It's amazing how little faith people have in TV writers these days. I'm pretty sure things are a plotted out for years. Maybe not the finer details but they don't just start writing the next season the day the last season ends.
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It's amazing how little faith people have in TV writers these days. I'm pretty sure things are a plotted out for years. Maybe not the finer details but they don't just start writing the next season the day the last season ends.
uhhhhhh
for everyone one show that does, there's plenty that are story based that don't (or make it look like they are when they're completely seat of their pants, or are heavily derailed from real life events that intervene in plans)
there's nothing wrong with having cautious skepticism about developments. I mean hell, the first half of the first season looks ROUGH on its own without the rest of the season filling in the gaps, and there's a reason why it tended not to keep viewership going from that at the time
The problems from the first section of season one may have been in part due to over planning. Looking back, you can see the plan in place for almost every episode. Basically every episode introduces some plot point that's been a constant part of the universe since. It feels to me like they knew exactly what points they wanted to hit and introduce, didn't quite know how to best use the cast that they had, and they had trouble fitting episodes around the people and the plot points.
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I'm pretty sure they're not tossing a plotline. But "blasted hellscape" is kind of hard to make interesting (and yeah, expensive if thats not the rest of your show).
But now I've been having visions of it turning out to be a monster in a Simmons suit, and Fitz's reaction to that. It makes me sad. So you see writers, there's no need to do that at all!
Codenames are just superhero names with a veneer of realism. And even then that doesn't cover Daredevil or Antman.
Star Lord
Drax the Destroyer
The Collector
The Kingpin
Deathlok
- Egotistical delusions of grandeur
- A nickname earned, not self chosen
- A nickname earned, and fully adopted
- I don't remember if they even called him Kingpin in the Netflix show
- The name of the Hydra/Garrett project, which evolved into a nickname for Mike.
Many superheroes didn't pick their hero name in comic books, but had it chosen by newspapers or the like. Superman wasn't like "Hey everyone, call me Superman!"
While the sound wave stuff is a way to force trigger the portal I believe it actually is designed to trigger around Inhumans. It's a way to banish them.
The whole set-up was a foreshadowing that Jemma is an Inhuman which will cause a lot of internal conflict in her character because of her whole anti-powers stance.
You'll notice that
The thing didn't do anything despite Fitz hammering on it. But when they closed the door (With Daisy helping) it went liquid. The scene with the stones from the hat seemed to activate immediately upon the guy entering the room. I'm guessing you're right and it activates when there's an inhuman nearby. Presumably it doesn't open from the other side the same way, trapping them there to succumb to being eaten/starve/inhuman radiation/something. Also, "Was killed and is now a Skrull" is a strong possibility. Less so since we saw the scene with her hiding and obscuring the cut.
For general clarification: Skrulls are a part of FF4. As in the rights to them are tied up with the FF4. Meaning the MCU can't use them, references them or show them.
And despite the belly flop that was Fant4stic, it will be a cold day in hell before Universal lets FF return to the MCU without serious money on the table. At best we get a Spidey situation.
As it stands: all theories regarding Skrulls are not happening, that includes shapechangers.
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Chitauri can be Skrulls, like Inhumans are Mutants. ;D
We might not get Skrulls, but that doesn't mean we won't get Totally Not Skrulls.
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For general clarification: Skrulls are a part of FF4. As in the rights to them are tied up with the FF4. Meaning the MCU can't use them, references them or show them.
And despite the belly flop that was Fant4stic, it will be a cold day in hell before Universal lets FF return to the MCU without serious money on the table. At best we get a Spidey situation.
As it stands: all theories regarding Skrulls are not happening, that includes shapechangers.
IIRC they were in a situation like Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, they just can't use the Skrulls associated with FF. Everyone else should be fair game.
wasn't there talk not long ago about Marvel and Fox doing a deal that would see FF rights* revert back to Marvel in exchange for letting Fox do an X-Men tv show?
*along with some other things i'd imagine giving how lopsided that deal would seem.
wasn't there talk not long ago about Marvel and Fox doing a deal that would see FF rights* revert back to Marvel in exchange for letting Fox do an X-Men tv show?
*along with some other things i'd imagine giving how lopsided that deal would seem.
Nothing official, probably just rumorcrafting based on how the Spiderman deal went down.
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For general clarification: Skrulls are a part of FF4. As in the rights to them are tied up with the FF4. Meaning the MCU can't use them, references them or show them.
And despite the belly flop that was Fant4stic, it will be a cold day in hell before Universal lets FF return to the MCU without serious money on the table. At best we get a Spidey situation.
As it stands: all theories regarding Skrulls are not happening, that includes shapechangers.
I'd like to point out again that we know literally nothing about the specifics of these deals.
As happened with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, it is unknown where the lines are drawn on what belongs to what.
The rumors I've heard are that Marvel can use Skrulls as a race, but not specific Skrulls used in FF properties.
You, obviously, have heard differently.
Anyone who is not a lawyer for Marvel or Fox has no legs to stand on to claim whether something is or is not owned by one side or the other.
While the sound wave stuff is a way to force trigger the portal I believe it actually is designed to trigger around Inhumans. It's a way to banish them.
The whole set-up was a foreshadowing that Jemma is an Inhuman which will cause a lot of internal conflict in her character because of her whole anti-powers stance.
You'll notice that
The thing didn't do anything despite Fitz hammering on it. But when they closed the door (With Daisy helping) it went liquid. The scene with the stones from the hat seemed to activate immediately upon the guy entering the room. I'm guessing you're right and it activates when there's an inhuman nearby. Presumably it doesn't open from the other side the same way, trapping them there to succumb to being eaten/starve/inhuman radiation/something. Also, "Was killed and is now a Skrull" is a strong possibility. Less so since we saw the scene with her hiding and obscuring the cut.
This was my theory as well, but then when
they were all in the castle loading the stone into the floor, Daisy was there, but the rock stayed solid until they turned on the machine. My new guess, based on the conversation with the alien in that same room, is that it always liquefies in the presence of the special frequency, like the machine and Daisy were able to re-create. I think that frequency may also be generated by some far away stellar object, like a black hole or maybe the planet where the stone takes you itself, and the liquefy events are just when the peak of the wave finally reaches the stone. If so, that would be something on a schedule that even ancient scientists could predict with enough observation time, allowing them to plan their ritual around it. The only reason our super team hasn't figured it out is that they are trying to match it to other known patterns, like earth's moon's lunar cycle, when they should be seeing it as its own unique pattern. It may still only try to grab inhumans, but I don't think anymore that their presence is the trigger.
This of course assumes that there wasn't just some continuity error in the beginning of the castle scene or that the writers decided to ignore it for plot reasons (since they probably wouldn't have tried to use the castle amplifier if it was already liquid when Daisy walked in the room).
What's the point of yelling at him at this point? He endangered himself only. Everything else everyone was already there for. And he's not going to give a shit that he endangered himself.
Not true on one point there.
He endangered Daisy. Literally right before Fitz dove into that wormhole, Coulson was telling Daisy "Protect yourself, don't hold it open any longer than you have to, it's just a probe and we can lose that no problem. Don't kill yourself keeping it open."
And then boom, Fitz fucking jumps in and now he's put his life in Daisy's hands without any warning. Now she's weighing her own health against the fact that she might lose Fitz if she doesn't push herself as far as she possibly can. It was a dick move on Fitz's part. Heroic for Simmons, but a dick move to Daisy.
I would say only little not true:
What happens if they closed the portal before they found Simmon's? I have to assume Daisy would hold it open as long as it would take/she could until Simmons was back. If it had been the probe it have been "There she is! HOLD IT OPEN <Longer>!". Yeah, he should have warned them, but I can't see Daisy dressing him down over it now.
Oh and Super Hero names: Define "often". Often enough most people know them.
They had no reason to believe that this would be the last time they could open the portal. This was a send in a probe and see what we're dealing with so we can figure out how to save her moment, not a we need to save her right fucking now moment. At least for everyone other than Fitz.
No, Daisy wouldn't dress him down over it, but Phil should. Exactly the way he did when Ward jumped out of a plane to save Simmons.
Which reminds me, LOOK, FITZ GOT HIS CHANCE TO DO THAT TOO. YAY.
He yelled at Jemma for jumping out of the plane (to kill herself so everyone else would be saved). He didn't say a thing to Ward, IIRC.
For general clarification: Skrulls are a part of FF4. As in the rights to them are tied up with the FF4. Meaning the MCU can't use them, references them or show them.
Skrulls are in shared territory, like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.
I haven't read many comics, I just assumed it was the negative zone because people always mention that place. I have no clue what that place actually is though
I haven't read many comics, I just assumed it was the negative zone because people always mention that place. I have no clue what that place actually is though
We don't know yet.
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I haven't read many comics, I just assumed it was the negative zone because people always mention that place. I have no clue what that place actually is though
Negative Zone's not an option, that's definitely with the FF.
The obelisk is activated by plotonium, a rare element that emits high concentrations of the theoretical plotino particle.
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It's amazing how little faith people have in TV writers these days. I'm pretty sure things are a plotted out for years. Maybe not the finer details but they don't just start writing the next season the day the last season ends.
They won't plot it out for years unless they're only interested in telling one story with a set end point. Instead what you'll hear from a lot of interviews with TV writers is that they leave in hooks in each episode that they can expand on and tie together later. Things like the slingshot, gravitonium, 084s, Skye's past, and Hydra, to use a few hooks from the first half of season one as an example.
They have a solid plan for the season and an idea of what they want to do next.
If you want to dial it back all the way, we're still dealing with that one hook of Skye's past. Skye > 084s as people > 084 as a single object > Diviner > Inhumans > Obelisk
It would probably be a really bad idea for the AoS writers to have their plan set in stone years ahead of time when they'll eventually want to add in bits from what everyone else is doing in the MCU playground.
Yeah, I mean normal book authors don't know what they'll be writing and they have years. it's crazy to think TV Writers have a solid handle on their story far ahead of time.
I get the feeling they're thinking forward just enough to employ proper foreshadowing and plotting, without hamstringing themselves by tying themselves to stories that might not really engage the audience. I think they've hit the serialized TV sweet spot.
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I imagine they plan things out reletively in advance, if for no other reason than they have 1-2 tentpole movies they need to work storylines around every year.
I imagine they plan things out relatively in advance, if for no other reason than they have 1-2 tentpole movies they need to work storylines around every year.
Eh, maybe, but the only one they really built around was Winter Solider and that's because it was going to be their main hook for that season. The Thor tie in wasn't really built around it (And felt more like a story they did a pallete swap on to make it fit than one created solely for the movie), and the Age of Ultron one was almost entirely self-contained. They employ writers, so they're going to have more scripts and script ideas than they can shoot though.
I really doubt they've planned past the season after the one they're shooting.
Yeah, even the movies aren't plotted out that much despite their claims of Feige having some master plan and those are way more expensive, and profitable, than TV shows.
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Was that group from the beginning someone we should know? I first thought of the Hellfire Club, but that's wrapped up with the X-Men.
For general clarification: Skrulls are a part of FF4. As in the rights to them are tied up with the FF4. Meaning the MCU can't use them, references them or show them.
And despite the belly flop that was Fant4stic, it will be a cold day in hell before Universal lets FF return to the MCU without serious money on the table. At best we get a Spidey situation.
As it stands: all theories regarding Skrulls are not happening, that includes shapechangers.
Actually, the way i understand it, Marvel has the rights to Skrulls, but NOT Super Skrulls.
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What about Superb Skrulls?
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I will be quite surprised if
that's not Simmons. As others have suggested, she'll probably just be spending the next few episodes dealing with her PTSD. Maybe we'll even get some flashbacks from the blue desert planet.
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The problems from the first section of season one may have been in part due to over planning. Looking back, you can see the plan in place for almost every episode. Basically every episode introduces some plot point that's been a constant part of the universe since. It feels to me like they knew exactly what points they wanted to hit and introduce, didn't quite know how to best use the cast that they had, and they had trouble fitting episodes around the people and the plot points.
He was also the kid in Gladiator.
Many superheroes didn't pick their hero name in comic books, but had it chosen by newspapers or the like. Superman wasn't like "Hey everyone, call me Superman!"
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You'll notice that
And despite the belly flop that was Fant4stic, it will be a cold day in hell before Universal lets FF return to the MCU without serious money on the table. At best we get a Spidey situation.
As it stands: all theories regarding Skrulls are not happening, that includes shapechangers.
However, I'm guessing Marvel wants to distance themselves as much as they can from the movie FF franchise and will be extremely hesitant to use them.
Doesn't mean they can't come up with a new shapechanging race.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
IIRC they were in a situation like Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, they just can't use the Skrulls associated with FF. Everyone else should be fair game.
*along with some other things i'd imagine giving how lopsided that deal would seem.
Nothing official, probably just rumorcrafting based on how the Spiderman deal went down.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I'd like to point out again that we know literally nothing about the specifics of these deals.
As happened with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, it is unknown where the lines are drawn on what belongs to what.
The rumors I've heard are that Marvel can use Skrulls as a race, but not specific Skrulls used in FF properties.
You, obviously, have heard differently.
Anyone who is not a lawyer for Marvel or Fox has no legs to stand on to claim whether something is or is not owned by one side or the other.
This was my theory as well, but then when
This of course assumes that there wasn't just some continuity error in the beginning of the castle scene or that the writers decided to ignore it for plot reasons (since they probably wouldn't have tried to use the castle amplifier if it was already liquid when Daisy walked in the room).
The end of Iron Man 3 clearly shows that Iron Man is more than just the armor, in Tony's mind.
Skrulls are in shared territory, like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.
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I haven't read many comics, I just assumed it was the negative zone because people always mention that place. I have no clue what that place actually is though
We don't know yet.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
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They won't plot it out for years unless they're only interested in telling one story with a set end point. Instead what you'll hear from a lot of interviews with TV writers is that they leave in hooks in each episode that they can expand on and tie together later. Things like the slingshot, gravitonium, 084s, Skye's past, and Hydra, to use a few hooks from the first half of season one as an example.
They have a solid plan for the season and an idea of what they want to do next.
It would probably be a really bad idea for the AoS writers to have their plan set in stone years ahead of time when they'll eventually want to add in bits from what everyone else is doing in the MCU playground.
Eh, maybe, but the only one they really built around was Winter Solider and that's because it was going to be their main hook for that season. The Thor tie in wasn't really built around it (And felt more like a story they did a pallete swap on to make it fit than one created solely for the movie), and the Age of Ultron one was almost entirely self-contained. They employ writers, so they're going to have more scripts and script ideas than they can shoot though.
I really doubt they've planned past the season after the one they're shooting.
Actually, the way i understand it, Marvel has the rights to Skrulls, but NOT Super Skrulls.
And she took comfort in Fitz's presence despite no one being there go see it and Fitz being asleep
uhh wat makes u think a skrull wouldnt want to get all up in dat hot fitz action
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