But she can't. Surfer specifically targets barriers, so while she can break a barrier as a code gate and make that work, she can't touch any non-barrier ICE without the same help everyone else needs. I'll give you that it is a benefit, but it's a pretty minor one, and they can then counter it by installing anything else afterwards.
The steps for surf anything tm are:
1) make them rez the outermost ice, don't die
2) if its not a barrier, make it one
3) surf it into the server
4) break it when you get there
Other shapers need a fracter, surfer, probably paintbrush, and potentially a killer or decoder to safely do (1)
Kit needs only a decoder, surfer, and probably paintbrush since the ice you surf in on will be both a code gate and a barrier as her ability is a 'gains'. Since shaper decoders are so efficient it will cost you less credits than using a fracter to boot. You can do it in any shaper, its more efficient and reliable in Kit.
Since Kit pressures the corp into multiple ice servers, you're also more likely to have an opportunity to use the combo.
Either you life the Jank Lyfe, or you play boring safe decks with no soul or style. (Probably my biggest beef with PPvP, really.)
To be fair, PPVP Kate had bags of style when it was first created - I don't think people had quite appreciated the amount of Shaper Bullshit(TM) that was available until she started breaking into 3-deep servers from an empty board while overwriting her own breakers along the way. And then doing it again the next turn.
It's because it's been around and dominant for so long that it now seems boring, which is pretty much the fate of any strong deck.
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Either you life the Jank Lyfe, or you play boring safe decks with no soul or style. (Probably my biggest beef with PPvP, really.)
To be fair, PPVP Kate had bags of style when it was first created - I don't think people had quite appreciated the amount of Shaper Bullshit(TM) that was available until she started breaking into 3-deep servers from an empty board while overwriting her own breakers along the way. And then doing it again the next turn.
It's because it's been around and dominant for so long that it now seems boring, which is pretty much the fate of any strong deck.
You either don't make the cut as a rogue or live long enough to see yourself become the new tier 1 deck.
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Oh, nice to see it's still swingin' even in a world with Film Critic. A Argus deck took home the win at the Polish nationals. Link.
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You know, maybe there's finally enough stuff to make Gagarin interesting. Universe of Tomorrow adds some cool stuff.
Also, if/when we get to rotation, I hope that first set is like a "ten years later" Genesis/spin cycle (they rotate out simultaneously right?). It would be kind of cool to see how things had moved forward in the Netrunner universe. Just get a couple cool rehashes and throwbacks like a grown up CT. Maybe Jackson Howard has moved on or gotten promoted. Maybe the E7 implants are just coming to market. Kati Jones now runs a fleet of drivers. I think that would be neat.
You know, maybe there's finally enough stuff to make Gagarin interesting. Universe of Tomorrow adds some cool stuff.
I agree, I think there might finally be a critical mass of "must trash" assets that are playable in Weyland that you can't just money up and hammer centrals against Gagarin and hope you'll win.
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I actually wonder if the next deluxe set will instead be a revamped core box.
We're all done with deluxe boxes unless they lied to us.
when did they say D&D would be the last?
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Their projected plan slide from some conference a while ago ended with D&D but showed future cycles. Also I think they've mentioned it in various literature about rotation.
I have one core set. I am willing to buy a limited number of more things to build up to two decks for each player type in order to try to talk some people into playing with me.
Can anyone recommend deck lists for this (preferably balanced)? Bearing in mind, again, the goal not of having perfect decks, but of inexpensively having a little more play flexibility while seeing if I can get others to play.
What is this I don't even.
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I have one core set. I am willing to buy a limited number of more things to build up to two decks for each player type in order to try to talk some people into playing with me.
Can anyone recommend deck lists for this (preferably balanced)? Bearing in mind, again, the goal not of having perfect decks, but of inexpensively having a little more play flexibility while seeing if I can get others to play.
Honestly you should be fine just playing with the core set if you don't know that you'll pursue a local scene/have people to play with. The core set has tons of game in it. Other than that, I would say just look at a deluxe expansion or two, or maybe just look around at some packs and see what seems cool to you. The problem is that you're so new that you have no idea what factions you like, which would be helpful.
Another look, but possibly the least sexy, is just buying another core set. Some of the best cards in the core set are just 1 or 2 ofs. This will give you a bit more latitude in deck building, and it's not a bad investment if you do get into the game, since many of the best cards in the game are still in the core set.
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Haarpsichord continues to be fun as hell. Watching someone's face as you score a Profiteering and zoom ahead by another twelve credits is delightful. Oh no they have 9 bad pub to spend on breaking ice you don't have. Got to watch the credit differential, but usually it's ok. PPVP Kate is a problem, but there isn't much of her about right now here. Noise/Faust is far more prevalent, and while he can get rich, he isn't as quick out of the blocks, which a means you can get a lead going that might enable you to just score and win.
I played against him a bunch when he was first unveiled, his ability was a massive jerk move. Kept cards flooding into your hand that you probably couldn't use at the moment and just clogs things up.
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The question is, does he actually hurt NBN fast advance, or help it? Because I'd think that's kind of a gamble right now ...
The question is, does he actually hurt NBN fast advance, or help it? Because I'd think that's kind of a gamble right now ...
I think in most cases he helps it, and Butchershop, and IG. It's a matchup dependent thing that will have to be used cleverly to ensure that it harms more than it hurts.
My worry is that in a tournament setting when you're not quite sure what kind of deck you're facing, it ends up being a bit of a gamble.
At the minimum, something to possibly look into for him is Woman in a Red Dress, since you know what exactly you are flushing into the corp's hand.
Plus it can get cards out of the way if you've got easy access to R&D to see even more cards. See what it is at the start of your turn, run R&D, if it's something you want to steal take it, if it isn't kick it to HQ and access what's under it.
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WitRD is one of those problem cards that costs more than twice as much influence as it should. Fisk is the first runner that might actually want to use it, and it's just insane to put it out.
Maybe I'll try something silly with him going for Medium deep digs. You can force-draw cards out of the way and use the central breakers' efficiency to kick out in the early game? I don't know that he's as good as Leela, but he could be a nice change anyway.
I am currently trying out Geist + medium + fisk seminar. I haven't played enough games to say if it has any legs.
I also want to try out keyhole in Geist, and mainly target economy cards to help with the account shipon lock.
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Valencia+WNP+Paparazzi+DLR decks are a thing! Played one tonight and mostly dominated. Biggest counter is Corporate Town - ran into that randomly and got rekt. Second biggest counter is Jinteki with bluffing games. Would either stand up to Noise or Kate? Unclear, but this deck has legs.
Also I still contend that Film Critic is stupid in how much it just turns off.
Councilman seems super good. Turn off Jackson, caprice, ash. So many cards it can be awesome against.
ehhhh like Drive By, it's too easy to play around
I like Political Operative a lot more
others: Nero seems okay, but his console will probably see more play than he will
an MU and a link on one card for two, with an ability that will sometimes matter?
yeah, I'll take that for Geist
You're forgetting that card's major drawback which it shares with all others of its type
It's not Desperado
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It's different enough to justify it. Those are some pretty good benefits for the price in Criminal decks that don't always want to run, which exist. Like, seriously, it has teeth, that one.
it took me like five hours (partially because I fucked up halfway through and had to redo a bunch of it)
totally worth it
now if only there were any decks I wanted to build
I'm not looking to start The Great Binder vs. Not Binder flame war, but here's something I don't understand: do you not have to redo everything every time a new pack comes out? Unless you store them in release date order, I suppose.
it took me like five hours (partially because I fucked up halfway through and had to redo a bunch of it)
totally worth it
now if only there were any decks I wanted to build
I'm not looking to start The Great Binder vs. Not Binder flame war, but here's something I don't understand: do you not have to redo everything every time a new pack comes out? Unless you store them in release date order, I suppose.
You order them by type, and each new card bumps one card up by one, but since you ordered them by type you only have to bump one card at the front of a type to now be the last card of that type.
it took me like five hours (partially because I fucked up halfway through and had to redo a bunch of it)
totally worth it
now if only there were any decks I wanted to build
I'm not looking to start The Great Binder vs. Not Binder flame war, but here's something I don't understand: do you not have to redo everything every time a new pack comes out? Unless you store them in release date order, I suppose.
You order them by type, and each new card bumps one card up by one, but since you ordered them by type you only have to bump one card at the front of a type to now be the last card of that type.
Does that mean there's no organization within each type? I'm sorry if this is a really daft question - I'm struggling to get my head around it!
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The steps for surf anything tm are:
1) make them rez the outermost ice, don't die
2) if its not a barrier, make it one
3) surf it into the server
4) break it when you get there
Other shapers need a fracter, surfer, probably paintbrush, and potentially a killer or decoder to safely do (1)
Kit needs only a decoder, surfer, and probably paintbrush since the ice you surf in on will be both a code gate and a barrier as her ability is a 'gains'. Since shaper decoders are so efficient it will cost you less credits than using a fracter to boot. You can do it in any shaper, its more efficient and reliable in Kit.
Since Kit pressures the corp into multiple ice servers, you're also more likely to have an opportunity to use the combo.
To be fair, PPVP Kate had bags of style when it was first created - I don't think people had quite appreciated the amount of Shaper Bullshit(TM) that was available until she started breaking into 3-deep servers from an empty board while overwriting her own breakers along the way. And then doing it again the next turn.
It's because it's been around and dominant for so long that it now seems boring, which is pretty much the fate of any strong deck.
You either don't make the cut as a rogue or live long enough to see yourself become the new tier 1 deck.
really back-to-basics, I like it a lot
Noise: Hacker Extraordinaire (Core Set)
Event (9)
3x Déjà Vu (Core Set)
3x I've Had Worse (Order and Chaos)
3x Sure Gamble (Core Set)
Hardware (4)
2x Clone Chip (Creation and Control) ••••
2x Grimoire (Core Set)
Resource (9)
3x Aesop's Pawnshop (Core Set) ••••• •
3x Daily Casts (Creation and Control)
3x Earthrise Hotel (The Source)
Icebreaker (6)
2x Corroder (Core Set)
1x Faust (The Underway)
2x Mimic (Core Set)
1x ZU.13 Key Master (What Lies Ahead) ••
Program (17)
3x Cache (The Spaces Between) •••
3x Datasucker (Core Set)
3x Gravedigger (Order and Chaos)
3x Imp (What Lies Ahead)
2x Medium (Core Set)
3x Parasite (Core Set)
15 influence spent (max 15)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Underway
Deck built on NetrunnerDB.
I'd really like to find room for a couple cyberfeeders, so I'll probably go down to two Deja Vu and two Gravedigger
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Also, if/when we get to rotation, I hope that first set is like a "ten years later" Genesis/spin cycle (they rotate out simultaneously right?). It would be kind of cool to see how things had moved forward in the Netrunner universe. Just get a couple cool rehashes and throwbacks like a grown up CT. Maybe Jackson Howard has moved on or gotten promoted. Maybe the E7 implants are just coming to market. Kati Jones now runs a fleet of drivers. I think that would be neat.
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I agree, I think there might finally be a critical mass of "must trash" assets that are playable in Weyland that you can't just money up and hammer centrals against Gagarin and hope you'll win.
We're all done with deluxe boxes unless they lied to us.
when did they say D&D would be the last?
Can anyone recommend deck lists for this (preferably balanced)? Bearing in mind, again, the goal not of having perfect decks, but of inexpensively having a little more play flexibility while seeing if I can get others to play.
Honestly you should be fine just playing with the core set if you don't know that you'll pursue a local scene/have people to play with. The core set has tons of game in it. Other than that, I would say just look at a deluxe expansion or two, or maybe just look around at some packs and see what seems cool to you. The problem is that you're so new that you have no idea what factions you like, which would be helpful.
Another look, but possibly the least sexy, is just buying another core set. Some of the best cards in the core set are just 1 or 2 ofs. This will give you a bit more latitude in deck building, and it's not a bad investment if you do get into the game, since many of the best cards in the game are still in the core set.
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my gut tells me he's just kinda medicore right now, like Geist, but that's also what I thought about Leela and we can see how that turned out
I'd try him myself but my game store still doesn't have universe of tomorrow
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I think in most cases he helps it, and Butchershop, and IG. It's a matchup dependent thing that will have to be used cleverly to ensure that it harms more than it hurts.
My worry is that in a tournament setting when you're not quite sure what kind of deck you're facing, it ends up being a bit of a gamble.
Plus it can get cards out of the way if you've got easy access to R&D to see even more cards. See what it is at the start of your turn, run R&D, if it's something you want to steal take it, if it isn't kick it to HQ and access what's under it.
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Maybe I'll try something silly with him going for Medium deep digs. You can force-draw cards out of the way and use the central breakers' efficiency to kick out in the early game? I don't know that he's as good as Leela, but he could be a nice change anyway.
Perhaps I can interest you in my meager selection of pins?
just committing too heavily to your ability for what it gives you
I also want to try out keyhole in Geist, and mainly target economy cards to help with the account shipon lock.
Also I still contend that Film Critic is stupid in how much it just turns off.
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/9/11/democracy-and-dogma/
Cool ideas though, that current has the best card name since It's a Trap!
Nero seems interesting as well, with his panic button escape from a run if he meets something deadly.
I wanna see what that new Weyland grid is in that card fan, dangit.
Akshara feels... like a bad plan, unless you've got ready access to Clot to keep them from scoring out 3-advance agendas from hand.
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I like Political Operative a lot more
others: Nero seems okay, but his console will probably see more play than he will
an MU and a link on one card for two, with an ability that will sometimes matter?
yeah, I'll take that for Geist
You're forgetting that card's major drawback which it shares with all others of its type
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Nero + Reflection makes me think he's going to be the criminal who can play Au Revoir the best. Gain credits and see what the corp has in hand? Sure!
Political Operative gives a solid, splashable answer to Caprice, Ash, Batty, and Jackson. I expect it to be a 2-of in a lot of lists.
it took me like five hours (partially because I fucked up halfway through and had to redo a bunch of it)
totally worth it
now if only there were any decks I wanted to build
I'm not looking to start The Great Binder vs. Not Binder flame war, but here's something I don't understand: do you not have to redo everything every time a new pack comes out? Unless you store them in release date order, I suppose.
You order them by type, and each new card bumps one card up by one, but since you ordered them by type you only have to bump one card at the front of a type to now be the last card of that type.
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Does that mean there's no organization within each type? I'm sorry if this is a really daft question - I'm struggling to get my head around it!