Casual
  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    sigh

    ok

    lets get this over with

    Cindy insists i tell you all that her junk is super smooth

    she won't stop asking and is monitoring the thread to make sure i do it

    Can you verify, or is this just like, second hand info?

    Oh brilliant
  • wazillawazilla Registered User regular
    sooo the girl who has been my fuck buddy just ditched me for my high school crush. earth. please.

    This... homo... normative... Earth?

    Psn:wazukki
    DasUberEdwardApothe0sis
  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    on a side note i am one "YOU MUST TELL CHAT X" away from pleading with @Jacobkosh to unban her

    i write amazing erotic fiction

    its all about anthropomorphic dicks doing everyday things like buying shoes for their scrotum-feet
    Winky wrote: »
    Corgis are totally the white people of dogs
  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Casual wrote: »
    sigh

    ok

    lets get this over with

    Cindy insists i tell you all that her junk is super smooth

    she won't stop asking and is monitoring the thread to make sure i do it

    Can you verify, or is this just like, second hand info?

    can confirm

    i write amazing erotic fiction

    its all about anthropomorphic dicks doing everyday things like buying shoes for their scrotum-feet
    Winky wrote: »
    Corgis are totally the white people of dogs
    Dark Raven Xemnmnme
  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
  • CasualCasual Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle Flap Flap Flap Registered User regular
    Overshare

    Cinders...

    you are oversharing

    apparently fong

    the truth will set you free

    i write amazing erotic fiction

    its all about anthropomorphic dicks doing everyday things like buying shoes for their scrotum-feet
    Winky wrote: »
    Corgis are totally the white people of dogs
    ronya
  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    I find myself jonesing for Doom. Or what I think Doom will be. This weekend I played the first half of the Battlefield 4 campaign, and had to quit in a state of great frustration. I tried a shotgun that I liked, and found it near impossible to use in most situations. Levels were populated with enemies a couple of cities away, poking my head out immediately took me to the red, and I could only regenerate my health by hiding behind cover. They gave me a bunch of mostly independent squad mates, who I could point at any set of enemies and they would more less take care of them. Why was I even there?

    This weekend I shall play The Old Blood.

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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
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    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
    CasualwazillaRegina Fongoverride367Chanus
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