The basic problem as I see it is that anyone who can afford an HDTV can also afford a high end player.
My HDTV cost $400. I'm not exactly barfing extra money here.
I may pick this up so that I can have a DVD player in the living room and the bedroom without relying on the PS2. Also my HDTV only supports up to 1080i so it sounds good to me.
I just have to make sure that it'll output HD over component and not be restricted to HDCP.
HD is capable of being output over component just the same as HDMI , even to the point of outputting 720p/1080i/1080p the only advantage HDMI gives you is "one wire" to rule them all, instead of 5 plugs you get one.
I know that the cable is capable of carrying the signal, but it can't carry HDCP information (HDCP = High Definition Content Protection) and as such is seen as an "analog hole" by the movie industry. In order to plug the analog hole they can refuse to output HD content over component video. For example, I already know that this player will disable 1080i and 720p output over component when displaying a standard DVD forcing you to watch them in 480p, but has no problem up-converting to 1080i when you're using HDMI.
I don't mind dropping to 480p for a regular DVD ... but if it won't output an HDDVD in 1080i over component then it's completely worthless to me.
I believe the restriction is soley in the realm of 1080p, but I cant be completely sure, i'll give you 90% 1080i is unrestricted
The basic problem as I see it is that anyone who can afford an HDTV can also afford a high end player.
My HDTV cost $400. I'm not exactly barfing extra money here.
I may pick this up so that I can have a DVD player in the living room and the bedroom without relying on the PS2. Also my HDTV only supports up to 1080i so it sounds good to me.
I just have to make sure that it'll output HD over component and not be restricted to HDCP.
HD is capable of being output over component just the same as HDMI , even to the point of outputting 720p/1080i/1080p the only advantage HDMI gives you is "one wire" to rule them all, instead of 5 plugs you get one.
I know that the cable is capable of carrying the signal, but it can't carry HDCP information (HDCP = High Definition Content Protection) and as such is seen as an "analog hole" by the movie industry. In order to plug the analog hole they can refuse to output HD content over component video. For example, I already know that this player will disable 1080i and 720p output over component when displaying a standard DVD forcing you to watch them in 480p, but has no problem up-converting to 1080i when you're using HDMI.
I don't mind dropping to 480p for a regular DVD ... but if it won't output an HDDVD in 1080i over component then it's completely worthless to me.
I believe the restriction is soley in the realm of 1080p, but I cant be completely sure, i'll give you 90% 1080i is unrestricted
1080p is restricted over component, and upconversion is restricted over component. If you want a 1080p signal or an upconverted 480p signal, you need either HDMI, DVI, or VGA.
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So does that mean... If I'm sitting < 3ft from my 50" TV, I should notice a difference from 720p to 1080p? But if I sit about 9ft away, it shouldn't be noticeable? Hmm.. Interesting.
I believe the restriction is soley in the realm of 1080p, but I cant be completely sure, i'll give you 90% 1080i is unrestricted
1080p is restricted over component, and upconversion is restricted over component. If you want a 1080p signal or an upconverted 480p signal, you need either HDMI, DVI, or VGA.
Just to be sure that I'm not inferring something that isn't true ... does that mean that 1080i HD DVD output isn't restricted?
Also: I have no chance in hell of recognizing 720p vs 1080i on my 27" tv (which I watch from about 6'-9' away), but apparently this specific player outputs a cleaner 1080i signal ... so 1080i it is) ... but the chart says that on my TV from 9 feet away I couldn't tell the difference between 480p and 720p, which I know is flat-out false.
So does that mean... If I'm sitting < 3ft from my 50" TV, I should notice a difference from 720p to 1080p? But if I sit about 9ft away, it shouldn't be noticeable? Hmm.. Interesting.
for normal eyesight, yes, thats about the cut off point. If your eyesight is better then you could sit further away and tell the diference, and if you eye sight is worse you could sit closer and not tell the difference.
didnt say it was the whole stock, but with the fact that buying the player for 100 dollars ALSO gets you 5 free HD-DVD's and now you can get these for 15 bucks, I think its quite a good deal.
I believe the restriction is soley in the realm of 1080p, but I cant be completely sure, i'll give you 90% 1080i is unrestricted
1080p is restricted over component, and upconversion is restricted over component. If you want a 1080p signal or an upconverted 480p signal, you need either HDMI, DVI, or VGA.
Just to be sure that I'm not inferring something that isn't true ... does that mean that 1080i HD DVD output isn't restricted?
I htink that's correct. A 360 can output 720p or 1080i over component, at the least, but can't do 1080p unless you have the Elite which has an HDMI jack.
Also: I have no chance in hell of recognizing 720p vs 1080i on my 27" tv (which I watch from about 6'-9' away), but apparently this specific player outputs a cleaner 1080i signal ... so 1080i it is) ... but the chart says that on my TV from 9 feet away I couldn't tell the difference between 480p and 720p, which I know is flat-out false.
As was said, depends on the person. At 27", yeah, I doubt you could tell the difference between 720p and 1080p at 9'. I can tell the difference between them on a 51" screen at about 10', though, and with good source it's pretty remarkable. To me. YMMV, which is why people should never buy a TV they haven't seen in person and properly calibrated.
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100 bucks. Damn.
I bet people will show up, buy out the whole stock, and hawk them all on eBay.
here's hoping it goes well, because this is an ultra aggressive move by walmart, they toppled companies by driving prices down on the HDTV front, and it looks like they are taking a big swipe at blu-ray and target (being that target isnt carrying hdtv players in store)
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I believe the restriction is soley in the realm of 1080p, but I cant be completely sure, i'll give you 90% 1080i is unrestricted
1080p is restricted over component, and upconversion is restricted over component. If you want a 1080p signal or an upconverted 480p signal, you need either HDMI, DVI, or VGA.
Just to be sure that I'm not inferring something that isn't true ... does that mean that 1080i HD DVD output isn't restricted?
I htink that's correct. A 360 can output 720p or 1080i over component, at the least, but can't do 1080p unless you have the Elite which has an HDMI jack.
Also: I have no chance in hell of recognizing 720p vs 1080i on my 27" tv (which I watch from about 6'-9' away), but apparently this specific player outputs a cleaner 1080i signal ... so 1080i it is) ... but the chart says that on my TV from 9 feet away I couldn't tell the difference between 480p and 720p, which I know is flat-out false.
As was said, depends on the person. At 27", yeah, I doubt you could tell the difference between 720p and 1080p at 9'. I can tell the difference between them on a 51" screen at about 10', though, and with good source it's pretty remarkable. To me. YMMV, which is why people should never buy a TV they haven't seen in person and properly calibrated.
A friend has a TV that the 360 is outputting to at 1080p via Component.
But then again it's not playing HD-DVDs so that might be the limiting factor.
I picked one up this morning at about 9am, they had about 30 still laying around. I heard from one of the employees that almost nobody showed up in the morning, since it was a work day. I bet lunch is going to be crazy though.
I picked one up this morning at about 9am, they had about 30 still laying around. I heard from one of the employees that almost nobody showed up in the morning, since it was a work day. I bet lunch is going to be crazy though.
Got one too. Apparently no one knew they were there!
Were they on display or behind the counter? I walked around for 5 minutes before spotting some lady with one of the Acer laptops at the counter and then I saw the players back behind the clerk.
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I believe the restriction is soley in the realm of 1080p, but I cant be completely sure, i'll give you 90% 1080i is unrestricted
1080p is restricted over component, and upconversion is restricted over component. If you want a 1080p signal or an upconverted 480p signal, you need either HDMI, DVI, or VGA.
So does that mean... If I'm sitting < 3ft from my 50" TV, I should notice a difference from 720p to 1080p? But if I sit about 9ft away, it shouldn't be noticeable? Hmm.. Interesting.
Just to be sure that I'm not inferring something that isn't true ... does that mean that 1080i HD DVD output isn't restricted?
Also: I have no chance in hell of recognizing 720p vs 1080i on my 27" tv (which I watch from about 6'-9' away), but apparently this specific player outputs a cleaner 1080i signal ... so 1080i it is) ... but the chart says that on my TV from 9 feet away I couldn't tell the difference between 480p and 720p, which I know is flat-out false.
for normal eyesight, yes, thats about the cut off point. If your eyesight is better then you could sit further away and tell the diference, and if you eye sight is worse you could sit closer and not tell the difference.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/toshiba-hd-a2-hd-dvd-player-100-this-friday-wal-mart/
I was *just* going to post that.
I think I'm going to hate that day though (retail job)
http://holiday.ri-walmart.com/?section=secret
edit: And the ad only shows 3 HD-DVDs for $15, not the whole stock.
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I htink that's correct. A 360 can output 720p or 1080i over component, at the least, but can't do 1080p unless you have the Elite which has an HDMI jack.
As was said, depends on the person. At 27", yeah, I doubt you could tell the difference between 720p and 1080p at 9'. I can tell the difference between them on a 51" screen at about 10', though, and with good source it's pretty remarkable. To me. YMMV, which is why people should never buy a TV they haven't seen in person and properly calibrated.
I bet people will show up, buy out the whole stock, and hawk them all on eBay.
They usually limit quantity's specifically because of that.
A friend has a TV that the 360 is outputting to at 1080p via Component.
But then again it's not playing HD-DVDs so that might be the limiting factor.
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That's how it was here.
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Were they on display or behind the counter? I walked around for 5 minutes before spotting some lady with one of the Acer laptops at the counter and then I saw the players back behind the clerk.
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It only upscales DVD over HDMI.
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HDMI to DVI adapter:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419&cs_id=1041902&p_id=2029&seq=1&format=2
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Hell, I was going to get something to upscale while I wait. Regular upscalers are around 100 bucks.
No matter what happens I won't feel as bad if all I spent so little on the player.
Hmm...