Super Smash Brotherhood: Whoa! What is this?!?

Clint Eastwood · October 2007

Update - 10/26/07
King DeDeDe: Special Moves

Up Special Move: Super DeDeDe Jump

Look! That's a serious jump!

And he lands HARD!

King Dededeâ€™s great jump is his speciality! But he doesnâ€™t have much freedom while jumping, and his vulnerability when he lands is pretty significant.
That said, if things look bad, just tap down on the Control Stick.

You can flip over and cancel it in mid-air.

However, if you try to cancel just before landing, youâ€™ll make a fool of yourself, and youâ€™ll be vulnerable for even longer, so watch out.

Side Special Move: Waddle Dee Toss

Just throw them out there.

He pulls out Waddle Dees from who knows where and throws them. The Waddle Dees then waddle around afterwards.

Occasionally a Waddle Doo appears...

...and Gordo too.

Down Special Move: Jet Hammer

This time, King Dededeâ€™s hammer is actually mechanised. The headâ€™s rotation is powered by a motor.
And it can do this.

Whoa! What is this?!?

If you hold down the Control Stick and the special-move button simultaneously, you can charge up his hammer. And you can unleash it in one blow!

The power of the jet multiplies the destructive force!

You can even walk around with it charged up, but you canâ€™t save the charge by pressing the shield button. Also, if you charge it up too much, it will increase your own damage, so be careful.
E for All - New Gaming Event

Our first gameplay video posted courtesy of Faustum. Another gameplay video, also courtesy of Faustum.

FINAL SMASH COMPILATION VIDEO. Hooray Faustum!

Joshua368 found a fuckton of videos, most of which are recent.

Zec posted an adventure mode preview showing off Donkey and Diddy Kong.

StriderEdge posted an adventure mode preview showing off Kirby and Peach.

Cloudeagle posts yet another adventure mode preview showing off Pit and Mario.

Faustum posts a final adventure mode preview called Worlds Collide featuring Wario

InvisibleInk posted this interesting article: Nintendo World Reports Impressions of the E for All demo

Ultrachrist found an Official E for All Firsthand Impressions Thread put together by SmashBoards

Four Ways To Play:

Note: Each method is fully customizable so that you can map all of the controller functions yourself.

Known Returning Characters:

New Characters:

The Missing:

Missing characters from SSB and SSBM

Jigglypuff
Luigi
Captain Falcon
Ness

Gannondorf
Marth
Roy
Game and Watch
Mewtwo
Young Link
Dr. Mario
Pichu
Falco

Interesting Fact: All of these characters have one thing in common: They were all hidden characters in their respective games. None of the returning characters so far were locked when you first started up the two games.

Final Smashes:

Mario - Mario Finale

Link - Triforce Slash

Pikachu - Volt Tackle

Samus - Zero Laser

Bowser - Giga Bowser Transformation

Donkey Kong - Konga Beat

Yoshi - Super Dragon

Pit - Palutena's Army

Diddy - Rocketbarrel Barrage

Pokemon Trainer - Triple Finish

Fox - Landmaster

Kirby - Cook Kirby

Peach - Peach Blossom

New Toys:

Crates and Barrels: What better to start with than basics. These item containers have been revamped to support the themes of certain levels.

Assist Trophy: This is the Pokeball of the Nintendo Universe. Any kind of cameo you could think of comes from within...

Known Assist trophies:

Hammer Bros.

Nintendog

Samurai Goroh

Dr. Wright

Knuckle Joe

Devil

Andross-retro

Lyn

Mr. Resetti

Excitebike

Lakitu

Little Mac

Pokeball: An all-time favorite which still randomly gives you a pokemon to cause massive destruction with.

Known Pokemon:

Chikorita

Goldeen

Groudon

Deoxys

Munchlax

Piplup

Meowth

Gooey Bomb: The Gooey Bomb acts as a sticky Remote Mine. While stuck to a character, it can be passed back after making contact with another player.

Cracker Launcher: This projectile launcher isn't as racist as it sounds. It might be more recognizable as a 'Roman Candle'. We saw it briefly in the short clip from Min-E3.

Banana Peel: Because Cliche's work.

Bumper: A return from the 64, relatable to Melee's Flipper item. A new twist leaves this possible to plant mid-air.

Pitfall: The item from Animal Crossing. Surprisingly, it caries its ability from Animal Crossing over very well. Simply making characters fall thru holes or thru platforms.

Smoke Ball: An original item, soley based on obscurity. This item deals no damage, but rather actually just blinds the player from the screen.

Franklin Badge: Debuting from the Mother Series (Earthbound), this relates to Fox's Reflector, like the Screw Attack Ball relates to Samus' Screw Attack. Basically, it reflects projectiles.

Spicy Curry: When a Fire Flower just can't suit your flaming needs.

Golden Hammer: A coat of paint works wonders.

Announced Stages:

Battlefield (Smash Bros.):

Delfino Plaza (Mario Sunshine):

Yoshi's Island (Yoshi's Island):

Lylat Cruise (Starfox):

Bridge to Eldin (Legend of Zelda):

Smashville (Animal Crossing):

Rumble Falls (Donkey Kong):

Skyworld (Kid Icarus):

Castle Seige (Fire Emblem):

WarioWare Ince. (WarioWare)

Pokemon Stadium 2 (Pokemon)

Battleship Halberd (Kirby)

Shadow Moses Island (Metal Gear Solid)

New Pork City (Earthbound)

Such Pretty Music:

First, a giant list of composers, accompanied by the new Menu Music:

Menu Theme

Now just some small clips to some music samples we've been given:

Yoshi's Story: Ending

Metroid: Ridley Battle

Ocarina of Time Medly

Star Fox: Space Armada

Kid Icarus: Underworld

Animal Crossing: Go K.K. Rider

Pokemon Stadium/Evolution

SSBB Theme Song

Metal Gear: MGS4 Love Theme

WarioWare: Ashleyâ€™s Theme

WarioWare: Ashleyâ€™s Theme (Japanese Version)

Series Represented:

So far, we've been given a list of series that have been represented, but as we get this list, its come to us out of order. We currently have gaps as shown:

1. Smash Brothers
2. Donkey Kong
3. StarFox
4. Kirby
5. F-Zero
6. Metroid
7. EarthBound/Mother
8. Pokemon
9. Zelda
10. Mario
11. Yoshi
12. Fire Emblem
13. ???
14. Ice Climbers
15. Animal Crossing
16. Wario
17. Metal Gear
18. Kid Icarus
19. ???
20. Sonic the Hedgehog
21. Nintendo DS

*21 Is the highest number we're aware of, it in no way indicates that it is the final number

Another Interesting Fact: By smash tradition, there has never been a stage from a game without a character from that series representing this. That and an interview on the subject lead many to believe that an Animal Crossing character is all but confirmed.

However the Pictochat stage has thrown a monkey wrench into this theory! This is because Sakurai is insane.

Discussion (Read: Bitchings)

These are some things to expect in regards to the updates. The type of updated listed, and the expected discussion that can follow.

Music update - Next day spent argueing about MIDI files vs Orchestrated.

Item update - Someone inevitably pisses off the competitve players with the "Why no items" arguement. Other than that, everyone is generally happy.

B Moves update - People are generally meh about this towards returning characters, pretty happy about it towards new characters.

Final Smash update - 1 of 2 updates that have universal appeal. Except Diddy apparently.

New/Old Character update - Pretty cool to see old characters revamped. Pretty awesome to see brand new characters.

Stage update - Next day spent arguing about gimmick levels vs. Battlefield/Final Destination.

Tutorial update - Boring tutorials, but spectacular mode discussions.

Movie update - Dicks cumming, all of them, simultaneously, with super mushroom power-ups.

Super Secret Tourney Stuff

SUPER SECRET ELITE FIRST PA BRAWL TOURNAMENT EVER SIGN UP LIST:
(PM Nickle if you're in. Let's see if we can get this up to 128. Include your state (or Large Canadian State), please.)

1. Nickle IL
2. Guek WA
3. BlueBlue MS
4. Speakeasy CA
5. TempleWolf MN
6. quovadis13 ON, CA
7. cloudeagle OK
8. Joshua368 SC
9. Djiem Canada somewhere, I think
11. Redfenix
12. Mntorankusu KY
13. Ronen NY
14. Phanman
15. Pata
16. shyguy NY
17. Sharp10r NC
18. LordNibbler NY
19. ruiisu FL
20. Behemoth WA
21. Bulbasaur ON, CA
22. MetaHybrid ON, CA
23. willmannyeatthat MA
24. ArcSyn NJ
25. Munkus Beaver
26. Shabutie CA
27. Brue CA
28. Arcibi KY
29. Squashua FL
30. urahonky OH
31. Aydr WA
32. Faustum TX
33. Fishguy NM
34. Khavall PA
35. Improvolone FL
36. Goatmon CA
37. Niceguyeddie616 MA
38. Reigner PA
39. Gino WI
40. Zealous One CA
41. Woot427 IL
42. Monsty ND
43. Gunwarrior (Maybe) CA
44. Taramoor WA
45. Captain Crunch BC, CA
46. Gorilla Salad TX
47. Snork CT/PA
48. Jrosey WA
49. Tehcoolryan CA
50. Atheraal
51. Toothy KY
52. JLM-AWP
53. Zimarooski TX
54. Yalborap
55. Jarhog
56. Rehab NE
57. Rollout MTL, QC, CA
58. Gravija IL
59. Aioua WA
60. Hylianbunny ON, CA
61. SkyGheNe CT
62. BahamutZERO CA
63. Vann Diras IN
64. No Great Name East Coast
65. AshtonDragon NL, CA
66. Bibble TN
67. InivisibleInk OR
68. aaronsedge AR
69. Mushroom Pie
70. Greg343 KS
71. Corp.Shephard NC
72. Kupi NC
73. Kor NM
74. TehSpectre
75. JustinChar99 FL
76. Godfather TX
77. Zen Vulgarity FL
78. Manetheren AL
79. mts CA
80. RedMageDarion ME
81. Tachyon CO
82. Zampano NH
83. Zek NJ
84. Inquisitor CA
85. Manaleak34 WA
86. Cloudman MO
87. mr_ekim CA
88. Ruins MD
89. ChopperDave
90. Qorzm CA
91. CaspianX CA
92. Fig-D CA
93. Spoof
94. Mtvcdm WI
95. Dusda OR
96. Geod VA
97. Red Gear NY

Ruins · October 2007

Hello new thread.

Tonight: Bowser's Castle from Paper Mario as a level.

Clint Eastwood · October 2007

Thanks to Kor, XoB, and others for their contributions.

And speaking of contributions . . .

__________________________________________________________________________________________________

Forumer Contributions:

This section of the opening post will be dedicated to any forumer contributions made to this thread by way of creating something that will be helpful for organizing online play, the setup thereof, or sharing pertinent information such as user names and friend codes. In addition to this, there is now a portion explaining more advanced Smash terminology as well.

The Penny Arcade Super Smash Brothers Brawl Online Tournament List!

This is all organized courtesy of Nickle. There are still plenty of spots available here if you want to sign up.

About that:

Captain Crunch wrote: »

When is the tournament going to start? Like on [strike]Dec. 3rd[/strike] February 10th or a while after it comes out?

Ruins wrote: »

I think it was a week or two after the game comes out. To let everyone get techniques down.

Nickle wrote: »

I think we're a little better off now, actually, than when it was coming out near the holidays. I think probably about a week or two after. Maybe two saturdays after release? I dunno.

There be secret things in progress behind the scenes, right now, so we'll see where we end up by then.

And here is the tournament list itself:

SUPER SECRET ELITE FIRST PA BRAWL TOURNAMENT EVER SIGN UP LIST: (PM me if you're in. Let's see if we can get this up to 128. Include your state (or Large Canadian State), please.)

1. Nickle IL
2. Guek WA
3. BlueBlue MS
4. Speakeasy CA
5. TempleWolf MN
6. quovadis13 ON, CA
7. cloudeagle OK
8. Joshua368 SC
9. Djiem Canada somewhere, I think
11. Redfenix
12. Mntorankusu KY
13. Ronen NY
14. Phanman
15. Pata
16. shyguy NY
17. Sharp10r NC
18. LordNibbler NY
19. ruiisu FL
20. Behemoth WA
21. Bulbasaur ON, CA
22. MetaHybrid ON, CA
23. willmannyeatthat MA
24. ArcSyn NJ
25. Munkus Beaver
26. Shabutie CA
27. Brue CA
28. Arcibi KY
29. Squashua FL
30. urahonky OH
31. Aydr WA
32. Faustum TX
33. Fishguy NM
34. Khavall PA
35. Improvolone FL
36. Goatmon CA
37. Niceguyeddie616 MA
38. Reigner PA
39. Gino WI
40. Zealous One CA
41. Woot427 IL
42. Monsty ND
43. Gunwarrior (Maybe) CA
44. Taramoor WA
45. Captain Crunch BC, CA
46. Gorilla Salad TX
47. Snork CT/PA
48. Jrosey WA
49. Tehcoolryan CA
50. Atheraal
51. Toothy KY
52. JLM-AWP
53. Zimarooski TX
54. Yalborap
55. Jarhog
56. Rehab NE
57. Rollout MTL, QC, CA
58. Gravija IL
59. Aioua WA
60. Hylianbunny ON, CA
61. SkyGheNe CT
62. BahamutZERO CA
63. Vann Diras IN
64. No Great Name East Coast
65. AshtonDragon NL, CA
66. Bibble TN
67. InivisibleInk OR
68. aaronsedge AR
69. Mushroom Pie
70. Greg343 KS
71. Corp.Shephard NC
72. Kupi NC
73. Kor NM
74. TehSpectre
75. JustinChar99 FL
76. Godfather TX
77. Zen Vulgarity FL
78. Manetheren AL
79. mts CA
80. RedMageDarion ME
81. Tachyon CO
82. Zampano NH
83. Zek NJ
84. Inquisitor CA
85. Manaleak34 WA
86. Cloudman MO
87. Mr_ekim CA
88. Ruins MD
89. ChopperDave (state needed)
90. Qorzm CA
91. CaspianX CA
92. Fig-D CA
93. Spoof (state needed)
94. mtvcdm WI

Smash Brothers Community Terminology, Parts 1 and 2

Brought to you by Chopper Dave. Very thorough look at advanced Smash terms.

About that:

ChopperDave wrote: »

Whew, that took way longer than I thought it would

I wrote the first part of this guide myself, hopefully it does a decent enough job describing some of the most-confused terms. The other, lesser important terms I just lifted from a thread in Smashboards.

It's...long, so I've split it up over two posts. The first part is all most of you will want to read, anyway, the second part (from Smashboards) has got a lot of specific, kind of unnecessary terms. I deleted some of the MOST superfluous ones (BYOC = bring your own controller, for example :roll:), but for the most part it remains intact. By the way, if there's any terms I forgot to add or didn't describe effeciently, please let me know.

Without further ado...:

Part 1

To access Part 1, CLICK HERE!

Part 2

To access Part 2, CLICK HERE!

Here is something that could be seen as Part 3 of the Smash Bros Terminology. It goes over common misconceptions about tournament players and seeks to help end the SmashBoards versus casual play arguments which always seem to pop up in these threads. Everyone should take a look at these discussions:

Chopper Dave talks about the Penny Arcade/SmashBoards feud

More talk about the competitive community by Chopper Dave

Joshua368 who is also a member of SmashBoards tries to straighten things out

Customizable signatures that display user names and friend codes.

And last but not least, here is something that mntorankusu and Geod have been working on.

About that:

Zek wrote:

It would be awesome if somebody wrote up a sig generator that puts your name/code on there, with a version for each character.

mntorankusu wrote:

That would be lovely. I wish I knew how to do that.

I can totally provide all of the source images if someone wants to do it.

mntorankusu wrote:

Update (and to bring this topic back from page 2): Geod and I are working on the Brawl sig generator.

mntorankusu wrote: »

Update on the WIP sig generator.

Geod added the ability to change the background color. Now all you dudes who wanted them to be unique for each character will be able to just change the background color to match.

And here is what they look like:

mntorankusu wrote:

This was my first time making the OP. Please be gentle (lots of lube).

plufim · October 2007

Holy shit, I just realised something that probably everyone else already knew - but that image of Kirby, Metaknight and King Deedee shows the first kirby hat so far - King DeeDee Kirby.

DekuStick · October 2007

King Dededot.

Behemoth · October 2007

Mr. Game an- wait a sec, there was a new character last night. Hmm, Dedede's something - B moves, final smash, music, stage, something.

Speed Racer · October 2007

Tonight I'm guessing something that was announced at E for All, possibly Norfair.

plufim · October 2007

Since Dedede's B moves are taken, I'm going to go with a kirby-based music update.

Kor · October 2007

I'm expecting something a bit more "boring" tonight. Like 'You can map your buttons' or 'Carry your profile in your Wiimote'.

Clint Eastwood · October 2007

Can we try to avoid blue dot posts folks. Maybe? It's silly.

BlueBlue · October 2007

I'm going to stick with the safe prediction of Dedede's special moves.

quovadis13 · October 2007

We are going through these Smash threads waaaay too fast. We have to cut down on our usage before Global Warming consumes us all.

Dusda · October 2007

I must admit I did not see King Dedede coming. Like, I once considered an 'eat my cock' sort of quote about it.

Speed Racer · October 2007

quovadis13 wrote: »

We are going through these Smash threads waaaay too fast. We have to cut down on our usage before Global Warming consumes us all.

We should start keeping track of how many we go through.

Brue · October 2007

I am guessing for tonight, DeDeDe's B moves... makes sense.

Speed Racer · October 2007

Dusda wrote: »

I must admit I did not see King Dedede coming. Like, I once considered an 'eat my cock' sort of quote about it.

Why? I mean, He's Kirby's Bowser.

quovadis13 · October 2007

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

quovadis13 wrote: »

We are going through these Smash threads waaaay too fast. We have to cut down on our usage before Global Warming consumes us all.

We should start keeping track of how many we go through.

We are going to run out of numbers

BlueBlue · October 2007

Dusda wrote: »

I must admit I did not see King Dedede coming. Like, I once considered an 'eat my cock' sort of quote about it.

There's still time if you want to make one for Ridley.

Daedalus · October 2007

Dammit, so when are they going to finally confirm Ganondorf already?

I mean, it sucks because we know there's not going to be another character this week.

(also eat, cock, Pichu, etc. etc.)

elevature · October 2007

I predict Samus' b-moves.

Kuribo's Shoe · October 2007

I predict King Dedede's moves or stage.

Dr.Funkenstein · October 2007

Daedalus wrote: »

Dammit, so when are they going to finally confirm Ganondorf already?

I mean, it sucks because we know there's not going to be another character this week.

(also eat, cock, Pichu, etc. etc.)

http://zeldapower.com/index.php/site_updates/site_updates/sheik_&_ganondorf_in_ssbb_loz_ost_site_polls.php

Mgslee · October 2007

Dedede's music or Stage would be great
After watching that youtube link of all the Dedede fights I can't wait to here a Brawl remixed and orchestrated version

Daedalus · October 2007

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

Dusda wrote: »

I must admit I did not see King Dedede coming. Like, I once considered an 'eat my cock' sort of quote about it.

Why? I mean, He's Kirby's Bowser.

Kirby doesn't really have a set Bowser character.

If anything, he's Kirby's Wario. Or something. I dunno. But he isn't even usually the villian. In fact, I thought Kirby villians were usually one-offs or something? Even Metaknight is usually shown as more of an honorable rival.

Daedalus · October 2007

tehcoolryan wrote: »

Daedalus wrote: »

Dammit, so when are they going to finally confirm Ganondorf already?

I mean, it sucks because we know there's not going to be another character this week.

(also eat, cock, Pichu, etc. etc.)

http://zeldapower.com/index.php/site_updates/site_updates/sheik_&_ganondorf_in_ssbb_loz_ost_site_polls.php

That was the worst site design I've seen since 1999.

Also old news.

I mean, we know Ganondorf is going to be in the game; I just want confirmation that they didn't fuck it up by making him a slower version of Captain Falcon or something.

Dusda · October 2007

BlueBlue wrote: »

Dusda wrote: »

I must admit I did not see King Dedede coming. Like, I once considered an 'eat my cock' sort of quote about it.

There's still time if you want to make one for Ridley.

I'm not nearly that confident. I like my wang.

TehSpectre · October 2007

New Stage: Threed pops tonight.

It's time.

Dr.Funkenstein · October 2007

Daedalus wrote: »

tehcoolryan wrote: »

Daedalus wrote: »

Dammit, so when are they going to finally confirm Ganondorf already?

I mean, it sucks because we know there's not going to be another character this week.

(also eat, cock, Pichu, etc. etc.)

http://zeldapower.com/index.php/site_updates/site_updates/sheik_&_ganondorf_in_ssbb_loz_ost_site_polls.php

That was the worst site design I've seen since 1999.

Also old news.

I mean, we know Ganondorf is going to be in the game; I just want confirmation that they didn't fuck it up by making him a slower version of Captain Falcon or something.

Well I didn't know you already knew it so :P

Also yeah the site design sucks balls.

eelektrik · October 2007

For some reason I'm expecting a B Moves update tonight... I'm gonna guess Lucas.

Faustum · October 2007

Predicting a final smash.

Speed Racer · October 2007

Daedalus wrote: »

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

Dusda wrote: »

I must admit I did not see King Dedede coming. Like, I once considered an 'eat my cock' sort of quote about it.

Why? I mean, He's Kirby's Bowser.

Kirby doesn't really have a set Bowser character.

If anything, he's Kirby's Wario. Or something. I dunno. But he isn't even usually the villian. In fact, I thought Kirby villians were usually one-offs or something? Even Metaknight is usually shown as more of an honorable rival.

As far as I know, Dedede is the single most recurring boss in Kirby. He's the final boss of all of the Gameboy games, the supposed final boss of Kirby's Adventure/Nightmare in Dreamland, the boss of Spring Breeze and the primary enemy in Gourmet Race on Superstar, a boss in Kirby Air Ride, and an early boss in Kirby 64, after which he becomes playable. It is almost always his minions that you are fighting throughout the rest of the game.

Kuribo's Shoe · October 2007

man when have they shown a new character and then not shown his/her moves shortly thereafter

MiserableMirth · October 2007

Captain Falcon's car as a playable character tonight.

mntorankusu · October 2007

Daedalus wrote: »

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

Dusda wrote: »

I must admit I did not see King Dedede coming. Like, I once considered an 'eat my cock' sort of quote about it.

Why? I mean, He's Kirby's Bowser.

Kirby doesn't really have a set Bowser character.

If anything, he's Kirby's Wario. Or something. I dunno. But he isn't even usually the villian. In fact, I thought Kirby villians were usually one-offs or something? Even Metaknight is usually shown as more of an honorable rival.

Dedede has been the main villain before, but he's not such a bad guy anymore. He stole the Star Rod in Kirby's Adventure, but it was only to protect it from Nightmare, and he was actually an ally in Kirby 64.

Kuribo's Shoe · October 2007

Lucas doesn't count, because he will probably have a moveset similar to, if not identical to, Ness

Kor · October 2007

Maybe I'm just being a dick, or generalizing or something...

But does anyone notice that the crowd in the thread right now is actually healthy... Sorta... you know... after bed-time. >.>

Speed Racer · October 2007

mntorankusu wrote: »

Daedalus wrote: »

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

Dusda wrote: »

I must admit I did not see King Dedede coming. Like, I once considered an 'eat my cock' sort of quote about it.

Why? I mean, He's Kirby's Bowser.

Kirby doesn't really have a set Bowser character.

If anything, he's Kirby's Wario. Or something. I dunno. But he isn't even usually the villian. In fact, I thought Kirby villians were usually one-offs or something? Even Metaknight is usually shown as more of an honorable rival.

Dedede has been the main villain before, but he's not such a bad guy anymore. He stole the Star Rod in Kirby's Adventure, but it was only to protect it from Nightmare, and he was actually an ally in Kirby 64.

Bowser's been gradually softening up over the years as well, and became a playable ally years before Dedede.

TehSpectre · October 2007

Kuribo's Shoe wrote: »

Lucas doesn't count, because he will probably have a moveset similar to, if not identical to, Ness

Lies.

Geod · October 2007

Can someone add me to the tournament listing? Virginia, and I PMed Nickle a little ways back.

gunwarrior · October 2007

Kor wrote: »

Maybe I'm just being a dick, or generalizing or something...

But does anyone notice that the crowd in the thread right now is actually healthy... Sorta... you know... after bed-time. >.>

huh?

King Riptor · October 2007

Dedede B moves.

He teased us with that Hammer comment don't leave us hanging Sakurai.

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