In my opinion, Siegel and Shuster were the only ones who could cry in anguish over any of the changes made to Superman and it not be an over the top reaction.
Everyone else has been tripping over themselves with remixes and reinventions since. It's gunna happen again with every iteration of the character.
It wasn't over "changes made to superman" it was because they fucked up his specific superman story
I know you hate when artists use preexisting characters but you can still have ownership over a story even if you didn't invent the character, and they used it without even asking him, he got excited they were using it, and then they turned it into something that was the exact opposite of what he believes superman should be.
he doesn't own the story - warner brothers does
he doesn't own the characters - warner brothers does
he wrote the story, i'm sure, ignoring decades of things he didn't feel fit with his vision of the character
In my opinion, Siegel and Shuster were the only ones who could cry in anguish over any of the changes made to Superman and it not be an over the top reaction.
Everyone else has been tripping over themselves with remixes and reinventions since. It's gunna happen again with every iteration of the character.
It wasn't over "changes made to superman" it was because they fucked up his specific superman story
I know you hate when artists use preexisting characters but you can still have ownership over a story even if you didn't invent the character, and they used it without even asking him, he got excited they were using it, and then they turned it into something that was the exact opposite of what he believes superman should be.
he doesn't own the story - warner brothers does
he doesn't own the characters - warner brothers does
he wrote the story, i'm sure, ignoring decades of things he didn't feel fit with his vision of the character
who am i talking about?
david goyer or mark waid?
If David Goyer wants to be mad because someone decides to make a good version of Man of Steel he is totally within his rights to do so
Just because you wouldn't be mad if someone took a story you wrote starring characters you didn't create and twisted it into something you actively hated and disgusted doesn't mean that it is ridiculous for other writers to feel that way
I really like how BvS junkets has become the MoS Justification Tour 2016. It's just quotes day after day and Snyder having to defend his shitty Superman.
Either way, the fight scenes will end up on Youtube, which is pretty much all I'm curious about.
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Yeah I'm keen to check out all the scenes that involve Wonder Woman, maybe a few others if additional context is needed to support those scenes. Happy to give the rest a miss though.
I really like how BvS junkets has become the MoS Justification Tour 2016. It's just quotes day after day and Snyder having to defend his shitty Superman.
It's pretty much him getting snippy when someone says MoS has the highest collateral damage in a recent movie and oh, Zack.
You're not wrong but you just don't get WHY people keep bringing this up, do you?
Does he get that in TFA the heroes werent Superman?
The resistance and the Rei/Finn group had no ability to stop Starkiller base until after it fired hell only one of them knew about it and he was going through some stuff
Snyderman deliberately endangered lives throughout that movie when he was perfectly capable of minimizing that risk
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In my opinion, Siegel and Shuster were the only ones who could cry in anguish over any of the changes made to Superman and it not be an over the top reaction.
Everyone else has been tripping over themselves with remixes and reinventions since. It's gunna happen again with every iteration of the character.
It wasn't over "changes made to superman" it was because they fucked up his specific superman story
I know you hate when artists use preexisting characters but you can still have ownership over a story even if you didn't invent the character, and they used it without even asking him, he got excited they were using it, and then they turned it into something that was the exact opposite of what he believes superman should be.
he doesn't own the story - warner brothers does
he doesn't own the characters - warner brothers does
he wrote the story, i'm sure, ignoring decades of things he didn't feel fit with his vision of the character
who am i talking about?
david goyer or mark waid?
I also don't think it was an adaptation of Birthright. Like Birthright it drew on previous iterations of the character. But it's largely dissimilar. And I couldn't find any quotes of the writers of the film stating that it was based on Mark Waid's story.
Also I don't necessarily hate artists using pre-existing characters. There's more nuance to it than that. I get annoyed when artists act like they own those characters. Especially if they (and Mark Waid must) know the history of how DC and WB own that character. I find a lot of the stories of what happened to Siegel/Shuster/Kirby/Ditko/Finger absolutely hideous. And to work on those characters while knowing that history can be problematic enough, it's far back enough in history that it's possible to shrug it off and claim things have change. But to then claim they didn't do your version justice is just rather disingenuous to me.
Would a direct Birthright adaptation have been better? Probably. Frankly though, I don't like MoS, but I also don't find it's interpretation any less valid than any other version of the character save the Siegel and Schuster original.
Granted, they'll never make a Superman movie of my favorite iterations of the character, so I've never been terribly upset by which version they chose. Just wish they'd make a good movie.
I was hoping for really positive reviews of bvs so that I would go and see it. I guess I'll skip it though, it'll be on netflix sooner or later.
Have the Nolan Batman films ever been on Netflix? They aren't on there currently.
That's region dependent, I guess. I'm in Denmark and Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are currently on Netflix and Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel used to be.
Question if a supposed BvS spoiler is actually in the movie:
A guy gets paralyzed by the Zod fight from the last film, and is portrayed as a completely bitter and hateful person as a result of it, all the way up until Lex turns him into a suicide bomber in a courtroom full of people.
Does that happen or was that a fake spoiler?
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I was hoping for really positive reviews of bvs so that I would go and see it. I guess I'll skip it though, it'll be on netflix sooner or later.
Have the Nolan Batman films ever been on Netflix? They aren't on there currently.
That's region dependent, I guess. I'm in Denmark and Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are currently on Netflix and Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel used to be.
Yeah, I know on mine (Canadian) I saw Batman Begins on there the other night. Didn't look to see if any of the other Nolan-verse ones were though.
Question if a supposed BvS spoiler is actually in the movie:
A guy gets paralyzed by the Zod fight from the last film, and is portrayed as a completely bitter and hateful person as a result of it, all the way up until Lex turns him into a suicide bomber in a courtroom full of people.
Question if a supposed BvS spoiler is actually in the movie:
A guy gets paralyzed by the Zod fight from the last film, and is portrayed as a completely bitter and hateful person as a result of it, all the way up until Lex turns him into a suicide bomber in a courtroom full of people.
Does that happen or was that a fake spoiler?
This happens
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I really wish this movie wasn't going to make all the money.
I'd like for a really good live-action Superman movie to come out during my lifetime, and that's apparently not going to happen as long as WB keeps pursuing their current cinematic universe.
I really wish this movie wasn't going to make all the money.
I'd like for a really good live-action Superman movie to come out during my lifetime, and that's apparently not going to happen as long as WB keeps pursuing their current cinematic universe.
It won't, necessarily. If all the people who know they're going to hate it resist the temptation to go and see it. Amazing Spider-Man 2 showed that these movies can fail.
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But until they make a full movie of Fleischer's Superman and the Mechanical Monsters, they'll never make a Superman movie I find great.
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Well they're still coming out 3 days ahead of the movie
he doesn't own the story - warner brothers does
he doesn't own the characters - warner brothers does
he wrote the story, i'm sure, ignoring decades of things he didn't feel fit with his vision of the character
who am i talking about?
david goyer or mark waid?
Usually there are early international releases that have reviews a week or two prior but BvS isn't doing that
I can see why they would do that. That way they avoid having a studio come back at them saying they tainted the audience.
Just because you wouldn't be mad if someone took a story you wrote starring characters you didn't create and twisted it into something you actively hated and disgusted doesn't mean that it is ridiculous for other writers to feel that way
And thus, there's this.
BVS DIRECTOR ZACK SNYDER DEFENDS MAN OF STEEL DEATH TOLL BY POINTING TO STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS
"They destroy five planets with billions of people on them."
It's pretty much him getting snippy when someone says MoS has the highest collateral damage in a recent movie and oh, Zack.
You're not wrong but you just don't get WHY people keep bringing this up, do you?
Have the Nolan Batman films ever been on Netflix? They aren't on there currently.
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I don't think so, but I'm pretty sure Man Of Steel is.
It was on HBO Go for a while
I want to see it just to be able to make up my own mind, but I'm not buying a movie ticket.
I honestly thought Man of Steel would show up by now, but DC seems to be pretty stingy with their non-animated stuff.
Begins occasionally shows up, but the other two haven't, as far as I know.
Which is not something I ever ever ever ever EVER thought I would ever say about a movie with Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman in it.
Does he get that in TFA the heroes werent Superman?
The resistance and the Rei/Finn group had no ability to stop Starkiller base until after it fired hell only one of them knew about it and he was going through some stuff
Snyderman deliberately endangered lives throughout that movie when he was perfectly capable of minimizing that risk
Could we please cool it on the Star Wars spoilers
I also don't think it was an adaptation of Birthright. Like Birthright it drew on previous iterations of the character. But it's largely dissimilar. And I couldn't find any quotes of the writers of the film stating that it was based on Mark Waid's story.
Also I don't necessarily hate artists using pre-existing characters. There's more nuance to it than that. I get annoyed when artists act like they own those characters. Especially if they (and Mark Waid must) know the history of how DC and WB own that character. I find a lot of the stories of what happened to Siegel/Shuster/Kirby/Ditko/Finger absolutely hideous. And to work on those characters while knowing that history can be problematic enough, it's far back enough in history that it's possible to shrug it off and claim things have change. But to then claim they didn't do your version justice is just rather disingenuous to me.
Would a direct Birthright adaptation have been better? Probably. Frankly though, I don't like MoS, but I also don't find it's interpretation any less valid than any other version of the character save the Siegel and Schuster original.
Granted, they'll never make a Superman movie of my favorite iterations of the character, so I've never been terribly upset by which version they chose. Just wish they'd make a good movie.
(also ugh, yelling in movies is the worst)
That's region dependent, I guess. I'm in Denmark and Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are currently on Netflix and Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel used to be.
Does that happen or was that a fake spoiler?
Yeah, I know on mine (Canadian) I saw Batman Begins on there the other night. Didn't look to see if any of the other Nolan-verse ones were though.
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I'm basically only asking for a beautiful garbage fire at this point.
I'd like for a really good live-action Superman movie to come out during my lifetime, and that's apparently not going to happen as long as WB keeps pursuing their current cinematic universe.
I can't say I didn't expect this
And if those, Superman Returns is probably the "best" and that is just tragic
I'm assuming Bendis and Marquez can get this out in 3 and a half months baring illness.
It won't, necessarily. If all the people who know they're going to hate it resist the temptation to go and see it. Amazing Spider-Man 2 showed that these movies can fail.