We would like to put forward that a distant isolated research facility seems like an overreaction.
But Argentina, we hear the UK has this great isolated island just going spare not doing much.
Also out of interest would it be too much to ask people to title who they are when making more serious/super game related posts? Would help thread readability a whole lot imo.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
You consented to the Antarctic Treaty as of June 23, 1961. So as far as the Argentine people are concerned, it should be isolated. There is no permanent settlement there, no dedicated party that could quickly form in reaction to this disease.
So unless Argentina is admitting to violating international law...
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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GumpyThere is alwaysa greater powerRegistered Userregular
Can any resolutions be proposed be PM'd to me in the same format as the Greek resolution so I know the final wording. If two countries send the same things with different wording, I'll put up the clearer one. If two countries send similar things but with different details, they both go up.
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These days, "distance" and "isolation" is all relative. Distance and isolation could only be beneficial in preventing interference from the disease, and is but a mild inconvenience to first world nations where even commercial cargo planes can make it from as far north as Moscow to the South Pole in 18-20 hours or so.
-Victor Heinrich, Chief Military Adviser to Germany
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The military of South Africa rejects and decries attempts to get The Thing up and running as soon as possible. I mean, you think isolated research stations are actually doing research? Our data indicates it's 32%trying to take over the world, 57% being overrun and eaten by monsters, and the remaining 12%boning because the researches are bored and fucking up the math.
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AssuranIs swinging on the SpiralRegistered Userregular
You consented to the Antarctic Treaty as of June 23, 1961. So as far as the Argentine people are concerned, it should be isolated. There is no permanent settlement there, no dedicated party that could quickly form in reaction to this disease.
So unless Argentina is admitting to violating international law...
My esteemed associate simply misspoke. I believe he was making reference to the fact Antarctica is geographically close to Argentina. We, of course, affirm the Antarctic Treaty of 1961 and agree that it is still one of the most isolated spots on the planet.
I see that the United Kingdom still refuses to acknowledge the historical situation on the Islas Malvinas. This is rather unfortunate as your proposals are not acceptable to the La República Argentina and smack of Imperialism.
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Hi I'm Vee!Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C ERegistered Userregular
The military of South Africa rejects and decries attempts to get The Thing up and running as soon as possible. I mean, you think isolated research stations are actually doing research? Our data indicates it's 32%trying to take over the world, 57% being overrun and eaten by monsters, and the remaining 12%boning because the researches are bored and fucking up the math.
To be fair, any research effort should include at least 12% boning.
Boning is important to the scientific method. It goes:
1. Observe
2. Hypothesize
3. Collect Data
4. Refine Hypotheses/Process
5. Collect Data
6. Refine
7. Collect
8. Refine
9. Bone
10. Collect
11. Refine
12. Collect
13. Bone
14. PROGRESS!
Particularly how much of this debate is just role playing/joking around and how much of it has actual gameplay ramifications
That said, financial stability in Europe seems important right now. It'd be terrible if greece's collapse had a domino effect that crippled other European nations and left them without the resources necessary to prevent the spread of the disease across their borders. Therefore, !Vote
Particularly how much of this debate is just role playing/joking around and how much of it has actual gameplay ramifications
That said, financial stability in Europe seems important right now. It'd be terrible if greece's collapse had a domino effect that crippled other European nations and left them without the resources necessary to prevent the spread of the disease across their borders. Therefore, !Vote
The only thing that has gameplay ramifications currently is the vote. Unless I am mistaken we can put forward referendums based on our discussion, but no one has done that yet.
Most of the mechanics are going to be orders from the teams and the results that has on the surrounding countries, I believe.
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We can propose new Resolutions to the UN, but we can not vote on them until the next session (and the proposal is given to the hosts). Right now, we only have the one proposal (Greece) to argue about.
Particularly how much of this debate is just role playing/joking around and how much of it has actual gameplay ramifications
That said, financial stability in Europe seems important right now. It'd be terrible if greece's collapse had a domino effect that crippled other European nations and left them without the resources necessary to prevent the spread of the disease across their borders. Therefore, !Vote
Basically anything in thread that isn't the voting has no gameplay effect.
Only the orders given at the end of the day will actually change the board state.
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Hi I'm Vee!Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C ERegistered Userregular
Particularly how much of this debate is just role playing/joking around and how much of it has actual gameplay ramifications
That said, financial stability in Europe seems important right now. It'd be terrible if greece's collapse had a domino effect that crippled other European nations and left them without the resources necessary to prevent the spread of the disease across their borders. Therefore, !Vote
Basically anything in thread that isn't the voting has no gameplay effect.
Only the orders given at the end of the day will actually change the board state.
Much of the discussion is game-relevant though, which I think is what he meant rather than mechanics.
I think the idea of signing game-relevant posts with your role and country is a good one.
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You consented to the Antarctic Treaty as of June 23, 1961. So as far as the Argentine people are concerned, it should be isolated. There is no permanent settlement there, no dedicated party that could quickly form in reaction to this disease.
So unless Argentina is admitting to violating international law...
My esteemed associate simply misspoke. I believe he was making reference to the fact Antarctica is geographically close to Argentina. We, of course, affirm the Antarctic Treaty of 1961 and agree that it is still one of the most isolated spots on the planet.
Correct. Iceland would also be acceptable. Hainan is acceptable, as well, if there is support for it outside the People's Republic of China. Argentina is on board with this proposal, we simply believe that establishing the center in another location than Hainan would be a good idea.
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I see that the United Kingdom still refuses to acknowledge the historical situation on the Islas Malvinas. This is rather unfortunate as your proposals are not acceptable to the La República Argentina and smack of Imperialism.
Positively smashing. Keep at your dreams, old boy! At this rate, you might make it onto a disillusioned American undergraduate's T-shirt in 40 years. Coincidentally, I know a brilliant photographer; I shall send you her contact information.
Respectfully yours,
Modern Major General Rutherford Woodhouse Billingsham III, Military Adjutant of England
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited July 2015
Minister Munkus, U.N. Delegate and Diplomat for the Russian Confederation has sent the following wire:
I am not seeing a real argument for why the world should be forced to burden what is clearly a EU problem. Spain's problem is much more relevant and pressing to the world right now. Rather than focusing our attention on an economic problem caused by Greek and EU agendas, we should focus on the true world problem.
We further submit that we should focus on where to place the W.H.O. research facility, why we should place it there, and how much funding each country should contribute.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Particularly how much of this debate is just role playing/joking around and how much of it has actual gameplay ramifications
That said, financial stability in Europe seems important right now. It'd be terrible if greece's collapse had a domino effect that crippled other European nations and left them without the resources necessary to prevent the spread of the disease across their borders. Therefore, !Vote
Vegeta, Prince of the Planet Vegeta, Ruler of the Saiya People, is also confused.
A cold climate such as Iceland may indeed be useful for researching disease, but as China is providing the primary funding for this research center, keeping it in Hainan also makes sense. We need to pick the best location based on practical, scientific concerns, not mere politics.
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Particularly how much of this debate is just role playing/joking around and how much of it has actual gameplay ramifications
That said, financial stability in Europe seems important right now. It'd be terrible if greece's collapse had a domino effect that crippled other European nations and left them without the resources necessary to prevent the spread of the disease across their borders. Therefore, !Vote
Vegeta, Prince of the Planet Vegeta, Ruler of the Saiya People, is also confused.
Each nation has an objective that they are trying to achieve. Each nation will be working to put itself into a stronger position that its competitors to achieve that objective. This will involve cooperating with some countries and perhaps conflict, both diplomatic and militarily, with others. Maybe even the same ones.
Each nation also has the objective of not being crushed under the weight of our populace's corpses. China is proposing an international institution to research this new disease. This could be an altruistic/pragmatic action, but China taking the lead may also provide some fringe benefits, such as having more influence in how the institution operates or how the research the institute completes is disseminated, that aid its personal objective.
AssuranIs swinging on the SpiralRegistered Userregular
edited July 2015
Right now, I have the official Greek vote total at:
For: Brazil, USA, Germany, Egypt
Against: Nigeria
Voicing support, but no vote: The UK
Voicing skepticism, but no vote yet: Argentina, Russia
Unknown stance: South Africa, China
I think this is correct and if I missed someone, it's not an intentional deception and I'd be happy to correct the error.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Russia would be willing to house the research facility and provide maintenance and access for W.H.O. personnel.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
A cold climate such as Iceland may indeed be useful for researching disease, but as China is providing the primary funding for this research center, keeping it in Hainan also makes sense. We need to pick the best location based on practical, scientific concerns, not mere politics.
The italicized portion much better matches your underlined conclusion than the bolded portion.
First of all, we haven't established the research center, or even drafted a resolution for it yet, so who's to say that China will be providing the primary funding? Secondly, if practical scientific concerns are your priority, considerations of climate and its effect on the disease should hold much more weight than "Well [country] gave the most money, so I guess they get to host the center."
-Victor Heinrich, Chief Military Adviser to Germany
Particularly how much of this debate is just role playing/joking around and how much of it has actual gameplay ramifications
That said, financial stability in Europe seems important right now. It'd be terrible if greece's collapse had a domino effect that crippled other European nations and left them without the resources necessary to prevent the spread of the disease across their borders. Therefore, !Vote
Vegeta, Prince of the Planet Vegeta, Ruler of the Saiya People, is also confused.
Each nation has an objective that they are trying to achieve. Each nation will be working to put itself into a stronger position that its competitors to achieve that objective. This will involve cooperating with some countries and perhaps conflict, both diplomatic and militarily, with others. Maybe even the same ones.
Each nation also has the objective of not being crushed under the weight of our populace's corpses. China is proposing an international institution to research this new disease. This could be an altruistic/pragmatic action, but China taking the lead may also provide some fringe benefits, such as having more influence in how the institution operates or how the research the institute completes is disseminated, that aid its personal objective.
A cold climate such as Iceland may indeed be useful for researching disease, but as China is providing the primary funding for this research center, keeping it in Hainan also makes sense. We need to pick the best location based on practical, scientific concerns, not mere politics.
The italicized portion much better matches your underlined conclusion than the bolded portion.
First of all, we haven't established the research center, or even drafted a resolution for it yet, so who's to say that China will be providing the primary funding? Secondly, if practical scientific concerns are your priority, considerations of climate and its effect on the disease should hold much more weight than "Well [country] gave the most money, so I guess they get to host the center."
-Victor Heinrich, Chief Military Adviser to Germany
I am considering the reality of the situation as it currently stands. China has taken the initiative and pledged 5 billion yuan already. If other nations can match their contribution, this discussion may change, but for now we are looking at a research station that is primarily staffed by Chinese people speaking Chinese languages using Chinese equipment. To that end, the money for this research could be spent significantly more efficiently if these people and equipment can stay in China rather than be moved to the other end of the world. Of course, the climate considerations may outweigh this, we will have to speak to our scientists to confirm that. But make no mistake, there are practical reasons for a Hainan-based base.
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GumpyThere is alwaysa greater powerRegistered Userregular
Yea the gameplay impact of these thread hyjinks is just going to be the results of the vote.
FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
edited July 2015
The honorable Geth knows the score, Minister Munkus.
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AssuranIs swinging on the SpiralRegistered Userregular
edited July 2015
If the UN vote is tied 5-5, what happens?
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
There is no referendum yet. And Russia believes that it can house a W.H.O. research station in a co-venture with China that is internationally staffed, internationally funded, but maintained and supplied by Russian and Chinese.
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I don't think we have an official referendum on a research station yet, hoodie.
There is no referendum yet. And Russia believes that it can house a W.H.O. research station in a co-venture with China that is internationally staffed, internationally funded, but maintained and supplied by Russian and Chinese.
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Antarctica is neither distant nor isolated as far as the Argentine people are concerned.
But Argentina, we hear the UK has this great isolated island just going spare not doing much.
Also out of interest would it be too much to ask people to title who they are when making more serious/super game related posts? Would help thread readability a whole lot imo.
Minister Munkus, U.N. Delegate and Diplomat for the Russian Confederation has sent the following wire:
So unless Argentina is admitting to violating international law...
-Victor Heinrich, Chief Military Adviser to Germany
My esteemed associate simply misspoke. I believe he was making reference to the fact Antarctica is geographically close to Argentina. We, of course, affirm the Antarctic Treaty of 1961 and agree that it is still one of the most isolated spots on the planet.
I see that the United Kingdom still refuses to acknowledge the historical situation on the Islas Malvinas. This is rather unfortunate as your proposals are not acceptable to the La República Argentina and smack of Imperialism.
To be fair, any research effort should include at least 12% boning.
Boning is important to the scientific method. It goes:
1. Observe
2. Hypothesize
3. Collect Data
4. Refine Hypotheses/Process
5. Collect Data
6. Refine
7. Collect
8. Refine
9. Bone
10. Collect
11. Refine
12. Collect
13. Bone
14. PROGRESS!
Particularly how much of this debate is just role playing/joking around and how much of it has actual gameplay ramifications
That said, financial stability in Europe seems important right now. It'd be terrible if greece's collapse had a domino effect that crippled other European nations and left them without the resources necessary to prevent the spread of the disease across their borders. Therefore, !Vote
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If you don't want to send researchers to a barren ice desert, why are you in favor of sending them to Iceland?
I mean, it's called ICEland. It's probably covered in ice, right?
Oh. Uh....hmm.
Look, whatever, if we want isolated but not icy, I think Greenland is the clear choice. With its lush green hills and--
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...fucking Vikings...
The only thing that has gameplay ramifications currently is the vote. Unless I am mistaken we can put forward referendums based on our discussion, but no one has done that yet.
Basically anything in thread that isn't the voting has no gameplay effect.
Only the orders given at the end of the day will actually change the board state.
Much of the discussion is game-relevant though, which I think is what he meant rather than mechanics.
I think the idea of signing game-relevant posts with your role and country is a good one.
Correct. Iceland would also be acceptable. Hainan is acceptable, as well, if there is support for it outside the People's Republic of China. Argentina is on board with this proposal, we simply believe that establishing the center in another location than Hainan would be a good idea.
Positively smashing. Keep at your dreams, old boy! At this rate, you might make it onto a disillusioned American undergraduate's T-shirt in 40 years. Coincidentally, I know a brilliant photographer; I shall send you her contact information.
Respectfully yours,
Modern Major General Rutherford Woodhouse Billingsham III, Military Adjutant of England
Chicago Megagame group
Watch me struggle to learn streaming! Point and laugh!
Vegeta, Prince of the Planet Vegeta, Ruler of the Saiya People, is also confused.
Each nation has an objective that they are trying to achieve. Each nation will be working to put itself into a stronger position that its competitors to achieve that objective. This will involve cooperating with some countries and perhaps conflict, both diplomatic and militarily, with others. Maybe even the same ones.
Each nation also has the objective of not being crushed under the weight of our populace's corpses. China is proposing an international institution to research this new disease. This could be an altruistic/pragmatic action, but China taking the lead may also provide some fringe benefits, such as having more influence in how the institution operates or how the research the institute completes is disseminated, that aid its personal objective.
For: Brazil, USA, Germany, Egypt
Against: Nigeria
Voicing support, but no vote: The UK
Voicing skepticism, but no vote yet: Argentina, Russia
Unknown stance: South Africa, China
I think this is correct and if I missed someone, it's not an intentional deception and I'd be happy to correct the error.
The italicized portion much better matches your underlined conclusion than the bolded portion.
First of all, we haven't established the research center, or even drafted a resolution for it yet, so who's to say that China will be providing the primary funding? Secondly, if practical scientific concerns are your priority, considerations of climate and its effect on the disease should hold much more weight than "Well [country] gave the most money, so I guess they get to host the center."
-Victor Heinrich, Chief Military Adviser to Germany
See, now I'm guessing this is where you lost him.
I am considering the reality of the situation as it currently stands. China has taken the initiative and pledged 5 billion yuan already. If other nations can match their contribution, this discussion may change, but for now we are looking at a research station that is primarily staffed by Chinese people speaking Chinese languages using Chinese equipment. To that end, the money for this research could be spent significantly more efficiently if these people and equipment can stay in China rather than be moved to the other end of the world. Of course, the climate considerations may outweigh this, we will have to speak to our scientists to confirm that. But make no mistake, there are practical reasons for a Hainan-based base.
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I would guess the motion fails.
Nope.
Signed the USA.