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[phalla] Final Fantasy IV: Know Suffering, Know Death, Know Mafia Victory
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Quite Possibly.
I'm not the best at balance, and balancing crazy games is harder than balancing sane games. I try and get other sets of eyes on these games, but there is only so much anyone can do.
The mafia had 2 kills, 2 status effects, 3 conditional one time kills.
The village had 1 wildcard, 1 kill, 2 every other day kills, 2 role block, 3 status cures, a seer, 2 guards, 2 corpse seers, 2 +1 votes, 2 one time +1 votes, 1 status effect. And one person who was a backup for the vigs, cures, roleblocks, guard, etc.
Feel free to post roles, I can post the list tomorrow morning when I wake up.
In the meantime, please let me know what you liked/hated so I can do better next time.
Wait, what? @Gizzy Care to explain that one a little more clearly?
Reviving a villager is an excellent manipulation mechanic in and of itself, please tell me you didn't get a free kill for doing it as well.
Death Seer is a role I did not trust at any moment.
As dude who falsely reveals as mafia in his death in this game,
I'd honestly prefer someone to do some other thing
To me, it's obvious that mafia have to be allowed to pretend to be the seer, otherwise any seer claim is completely bulletproof, which is boring for gameplay. And there's also potential for interesting gameplay when a townie fakeclaims seer with the intent to eat a mafia kill while the real seer goes about their job, so random townies should be allowed to do it, too. Where it gets obnoxious is when townies start spamming the seer fakeclaims though, particularly if they're claiming guilty checks on other townies, because that's really working against their win condition - mafia knows the claim is a lie, so they can aim their shots better, and the fakeclaim probably ends with multiple townies getting lynched.
And if the fakeclaim meta goes too far, eventually you end up with that speed game where the seer finds and outs the mafia N1, but the town proceeds to ignore them all game and eventually loses (maybe someone else can find and link it. It's a trainwreck.)
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We were supposed to, it got misdirected.
Frankly, 38th: giving the mafia a revival ability was broken as hell. The village might predict it, but it's really out there. Even with all that firepower, they'd never suspect someone who revived a villager.
At very least it should have a glaringly obvious catch, like 'you were brought back by a dark force'.... or the reviver has to die, or something.
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Make Sir Fab a vote bomb in all future games.
I don't really blame myself for not suspecting you, because the casual phrasing LN used implying you were his reviver made me think he got actual conformation on who revived him.
Not blaming you either, LN, we both fell for it. But I definitely would have been slightly more suspicious if you had said "CJ claims to be the one who rezzed me, no idea if that's true or not", especially with CJ encouraging us in the PM thread that we should make a proboard because he was having too much trouble keeping track of everything.
Every game a learning experience.
I had a good time threatening Royal Decree, (Even if I never used it
I might do this every game
That the space whale was a lie? I was expecting a space whale!
That was actually true.
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Always trust kime
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I tried to please everyone!
Exactly. If I didn't think you were ironclad, that would have made me suspicious. "Hm, I'm busy and I can follow this conversation, who else is he talking to?"
Okay, these are getting annoying. Why on earth would I be suspicious that the person claiming to have rezd me didn't when no one else had stepped forward claiming to? I mean if it was Jdark that did it, and he claimed he was the one who did it would that have suddenly made it better?
Edit: also meant to quote H3's comment that's somewhere in the quote tree here to so I wasn't singling you out Raiden.
Almost anyone would've fallen for it, so no sense stressing it. Again, I doubt anyone's gonna fall for this again, and it's a testament to your organization that I still struggled to get the win.
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A little quieter than you usually are, and your vote placement was a little too perfect. Always being near the tail end of mafia wagons.
I think that's what made me suspicious anyway.
As soon as I died I knew it was cj.
But I was dead.
The 'network' so to speak was terrifyingly not secure. I was talking to both cj & lostninja in PMs rather than the board. I didn't trust martoss like at all. He made some seriously sketchy posts to me.
But whencj said, "who else are you talking to about this?" and then I died...
Well played, cj. Well played.
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She was definitely a solid partner in crime. Lot of great calls.
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hey guys
kime is my mason!
Confusion will be my epitaph
I figured if anyone was going to suspect me, it would be you. So well played to you too.
Yeah, the network was just a mishmash of people with similar interests, which is why I'm shocked it held up so well.
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Yo half of the mafia in some game should just collectively decide to come out as death millers.
honestly with the way the initial "network" was set up between H3, Brody, and Mat, built on trust, hopes, and dreams, we're lucky we only ended up with one mafia infiltrating it.
I mean it was weirdly effective mishmash though. If we hadn't been stedily pinging mafia it would have been more suspicious.
I swear my paranoia was hitting many high notes in this game.
but games with millers do that.
s'why i went for Gizzy. Her posts flagged her for me, then the seer result. I had to have her voted out because my paranoia had me not trusting the host.
my seer on austin had been on cj. but i changed it. should trust my instincts more.
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H3 and LN, you both just kind of took me at my word and let me in without even proving it.
When LN requested I roleblock Invictus, that was a legit fuck up not getting the order in in time, but it'd also be a Perfectly Likely Story if I was mafia. I was honestly surprised when I got the proboard invitation.
I discussed that Rubicante might be able to heal, but didn't think he'd be able to revive players as I assumed that was a separate power.
Also, I'll make our proboard viewable for everyone in a bit. Gonna do a final listing of all the votes since I missed days 6 and 7.
Days 1-3
Day 4
Day 5
Days 6-7
Edit: adding link to proboard. Registration's locked but it's set to viewable by guests.
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You asked for are you reliable, are there millers/thralls,etc.
I wanted to say yes you are reliable, as in you don't get random answers or paranoid seer or some such, but I'm not sure how saying you are reliable interacts with thralls/millers.
That's why I sorta started backing off and holding all my conversations off to the side, mostly sharing with CJ (who I thought I could trust), before sharing it on the board.
It's... not a great experience to sit there petrified for two days mortally certain Gizzy and jdark are mafia, then die a day after revival because you're pretty sure your only chance to maybe get de-poisoned is not to bring it up until after you're cured.
I was actually excited to come back once I realized we were nowhere near vanilla and I'd probably tripped jdark's special-ometer, but geez.
Did anyone ask why you didn't revive specials? I was very curious about this. Though I was paying cursory attention. I assume the pretense was it was "one time resurrection" ability?
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These plucky little softnetworks make games absurdly difficult to balance. Yes, it can all come down in flames if mafia get in, but in the event they don't its basically like 3-5 masons in a group. In a game like this masons with powers. Its not something you'd ever put in a game because that's basically a village mafia.
One time revival, it had to be a villager. And no, I wasn't questioned at all. I think LN was just glad to be back and have a reliable contact.
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