Singer is, if nothing else, a consistent shining example of why academic freedom is important.
@MrMister
It feels strange to want to read and respond positively to comments on the internet.
I went and read the Barnes article as recommended and found no obvious link beyond the very general "disability is discussed".
I'm v opposed to shit that Tim Hunt said on a scientific basis because as a scientist he should present evidence for his claims other than the experiential. That being said, the attack on philosophers of late for doing philosophy is the dumbest goddamn shit and highlights why tenure is really damn important.
Read a good article by an anonymous author who was identified only as an adjunct professor at a large U.S. university (adjunct means no tenure for those not up on academia employment). He said that all his lectures are now prepared for the current environment where offending a student risks dismissal. This is a thing he agonizes over and loses sleep over because he needs his job. He also said other adjuncts he knows have the same fears.
Some people will find that great, as of course being offended is amongst the worst possible things. But consider that the line between being offended and being challenged is razor thin, varies from student to student, and for some students anything that challenges them is perceived as offensive. It is of course your right to take to the internet and attempt to get a mob going, which can cause not only dismissal of an unprotected professor but unemployability if a large enough stink is made.
And of course this offended student can be anyone. It needn't be a black, gay, or trans student. It can be a religious student (of any religion) a conservative student etc. None of these viewpoints can be safely challenged by an unprotected professor. It only takes one student to be super offended, take to the internet and get a dogpile going, and the university will drop you on your ass because you're an adjunct and they hired you into that position because you are pretty expendable.
So yes, tenure is super fucking important because we are quickly reaching the point where only tenured professors can say things that challenge students.
I think I read the same article. Was it on Vox?
The one I read went to great lengths to pin the blame on oversensitive students, even though it was obvious from the text that the crux of the issue is that adjunct professors are expendable.
The crux of the problem is most definitely employment protections (lack thereof). But oversensitive students are certainly a thing on the rise.
You can also walk the issue all the way back to universities becoming more and more businesslike (and costly) which in turn has made students more customer-like and less scholar-like.
Then you could blame the schools. But then can't you also walk the issue back even further and pin it on the government for not funding colleges in such a way that they don't have to operate like businesses?
(in any case, the author, regardless of his beef with whiny crybabby students, wasn't suggesting anything in the way of a solution that would deprive students of their right to be pissed about anything)
desc do you wanna meet somewhere and grab drinks in the next week or two?
yas
I'll PM you, Ill be back tomorrow indefinitely and I'm p free. I also have a car that won't fall apart almost immediately so we can figure something out!
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Deebaseron my way to work in a suit and a tieAhhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered Userregular
Singer is, if nothing else, a consistent shining example of why academic freedom is important.
@MrMister
It feels strange to want to read and respond positively to comments on the internet.
I went and read the Barnes article as recommended and found no obvious link beyond the very general "disability is discussed".
I'm v opposed to shit that Tim Hunt said on a scientific basis because as a scientist he should present evidence for his claims other than the experiential. That being said, the attack on philosophers of late for doing philosophy is the dumbest goddamn shit and highlights why tenure is really damn important.
Read a good article by an anonymous author who was identified only as an adjunct professor at a large U.S. university (adjunct means no tenure for those not up on academia employment). He said that all his lectures are now prepared for the current environment where offending a student risks dismissal. This is a thing he agonizes over and loses sleep over because he needs his job. He also said other adjuncts he knows have the same fears.
Some people will find that great, as of course being offended is amongst the worst possible things. But consider that the line between being offended and being challenged is razor thin, varies from student to student, and for some students anything that challenges them is perceived as offensive. It is of course your right to take to the internet and attempt to get a mob going, which can cause not only dismissal of an unprotected professor but unemployability if a large enough stink is made.
And of course this offended student can be anyone. It needn't be a black, gay, or trans student. It can be a religious student (of any religion) a conservative student etc. None of these viewpoints can be safely challenged by an unprotected professor. It only takes one student to be super offended, take to the internet and get a dogpile going, and the university will drop you on your ass because you're an adjunct and they hired you into that position because you are pretty expendable.
So yes, tenure is super fucking important because we are quickly reaching the point where only tenured professors can say things that challenge students.
I think I read the same article. Was it on Vox?
The one I read went to great lengths to pin the blame on oversensitive students, even though it was obvious from the text that the crux of the issue is that adjunct professors are expendable.
there can be more than one villian in a story.
*looks at student loan balance*
*flips table*
Deebaser on
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I've never heard of an adjunct being tenured, that's interesting. Regardless, it's kind of an aside to the point of the article which was no tenure = fear of offending a student = watering down your class so that no one can find anything offensive in it.
To be fair, then there's the flipside of "lol got tenure, fuck all'y'all Idgaf"
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
Singer is, if nothing else, a consistent shining example of why academic freedom is important.
@MrMister
It feels strange to want to read and respond positively to comments on the internet.
I went and read the Barnes article as recommended and found no obvious link beyond the very general "disability is discussed".
I'm v opposed to shit that Tim Hunt said on a scientific basis because as a scientist he should present evidence for his claims other than the experiential. That being said, the attack on philosophers of late for doing philosophy is the dumbest goddamn shit and highlights why tenure is really damn important.
Read a good article by an anonymous author who was identified only as an adjunct professor at a large U.S. university (adjunct means no tenure for those not up on academia employment). He said that all his lectures are now prepared for the current environment where offending a student risks dismissal. This is a thing he agonizes over and loses sleep over because he needs his job. He also said other adjuncts he knows have the same fears.
Some people will find that great, as of course being offended is amongst the worst possible things. But consider that the line between being offended and being challenged is razor thin, varies from student to student, and for some students anything that challenges them is perceived as offensive. It is of course your right to take to the internet and attempt to get a mob going, which can cause not only dismissal of an unprotected professor but unemployability if a large enough stink is made.
And of course this offended student can be anyone. It needn't be a black, gay, or trans student. It can be a religious student (of any religion) a conservative student etc. None of these viewpoints can be safely challenged by an unprotected professor. It only takes one student to be super offended, take to the internet and get a dogpile going, and the university will drop you on your ass because you're an adjunct and they hired you into that position because you are pretty expendable.
So yes, tenure is super fucking important because we are quickly reaching the point where only tenured professors can say things that challenge students.
I think I read the same article. Was it on Vox?
The one I read went to great lengths to pin the blame on oversensitive students, even though it was obvious from the text that the crux of the issue is that adjunct professors are expendable.
but its definitely the students
if im teaching a class about pensi i should be aloud to say what I WANT
A shooter on Macs is a dumb idea, and someone had to talk Bungie out of it. My teenage self spent countless sleepovers with friends, rigging Xboxes together to capture the flags and eat pizza until the sun rose on virgin faces. "Let's bring our Macs together to play some games, you guys" said no one ever. Macs are for music, and pretending to write.
It was never mac only. That's marathon. It was going to be Mac and PC, simultaneously.
That would've just been another game where you controlled your man using the same device that you used to type cover letters. Ew. What resulted was much better. The revolution. A shooter that worked on game controller made specifically for controlling games. Video games. Civilization.
I've never heard of an adjunct being tenured, that's interesting. Regardless, it's kind of an aside to the point of the article which was no tenure = fear of offending a student = watering down your class so that no one can find anything offensive in it.
To be fair, then there's the flipside of "lol got tenure, fuck all'y'all Idgaf"
This really isn't the problem that conservatives enjoy making it out to be.
I've never heard of an adjunct being tenured, that's interesting. Regardless, it's kind of an aside to the point of the article which was no tenure = fear of offending a student = watering down your class so that no one can find anything offensive in it.
To be fair, then there's the flipside of "lol got tenure, fuck all'y'all Idgaf"
This really isn't the problem that conservatives enjoy making it out to be.
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see also: voter fraud
Well, you're not talking to a conservative, you're talking to me
So I don't know what to tell you?
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
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surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
i remember halo 1 on the xbox controller
it felt like a big pensi in my hand and i looked at it and it looked at me and then
aw I missed socialism talk after kind of kicking it off
okay I just want to share an anecdote:
Seattle city council recently elected a women (Kshama Sawant) who's so socialist she's pushing communist*. It's actually kind of funny; voting in the seattle area is usually "which of these two slimeoids with vaguely liberal platforms will turn out to be the least corrupt and business-loving"--so when in turned out she was socialist in the council chambers and not just in the voter's pamphlet everyone was a bit surprised. She's the one who pushed to get Seattle a $15/hr min wage.
Anyway, when I was unemployed I was visiting my mom at her work. She was buying me lunch cause she's a super lady. I was milling around her desk and Sawant came up somehow. We were joking how amusing it was that the Seattle voters didn't exactly know how to feel about her, since we're not sure they actually meant to elect a raging socialist, just a run-of-the-mill liberal. I mentioned that it was nice to see an actual socialist in office, seeing as how the word has been so watered down and demonized.
One of my mom's coworkers overheard us and decided to join it. It was clear that she had no love Sawant. I was doing my best to be polite, until she dropped a line that left me speechless. She proclaimed "yeah, well, it's easy to be a socialist when your husband is a millionaire," then shot me a smug grin.
:rotate:
I tried to formulate some response along the lines of "do you know what socialism even is?" (letting the implied sexism go) before thinking better of it. I gave her a "mmm" and then my mom and I headed out to lunch.
*no really, she once semi-seriously advocated that Boeing's workers should literally seize the means of production. TBF Boeing are massive shitheels and the state would be better off if they left. Go let them exploit somewhere else.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I've never heard of an adjunct being tenured, that's interesting. Regardless, it's kind of an aside to the point of the article which was no tenure = fear of offending a student = watering down your class so that no one can find anything offensive in it.
To be fair, then there's the flipside of "lol got tenure, fuck all'y'all Idgaf"
This really isn't the problem that conservatives enjoy making it out to be.
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see also: voter fraud
Well, you're not talking to a conservative, you're talking to me
So I don't know what to tell you?
Maybe try backing it up with something?
Show that it is a problem, professors getting tenure and then slacking off? I haven't seen it myself. The vast majority of my university professors have been tenured and they are a really incredible group of people. I love my department.
The only real solution is to take our transactional relationship with education out into the street and shooting it in front of its family
i think it would be just swell if we could reform secondary school education to the point where having a high school diploma means more than you're old enough to vote/smoke/be in porn.
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MortiousThe Nightmare BeginsMove to New ZealandRegistered Userregular
Most adjuncts have to teach at a couple different schools at a time to make ends me.
Like a few at a comm college, one at local uni, etc
It's cheap for the schools, cause then there's one less full time salary/benefits person in their budget
but it's awful for the instructor, especially when you consider they have to have a masters at least, phd preferred to get in which means they've probably got some student loan debt
My terrible googling led me to this:
Assistant Lecturer $41,424
Lecturer $53,791
Senior Lecturer $70,544
Associate Professor $85,724
Professor (bottom of scale) $92,834
Which doesn't seem to bad.
If you're full time. Most adjuncts aren't. And they're often in debt up to their eyeballs because Amurrica.
I can't find any salary information on adjuncts then.
surrealitychecklonely, but not unloveddreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered Userregular
i am bed keep it real slags for all
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Is Guardians Halo 5? That one with the guy in the armour walking up to a downed Master Chief soliloquising about how he was supposed to save us and trying to sound all profound, but he actually sounds really fucking dumb?
A shooter on Macs is a dumb idea, and someone had to talk Bungie out of it. My teenage self spent countless sleepovers with friends, rigging Xboxes together to capture the flags and eat pizza until the sun rose on virgin faces. "Let's bring our Macs together to play some games, you guys" said no one ever. Macs are for music, and pretending to write.
It was never mac only. That's marathon. It was going to be Mac and PC, simultaneously.
That would've just been another game where you controlled your man using the same device that you used to type cover letters. Ew. What resulted was much better. The revolution. A shooter that worked on game controller made specifically for controlling games. Video games. Civilization.
had a friend back in the day who insisted on playing Duke Nukem 3D with a game controller made specifically for controlling games
the only positive thing I can say about his chosen controls scheme is that effortlessly killing him over and over never got old
mostly because every once in awhile he would suddenly drop from the game and then my phone would ring. Then he'd yell at me for a few minutes about how bullshit this was and then yell at me to start the game back up and slam the phone down
sooo the girl who has been my fuck buddy just ditched me for my high school crush. earth. please.
so, three way then?
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I find myself jonesing for Doom. Or what I think Doom will be. This weekend I played the first half of the Battlefield 4 campaign, and had to quit in a state of great frustration. I tried a shotgun that I liked, and found it near impossible to use in most situations. Levels were populated with enemies a couple of cities away, poking my head out immediately took me to the red, and I could only regenerate my health by hiding behind cover. They gave me a bunch of mostly independent squad mates, who I could point at any set of enemies and they would more less take care of them. Why was I even there?
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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The crux of the problem is most definitely employment protections (lack thereof). But oversensitive students are certainly a thing on the rise.
You can also walk the issue all the way back to universities becoming more and more businesslike (and costly) which in turn has made students more customer-like and less scholar-like.
Then you could blame the schools. But then can't you also walk the issue back even further and pin it on the government for not funding colleges in such a way that they don't have to operate like businesses?
(in any case, the author, regardless of his beef with whiny crybabby students, wasn't suggesting anything in the way of a solution that would deprive students of their right to be pissed about anything)
but they still dont get benefits and can be dropped like a bad hat at a moment's notice
horrible free market solution
I'll PM you, Ill be back tomorrow indefinitely and I'm p free. I also have a car that won't fall apart almost immediately so we can figure something out!
there can be more than one villian in a story.
*looks at student loan balance*
*flips table*
but all free market solutions are glorious
To be fair, then there's the flipside of "lol got tenure, fuck all'y'all Idgaf"
That would've just been another game where you controlled your man using the same device that you used to type cover letters. Ew. What resulted was much better. The revolution. A shooter that worked on game controller made specifically for controlling games. Video games. Civilization.
This really isn't the problem that conservatives enjoy making it out to be.
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see also: voter fraud
if you can call them that.
Well, you're not talking to a conservative, you're talking to me
So I don't know what to tell you?
it felt like a big pensi in my hand and i looked at it and it looked at me and then
for the love of god dont stop
okay I just want to share an anecdote:
Seattle city council recently elected a women (Kshama Sawant) who's so socialist she's pushing communist*. It's actually kind of funny; voting in the seattle area is usually "which of these two slimeoids with vaguely liberal platforms will turn out to be the least corrupt and business-loving"--so when in turned out she was socialist in the council chambers and not just in the voter's pamphlet everyone was a bit surprised. She's the one who pushed to get Seattle a $15/hr min wage.
Anyway, when I was unemployed I was visiting my mom at her work. She was buying me lunch cause she's a super lady. I was milling around her desk and Sawant came up somehow. We were joking how amusing it was that the Seattle voters didn't exactly know how to feel about her, since we're not sure they actually meant to elect a raging socialist, just a run-of-the-mill liberal. I mentioned that it was nice to see an actual socialist in office, seeing as how the word has been so watered down and demonized.
One of my mom's coworkers overheard us and decided to join it. It was clear that she had no love Sawant. I was doing my best to be polite, until she dropped a line that left me speechless. She proclaimed "yeah, well, it's easy to be a socialist when your husband is a millionaire," then shot me a smug grin.
:rotate:
I tried to formulate some response along the lines of "do you know what socialism even is?" (letting the implied sexism go) before thinking better of it. I gave her a "mmm" and then my mom and I headed out to lunch.
*no really, she once semi-seriously advocated that Boeing's workers should literally seize the means of production. TBF Boeing are massive shitheels and the state would be better off if they left. Go let them exploit somewhere else.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Maybe try backing it up with something?
Show that it is a problem, professors getting tenure and then slacking off? I haven't seen it myself. The vast majority of my university professors have been tenured and they are a really incredible group of people. I love my department.
What's your experience?
i think it would be just swell if we could reform secondary school education to the point where having a high school diploma means more than you're old enough to vote/smoke/be in porn.
I can't find any salary information on adjuncts then.
MAybe they don't get paid at all...
It’s not a very important country most of the time
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who hasnt she was a real slag
he seems to be exceptionally adept at doing whatever that is
He seems to be doing the thing my dogs do with balls because they don't play fetch, just keep-away.
Only he is fancier at it.
had a friend back in the day who insisted on playing Duke Nukem 3D with a game controller made specifically for controlling games
the only positive thing I can say about his chosen controls scheme is that effortlessly killing him over and over never got old
mostly because every once in awhile he would suddenly drop from the game and then my phone would ring. Then he'd yell at me for a few minutes about how bullshit this was and then yell at me to start the game back up and slam the phone down
so, three way then?
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
ok
lets get this over with
Cindy insists i tell you all that her junk is super smooth
she won't stop asking and is monitoring the thread to make sure i do it
I think I'll risk an agree here.
Can you verify, or is this just like, second hand info?
This... homo... normative... Earth?
can confirm
Cinders...
you are oversharing
apparently fong
the truth will set you free
This weekend I shall play The Old Blood.
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/32841876#Comment_32841876
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies