Man, are you insinuating that there are things the Hulk CANNOT punch?
No, I'm not. I'm flat out saying. He cannot punch phased things, he cannot punch things that can fly out of his reach (all three competitors in this round fit here), he can't punch things that he doesn't know are there (well I guess he could but it would be a bit hard and more just random flailing than punching). There are quite a few things he cannot punch. Sure he may be strong and resilient, but those abilities only go so far.
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There is nothing - no thing - that the Hulk is incapable of punching. I know that it sounds like some of these guys may be immune to the Hulk's punching, but the simple fact is that the Green Scar just hasn't devised a way to hit them yet. Given time and effort, Hulk will figure it out. If he has to turn into Banner just to make Banner build a ray that will put his fist out of sync with our dimension just to punch Martian Manhunter, and possibly also ghosts, he will do it. Hulk's power is that Hulk smash. Not being able to do so renders Hulk effectively impotent, and Hulk has too much pride to appear impotent in front of Namor.
Man, are you insinuating that there are things the Hulk CANNOT punch?
No, I'm not. I'm flat out saying. He cannot punch phased things, he cannot punch things that can fly out of his reach (all three competitors in this round fit here), he can't punch things that he doesn't know are there (well I guess he could but it would be a bit hard and more just random flailing than punching). There are quite a few things he cannot punch. Sure he may be strong and resilient, but those abilities only go so far.
Okay, besides "not" being able to punch "intangible" things, what else per se, can't the Hulk punch?
Man, are you insinuating that there are things the Hulk CANNOT punch?
No, I'm not. I'm flat out saying. He cannot punch phased things, he cannot punch things that can fly out of his reach (all three competitors in this round fit here), he can't punch things that he doesn't know are there (well I guess he could but it would be a bit hard and more just random flailing than punching). There are quite a few things he cannot punch. Sure he may be strong and resilient, but those abilities only go so far.
Okay, besides "not" being able to punch "intangible" things, what else per se, can't the Hulk punch?
I'd also like to point out that those flying assholes are vulnerable to a 'proxy punch' from the Hulk. This involves him picking up a tank, building, or mountain, and using it as an extension of his fist over distances.
And if you could beat Hulk with telepathy, then they'd just have Xavier do it everytime.
I'm sorry, but making the Joker sane for a few short moments isn't an astonishing feat on par with taking down the Hulk. I don't think Jonn could do it.
That's quite different from doing it to someone's brain.
And it's also not how phasing works. Invulnerability has nothing to do with it. When someone solidifies their arm inside of you, the molecules of the arm and the part of you it is in will intermingle, fucking you up pretty god damned horribly, unless you have complete control over your body's density and make-up like J'onn.
J'onn can also grow to giant size, did you know that? Effectively increasing his strength several times. Easily enough to put Hulk down quickly.
Oh, and he can become super-dense.
And Phasing his arm into Hulk's head and solidifying it would be quite effective indeed. And note that J'onn is far too durable for Hulk to just rip his arm off like that.
And if you could beat Hulk with telepathy, then they'd just have Xavier do it everytime.
I'm sorry, but making the Joker sane for a few short moments isn't an astonishing feat on par with taking down the Hulk. I don't think Jonn could do it.
You would be surprised at how difficult it is to keep the Joker sane. His mind is like a raging storm, and his madness is easily on par with Hulk's rage.
And J'onn is a better telepath than Xavier.
J'onn comes from a race of telepaths, and he has spent the better part of his life with them. He is an incredibly accomplished mental combatant, and Hulk, who posesses nothing but an incredible will, is not going to be able to resist J'onn's most intense probing, because THE HULK HAS BEEN KNOWN TO BE AFFECTED BY TELEPATHY.
Lesser telepaths than J'onn have tried and succeeded.
And we're not talking mind control. We're talking calming Hulk down.
And they don't have Xavier do it every time because he's dead or missing half of the time and it wouldn't be a fun comic with Xavier fixing everything all the time. Also, Xavier is a god damned pussy compared to J'onn.
That's quite different from doing it to someone's brain.
And it's also not how phasing works. Invulnerability has nothing to do with it. When someone solidifies their arm inside of you, the molecules of the arm and the part of you it is in will intermingle, fucking you up pretty god damned horribly, unless you have complete control over your body's density and make-up like J'onn.
J'onn can also grow to giant size, did you know that? Effectively increasing his strength several times. Easily enough to put Hulk down quickly.
Oh, and he can become super-dense.
And Phasing his arm into Hulk's head and solidifying it would be quite effective indeed. And note that J'onn is far too durable for Hulk to just rip his arm off like that.
How can you say Jonn is too durable for the Hulk to rip his arm off when there have been limits placed on Jonn's durability but no limits placed on the Hulk's strength?
And how does having control over your density and makeup allow you to avoid the negative effects of mixing your molecules with someone else's? All complete body control would allow you to do is unmix your molecules, right?
and...right in the middle of the fight, you expect calm hulk to what? take a nap? suck his thumb? It's not like we've seen this Hulk turn back into Banner when he's not tearing shit up.
That's quite different from doing it to someone's brain.
And it's also not how phasing works. Invulnerability has nothing to do with it. When someone solidifies their arm inside of you, the molecules of the arm and the part of you it is in will intermingle, fucking you up pretty god damned horribly, unless you have complete control over your body's density and make-up like J'onn.
J'onn can also grow to giant size, did you know that? Effectively increasing his strength several times. Easily enough to put Hulk down quickly.
Oh, and he can become super-dense.
And Phasing his arm into Hulk's head and solidifying it would be quite effective indeed. And note that J'onn is far too durable for Hulk to just rip his arm off like that.
How can you say Jonn is too durable for the Hulk to rip his arm off when there have been limits placed on Jonn's durability but no limits placed on the Hulk's strength?
And how does having control over your density and makeup allow you to avoid the negative effects of mixing your molecules with someone else's? All complete body control would allow you to do is unmix your molecules, right?
Control over your molecular structure would allow you to pretty much ignore the effects of having your molecules mix with someone else's, because you could just take it out.
J'onn has done these things before. He can do them. There is no rgument here. To deny this would be dumb.
And Hulk cannot rip J'onn's arm off when he has an ARM IN HIS BRAIN FUCKING HIM UP.
Yeah, calming this Hulk down wouldn't end the fight. It would just make him stop hitting people until Jonn breaks his concentration.
Or until J'onn puts him to sleep or punches the shit out of him when Hulk is zonked out.
You are reaaaaally stretching, here.
And J'onn could definitely read Hulk's mind at least. He could pacify it with some difficulty, but reading it is all hells of easy.
And then he could
you know
do the same thing he did to Ultraman
i.e. read Hulk's thoughts and instantly adapt his form to counter whatever strategy Hulk has.
Shit, J'onn could enter through Hulk's pores and then expand, putting him down for the count. Hulk wouldn't die, but he'd be fucked up and weakened.
YOU NO READ HULK STRATEGY HULK STRATEGY IS HULK SMASH YOU NO READ THAT YOU NO COUNTER HULK
Oh, right, because Hulk, apparently, like Magneto, is made of magic and can do anything except lose in a completely reasonable and very probably scenario.
I remember seeing a scan of Jonn making Joker sane, and I'm pretty sure he had his hands too full with that to do much else. Surely, in that state, he couldn't muster enough strength to beat the Hulk.
If the Hulk goes to sleep, he'll just wake up as soon as anyone touches him (assuming the Hulk can sleep, because I thought his permanently excited state would make that impossible).
Hulk doesn't have strategies.
Hulk's pores probably don't stretch due to invulnerability, even for oil and bacteria. That's why he's got such a lovely complexion.
Yeah, calming this Hulk down wouldn't end the fight. It would just make him stop hitting people until Jonn breaks his concentration.
Or until J'onn puts him to sleep or punches the shit out of him when Hulk is zonked out.
You are reaaaaally stretching, here.
And J'onn could definitely read Hulk's mind at least. He could pacify it with some difficulty, but reading it is all hells of easy.
And then he could
you know
do the same thing he did to Ultraman
i.e. read Hulk's thoughts and instantly adapt his form to counter whatever strategy Hulk has.
Shit, J'onn could enter through Hulk's pores and then expand, putting him down for the count. Hulk wouldn't die, but he'd be fucked up and weakened.
YOU NO READ HULK STRATEGY HULK STRATEGY IS HULK SMASH YOU NO READ THAT YOU NO COUNTER HULK
Oh, right, because Hulk, apparently, like Magneto, is made of magic and can do anything except lose in a completely reasonable and very probably scenario.
Sorry! What was I thinking?
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God dammit I think Hulk is actually going to beat MM and that SHOULD NOT HAPPEN GUYS.
I remember seeing a scan of Jonn making Joker sane, and I'm pretty sure he had his hands too full with that to do much else. Surely, in that state, he couldn't muster enough strength to beat the Hulk.
If the Hulk goes to sleep, he'll just wake up as soon as anyone touches him (assuming the Hulk can sleep, because I thought his permanently excited state would make that impossible).
Hulk doesn't have strategies.
Hulk's pores probably don't stretch due to invulnerability, even for oil and bacteria. That's why he's got such a lovely complexion.
But Hulk still has pores, and J'onn is just as tough if not tougher than him.
And, again, Joker's mind is incomprehensibly chaotic and easily a match for Hulk's rage. Easily.
I remember seeing a scan of Jonn making Joker sane, and I'm pretty sure he had his hands too full with that to do much else. Surely, in that state, he couldn't muster enough strength to beat the Hulk.
If the Hulk goes to sleep, he'll just wake up as soon as anyone touches him (assuming the Hulk can sleep, because I thought his permanently excited state would make that impossible).
Hulk doesn't have strategies.
Hulk's pores probably don't stretch due to invulnerability, even for oil and bacteria. That's why he's got such a lovely complexion.
But Hulk still has pores, and J'onn is just as tough if not tougher than him.
And, again, Joker's mind is incomprehensibly chaotic and easily a match for Hulk's rage. Easily.
Whoa whoa whoa, I can go along with J'onn being able to beat the Hulk, he's versitile enough that it would work, but you're being ridiculous if you say J'onn is tougher then the Hulk. J'onn beating Hulk involves strategy and guile, not brute force.
The Hulk, usually, isn't that tough. It's when he gets angry that he really shines.
But J'onn can do the same thing to Superman. The pores thing. He should be able to do it to Hulk, who has been known to have his skin pierced. The Spikes in a recent issue, for instance, or whatever those organic assimilation things were called.
I remember seeing a scan of Jonn making Joker sane, and I'm pretty sure he had his hands too full with that to do much else. Surely, in that state, he couldn't muster enough strength to beat the Hulk.
If the Hulk goes to sleep, he'll just wake up as soon as anyone touches him (assuming the Hulk can sleep, because I thought his permanently excited state would make that impossible).
Hulk doesn't have strategies.
Hulk's pores probably don't stretch due to invulnerability, even for oil and bacteria. That's why he's got such a lovely complexion.
But Hulk still has pores, and J'onn is just as tough if not tougher than him.
And, again, Joker's mind is incomprehensibly chaotic and easily a match for Hulk's rage. Easily.
Whoa whoa whoa, I can go along with J'onn being able to beat the Hulk, he's versitile enough that it would work, but you're being ridiculous if you say J'onn is tougher then the Hulk. J'onn beating Hulk involves strategy and guile, not brute force.
Yeah, I have to agree with you here. Spec is going a bit over board with Jonn's strength. J'onn wins with his versatility and ability to stay away from direct conflict with Hulk.
You guys are seriously underestimating J'onn's offensive capabilities. If J'onn can do the pore thing to Superman, or Ultraman (J'onn has actually done something similar before) he can do it to Hulk, who has been known to have foreign things invade his body in one of the most recent issues.
And J'onn doesn't HAVE to stretch Hulk's pores. He turns into liquid, then forces his way in through the pores by sending in small enough bits of himself.
You guys are seriously underestimating J'onn's offensive capabilities. If J'onn can do the pore thing to Superman, or Ultraman (J'onn has actually done something similar before) he can do it to Hulk, who has been known to have foreign things invade his body in one of the most recent issues.
And J'onn doesn't HAVE to stretch Hulk's pores. He turns into liquid, then forces his way in through the pores by sending in small enough bits of himself.
I was speaking more about when you said J'onn was tougher than Hulk. I don't think if they just stood there exchanging punches that J'onn would have much of a chance.
I was talking about durability in general. Hulk gets hurt by pretty insignificant shit (relatively speaking) sometimes. Of course this would increase as he gets angrier, but it shouldn;t really impact J'onn's ability to do shit because J'onn is really, really fucking powerful.
He is pretty much on top of Superman's list of people he's afraid to fight.
Hulk cannot move at a speed close to that of the speed of light.
And J'onn is easily as strong as the Hulk at the start of the fight. It takes some time for Hulk to get up to really huge levels of power. And even then it generally does not exceed Superman-level strength, which J'onn has. Hulk has to be especially pissed off for that.
And then there's J'onn's telepathy messing with Hulk's anger.
Hey, if Hulk is fucking strongest there is, maybe we should just stop the fucking tournament right now.
Didn't the Illuminati trick Hulk into a tiny spaceship and blow him off into space? Oh, that's right, they did. Can't THOR beat Hulk in terms of brute strength? Oh, yes, he can. But obviously silly J'onn will just prance around in tights and lose.
Make no mistake, I love the Hulk. He's great. He's the HULK! But the bias for him is clearly showing here. Yes, he's strong and totally kickass awesome. but so is Martian Manhunter. Calling his powers retarded is... well, retarded. What's Hulk's power? Oh, he gets big and mad and green and invulnerable and smashes shit. Whoo.
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There is nothing - no thing - that the Hulk is incapable of punching. I know that it sounds like some of these guys may be immune to the Hulk's punching, but the simple fact is that the Green Scar just hasn't devised a way to hit them yet. Given time and effort, Hulk will figure it out. If he has to turn into Banner just to make Banner build a ray that will put his fist out of sync with our dimension just to punch Martian Manhunter, and possibly also ghosts, he will do it. Hulk's power is that Hulk smash. Not being able to do so renders Hulk effectively impotent, and Hulk has too much pride to appear impotent in front of Namor.
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Yes he can. Hulk is resistant to telepathy, not immune.
J'onn managed to shut down the Joker's insanity, so I'm fairly certain he'd be able to pacify Hulk telepathically.
Or J'onn could do that "unphase my arm in your brain" thing that he does so well.
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Hulk's got to have an invulnerable brain.
I'm sorry, but making the Joker sane for a few short moments isn't an astonishing feat on par with taking down the Hulk. I don't think Jonn could do it.
That's quite different from doing it to someone's brain.
And it's also not how phasing works. Invulnerability has nothing to do with it. When someone solidifies their arm inside of you, the molecules of the arm and the part of you it is in will intermingle, fucking you up pretty god damned horribly, unless you have complete control over your body's density and make-up like J'onn.
J'onn can also grow to giant size, did you know that? Effectively increasing his strength several times. Easily enough to put Hulk down quickly.
Oh, and he can become super-dense.
And Phasing his arm into Hulk's head and solidifying it would be quite effective indeed. And note that J'onn is far too durable for Hulk to just rip his arm off like that.
You would be surprised at how difficult it is to keep the Joker sane. His mind is like a raging storm, and his madness is easily on par with Hulk's rage.
And J'onn is a better telepath than Xavier.
J'onn comes from a race of telepaths, and he has spent the better part of his life with them. He is an incredibly accomplished mental combatant, and Hulk, who posesses nothing but an incredible will, is not going to be able to resist J'onn's most intense probing, because THE HULK HAS BEEN KNOWN TO BE AFFECTED BY TELEPATHY.
Lesser telepaths than J'onn have tried and succeeded.
And we're not talking mind control. We're talking calming Hulk down.
And they don't have Xavier do it every time because he's dead or missing half of the time and it wouldn't be a fun comic with Xavier fixing everything all the time. Also, Xavier is a god damned pussy compared to J'onn.
How can you say Jonn is too durable for the Hulk to rip his arm off when there have been limits placed on Jonn's durability but no limits placed on the Hulk's strength?
And how does having control over your density and makeup allow you to avoid the negative effects of mixing your molecules with someone else's? All complete body control would allow you to do is unmix your molecules, right?
Notice how he was not trying to hurt the person though? Jonn won't give a fuck.
Control over your molecular structure would allow you to pretty much ignore the effects of having your molecules mix with someone else's, because you could just take it out.
J'onn has done these things before. He can do them. There is no rgument here. To deny this would be dumb.
And Hulk cannot rip J'onn's arm off when he has an ARM IN HIS BRAIN FUCKING HIM UP.
But Hulk looks just like Jonn's hyper-masculine aunt.
Did I mention that Hulk's special equipment is a polka-dot dress?
Jonn wouldn't want to hurt him either.
Or until J'onn puts him to sleep or punches the shit out of him when Hulk is zonked out.
You are reaaaaally stretching, here.
And J'onn could definitely read Hulk's mind at least. He could pacify it with some difficulty, but reading it is all hells of easy.
And then he could
you know
do the same thing he did to Ultraman
i.e. read Hulk's thoughts and instantly adapt his form to counter whatever strategy Hulk has.
Shit, J'onn could enter through Hulk's pores and then expand, putting him down for the count. Hulk wouldn't die, but he'd be fucked up and weakened.
YOU NO READ HULK STRATEGY HULK STRATEGY IS HULK SMASH YOU NO READ THAT YOU NO COUNTER HULK
Oh, right, because Hulk, apparently, like Magneto, is made of magic and can do anything except lose in a completely reasonable and very probably scenario.
Sorry! What was I thinking?
If the Hulk goes to sleep, he'll just wake up as soon as anyone touches him (assuming the Hulk can sleep, because I thought his permanently excited state would make that impossible).
Hulk doesn't have strategies.
Hulk's pores probably don't stretch due to invulnerability, even for oil and bacteria. That's why he's got such a lovely complexion.
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God dammit I think Hulk is actually going to beat MM and that SHOULD NOT HAPPEN GUYS.
But Hulk still has pores, and J'onn is just as tough if not tougher than him.
And, again, Joker's mind is incomprehensibly chaotic and easily a match for Hulk's rage. Easily.
Whoa whoa whoa, I can go along with J'onn being able to beat the Hulk, he's versitile enough that it would work, but you're being ridiculous if you say J'onn is tougher then the Hulk. J'onn beating Hulk involves strategy and guile, not brute force.
But J'onn can do the same thing to Superman. The pores thing. He should be able to do it to Hulk, who has been known to have his skin pierced. The Spikes in a recent issue, for instance, or whatever those organic assimilation things were called.
Yeah, I have to agree with you here. Spec is going a bit over board with Jonn's strength. J'onn wins with his versatility and ability to stay away from direct conflict with Hulk.
And J'onn doesn't HAVE to stretch Hulk's pores. He turns into liquid, then forces his way in through the pores by sending in small enough bits of himself.
I was speaking more about when you said J'onn was tougher than Hulk. I don't think if they just stood there exchanging punches that J'onn would have much of a chance.
He is pretty much on top of Superman's list of people he's afraid to fight.
Because no matter how strong Hulk gets, J'onn is still more powerful in general.
Seriously, one solid hit and he'll send Hulk flying out of the arena because Hulk can't fly.
J'onn is no where near as strong as Hulk. Hulk is also very very fast, so he'll be able to grab j'onn before he can knock him out of the arena.
And J'onn is easily as strong as the Hulk at the start of the fight. It takes some time for Hulk to get up to really huge levels of power. And even then it generally does not exceed Superman-level strength, which J'onn has. Hulk has to be especially pissed off for that.
And then there's J'onn's telepathy messing with Hulk's anger.
Thor 83
Hulk 55
MM 48
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Looks like MM is out unless there are some late votes for him in first.
Didn't the Illuminati trick Hulk into a tiny spaceship and blow him off into space? Oh, that's right, they did. Can't THOR beat Hulk in terms of brute strength? Oh, yes, he can. But obviously silly J'onn will just prance around in tights and lose.
Make no mistake, I love the Hulk. He's great. He's the HULK! But the bias for him is clearly showing here. Yes, he's strong and totally kickass awesome. but so is Martian Manhunter. Calling his powers retarded is... well, retarded. What's Hulk's power? Oh, he gets big and mad and green and invulnerable and smashes shit. Whoo.
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