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Silence of the Fans

PhantomBuddhaPhantomBuddha Registered User regular
Ok so I'm rebuilding my entire computer area, and in a fit of OCD organization-ing, I've decided to move my PC up on top of my desktop surface. It's been below one of the sections of the desk....since forever...and I've never had a PC on top of the desk before. The reason I moved it, is the freaking dust this thing collects is horrible at ground level, and the monthly cleaning with compressed air is getting a bit old.

So anyway, the vibration on the desktop surface and the noise are nearly unbearable. I hardly noticed the thing when it was below the surface, but now it is overpowering. It is a very well cooled case, and I put decent fans in it from a noise control perspective, but I'm wondering if it needs to go back to the floor.

It seems that PC silencing and vibration dampening is more art than science, and since I will be rebuilding this box in the next few weeks/months, I wanted to get a head start on what I should be looking at for tried and true silencing and vibration control options.

The other option of course is moving it back to the floor, but I would need to really figure out how to control the dusty nastiness that invades the poor thing. It has the basic filters on the fan intake areas, but those usually fill up within a week or so. And to stave off the wolves, I vacuum regularly, and change my furnace filters 2x per year =p

Thanks in advance for any silencing and vibration control ideas, I ran a quick search here but didn't find anything comprehensive for products or solutions.

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    CasketCasket __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    I'd suggest liquid cooling but the only thing that is holding me back from that is that apparently the lifespan of a pump is like what, 2 months?

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I don't think there is much you can do for the noise problem. Try searching around the Internets for reviews on 'quiet' fans. Quiet of course being relative.

    For the vibration? Try getting a sheet of thin cork and placing it under the case. The kind of cork you'd find on a noteboard. I think you can find this stuff at stationary stores or an office supply store. I remember I bought some to place under an aquarium once so a pet/fish store might also be able to help.

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    syrionsyrion Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    This is going to sound stupid, but if you have a spare mousepad, tape that to the inside of the cover opposite your motherboard. This panel is the lightest in the case and most likely to rattle, so extra weight will help it stop--plus the mouse pad can absorb a bit of the noise.

    You may, however, feel really stupid while doing it.

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    slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    You can quiet down some fans by slowing them down, using the easy 7-volt mod. That's something I did, and it helps a lot.


    My biggest problem with computer case cooling was this: I was over-doing it. I had about 20 fans in my fucking case to cool the thing. Even with these 7v mods it was noisy.

    So one day I just unhooked one of my 5 side case fans. The noise went down a little, but the CPU/case temp remained the same. The next day I took off another.. then another.. etc. I realized that, at least in my case, I really only needed my big front/lower fan and my rear fan and nothing else. Most of these modern cpus seem to keep pretty cool these days..

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    Arch Guru XXArch Guru XX Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    You don't go into the size of the fans you have now, so this may be a no-brainer, but the larger the fan the quieter it will run (generally speaking - I'm sure there are exceptions). A 120mm fan can move more air while operating at a slower speed than an 80mm fan.

    You could also look at getting a passive heat-sink for your CPU - instead of using a fan these have metal (copper, often) vanes to create a really large surface area to allow the heat to dissipate. It has been a few years since I looked at these, though, so I don't know how common they are or how well they work. I know some the higher-end ones used to occasionally cause people heartburn because they were so big, and could require other things in the case to be moved around. Still, if you pick one up you can get rid of the CPU fan entirely, which I think would be a noticeable improvement to your situation.

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    AtomicBananaAtomicBanana Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I'd suggest liquid cooling but the only thing that is holding me back from that is that apparently the lifespan of a pump is like what, 2 months?

    No? Treated well they'll last ages, multiple pc builds as well. However obviously it's a huge undertaking, and in many cases not needed to get a pc down to an acceptable noise level.

    Try reducing the number of fans you have if possible. Any you can't remove try to get bigger ones, and 7v them.

    Lots of handy tips here: http://www.silentpcreview.com/

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    PhantomBuddhaPhantomBuddha Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Every fan in the case is 80mm. I don't even have any bays for 120s in the thing, as it's pretty old now(2002-ish).

    Thanks for the tips though, I don't really have any rattles, I worked those kinks out a while ago. It's mainly air noise from what I can tell. I'm going to try reducing the number of fans first, and then move on to the 7v mod.

    Does anyone have a suggestion for a good temperature monitoring program that runs inside of windows? All I have right now is one inside the bios. I'm running an old Asus MB(A7N8X-Deluxe, to be exact).

    Thanks again for the good ideas =)

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    CronusCronus Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    This may be more money than you're willing to spend, but I bought an Antec P180 last year and it made my computer so much quieter. My computer right next to me and under my desk is 10x times quieter than the 360 across the room. I hate games on the 360 where I can't save anytime simply because when I need to stop playing I don't want to have to hear the 360 in the background, but a baby could sleep next to this computer.

    I sound like kind of a shill there, but I'm not exaggerating.

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    ToyDToyD Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Not sure if anyone stated this, didn't read all the entries, but one of the biggest things you can do is BALANCE AIRFLOW!

    The number of fans blowing in should = number of fans blowing out. Cuts down on noise dramatically. Also, if you're like me and you change out PCI cards a lot, make sure you have extra pci slot covers to cover up the holes for those extra cards if they're empty. Also goes for drive bays and so on.

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    PhantomBuddhaPhantomBuddha Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    ToyD wrote: »
    Not sure if anyone stated this, didn't read all the entries, but one of the biggest things you can do is BALANCE AIRFLOW!

    The number of fans blowing in should = number of fans blowing out. Cuts down on noise dramatically. Also, if you're like me and you change out PCI cards a lot, make sure you have extra pci slot covers to cover up the holes for those extra cards if they're empty. Also goes for drive bays and so on.



    Interesting, I had been wondering about that, but I haven't tried changing it yet. I have 2 going in, and it appears to be 3 going out, if I count the fan inside the PSU. I'll try dropping off one of the outbound and see how she plays.

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    tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    What case do you have? If you only have 80mm fans, that's going to limit things. Probably the best thing to do would be to invest in a new case (Antec P180 or P150/Solo) and some new fans.

    What are the specs on your rig? 5 fans is a lot.

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    zerocountzerocount Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I'll second (third?) the Antec cases. I have a P180 as well, and I have been thrilled with the out-of-the-box reduction in noise.

    In terms of other recommendations, you can find a cheap(er) bay fan controller. I am using a four knib unit (three 120 mm fans), and it took me all of five minutes to figure out ideal fan speeds (i.e. lowest) to keep temps acceptable.

    All of the above suggestions are great as well... a little cork/mousepad/sound proofing on the inside is a little helpful, particularly with fan noise... but it sounds like it's the air noise that is your concerns. All I can recommend is making sure that your fan pathways are realtively unobstructed. Remember, anything in the path of an air current can cause turbulence, therefore noise. So, if you are using a lot of filters, they may be the cause of much of your noise. Reducing fan speed or removing the filters would help. If you can go to the 120mm fans with some modding/jury-rigging, I'd recommend it: moves more air at lower speeds (therefore less noise).

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    CasketCasket __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    I'd suggest liquid cooling but the only thing that is holding me back from that is that apparently the lifespan of a pump is like what, 2 months?

    No? Treated well they'll last ages, multiple pc builds as well. However obviously it's a huge undertaking, and in many cases not needed to get a pc down to an acceptable noise level.

    And what exactly does treating a pump well mean, if letting it sit inside a computer pumping water isn't somehow treating it well enough.

    I was ready to pull the trigger on water cooling for my next build that I'm planning, but I kept hearing stories about how people's pump die and fry all their hardware. Although it doesn't happen often, I imagine it happens way more often than a CPU fan death.

    What is the lifetime of a pump anyway? Can there be backup pumps?

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    hakujinhakujin Registered User new member
    edited November 2007
    If you want to reduce fan noise try replacing the ones you have with fluid dynamic bearing models. Scythe S-FLEX (Sony fluid bearings), or Panaflow Hydro Wave (Panasonic variant) should provide great airflow while being whisper quiet. About 15 bucks each.

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    TechnicalityTechnicality Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Yeah, fewer bigger slower better placed fans is the way to go.

    Other than that, if you are using a cheap and nasty PSU it could be the cause of a lot of the noise.

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