[phalla] Final Fantasy IV: Know Suffering, Know Death, Know Mafia Victory

cj iwakura · May 2016

They can be cathartic after fairly insane ones. Especially after running one.

discrider · May 2016

I think vanilla games suffer because only the specials have any reason to network, and the mafia prefer people not talking in thread.

There's also not much to talk about without vanillagers just brazenly accusing people for no reason.
All you can do is analyse the vote and death record otherwise, and that doesn't usually bear fruit until a couple of days in. And even then, that's all known information so there may not be anything to add to the conversation by the time you post.

Virgil_Leads_You · May 2016

You have to be more creative as a vanilla player to have a good time in those games, and sometimes you don't have that spark

lonelyahava · May 2016

I'm thinking of ways to light all of you on fire.

Just fyi.

Brody · May 2016

lonelyahava wrote: »

so basically don't bother with a straight up vanilla game with a casual (mafiaville) type theme because otherwise people won't like it?

I'm very much feeling a "get off my lawn" moment coming.

Virgil_Leads_You · May 2016

lonelyahava wrote: »

I'm thinking of ways to light all of you on fire.

Just fyi.

I've had a lot of fun in some of the vanilla games you've run in the past.
It's a good style of game to have in the mix, definitely.

Egos · May 2016

lonelyahava wrote: »

so basically don't bother with a straight up vanilla game with a casual (mafiaville) type theme because otherwise people won't like it?

I'm very much feeling a "get off my lawn" moment coming.

We're relics from a forgotten age, ahava. Like those vampires in Underworld who are out of touch with the youngins but not as powerful as the old dude in the ground that gets woken up and kills everyone.
That's Infidel. Basically Infidel is Bill Nighy

Virgil_Leads_You · May 2016

The age before murderbot
and the age after.

lonelyahava · May 2016

Virgil_Leads_You wrote: »

lonelyahava wrote: »

I'm thinking of ways to light all of you on fire.

Just fyi.

I've had a lot of fun in some of the vanilla games you've run in the past.
It's a good style of game to have in the mix, definitely.

lots and lots of fire.

Grunt's Ghosts · May 2016

I think vanillas work with low numbers, like 20 people. With that, have vote, vig, and mafia kill and 4 mafia and the game goes fast enough that people don't lose interest and with the low numbers, being able to look back at people's post isn't super time consuming. Any larger and you risk a lot of people with little to do.

Larger Phalla need mechanics like this game or some sort of combat system so that people can have stuff to do behind the scenes. Having factions works well too.

Baidol · May 2016

38thDoe wrote: »

My wife said I was an idiot to try and run a game with a two year old and a two week old. She's smarter than I am. I have not been getting enough sleep even before I was staying up to write narration and such. When I get an idea about a game, I either sit on it and never do it, or just jam it out and run it then. I decided to go with option B, and maybe close vote early enough to get some sleep. This did not happen. Despite that, I think this game went pretty well with a couple of exceptions.

The one major exception is that I apparently worded the mafia's role pm terribly. They misunderstood 3/6 of their powers. Again, I'm sorry for this. Its tough to find the right balance as a host between making sure things run smoothly and interfering with the game. After seeking advice from other hosts, I did not preemptively say anything to the mafia or anyone else about power use, but clarified every question asked.

I didn't expect station composition to be investigated any more than "Wow 38th plays too much Dwarf Fortress". Just trying to do something interesting with narration.

Village inactivity hurt, especially with the seer going inactive. I did pass on wildcat's power usage to @lonelyahava but wildcat's ability was blocked day 1 and and day 2 he did not activate it.

I'm going to touch on a comment that was made earlier about fake seer calling ruining phalla. I don't think that's true. Unless you are playing against your win con, breaking an obvious rule in the OP or going against the spirit of what you should know, I think anything is fair game. Granted if you try things too many times you may be known for it and killed for it. Baidol and survival neutraling for example. I can't see people refusing to play because something shook up the meta.

I have to apologize again for anything unclear in pms, or whatnot. I am, again sleeping very little these days.

No regrets.

MrTLicious · May 2016

Grunt's Ghosts wrote: »

I think vanillas work with low numbers, like 20 people. With that, have vote, vig, and mafia kill and 4 mafia and the game goes fast enough that people don't lose interest and with the low numbers, being able to look back at people's post isn't super time consuming. Any larger and you risk a lot of people with little to do.

Larger Phalla need mechanics like this game or some sort of combat system so that people can have stuff to do behind the scenes. Having factions works well too.

I think this is exacerbated by general low activity in larger games (that in order to get larger necessarily end up enrolling less enthusiastic/obsessive players). When people don't comment much and you have no mechanical way to interact with the game it's hard to do serious sleuthing and the end result is the standard "cull the inactive" which isn't particularly interesting.

Bedlam · May 2016

Vanilla games can still be interesting. I really liked Sir Fabs recent game, it was basic in powers but did things with a bit of a twist to keep from being stale had an interesting theme to accompany it.

Also people keep complaining that the community isn't as strong as it once was and doing simple games give newer players a chance to dip a toe in without feeling completely overwhelmed.

LostNinja · May 2016

Bedlam wrote: »

Vanilla games can still be interesting. I really liked Sir Fabs recent game, it was basic in powers but did things with a bit of a twist to keep from being stale had an interesting theme to accompany it.

Also people keep complaining that the community isn't as strong as it once was and doing simple games give newer players a chance to dip a toe in without feeling completely overwhelmed.

This. I've been playing for a few months now, and am just now feeling confident enough to participate in a more complex game. If there were no vanilla games, I probably never would have given it a try.

Bedlam · May 2016

Also its a format where anyone can participate, so if you don't like the games being hosted shut up a do better.

AustinP0027 · May 2016

.... I've just been winging it

Bring on the complex games. I may not have any real gameplay skills, but I'm jumping in and probably making a mess of it!

That said, I do wish there was a good way to try and recruit new people into the mix while keeping the game interesting enough that the more experienced people want to play. Maybe more faction/team games where newbies can ask questions/advice from people they are paired with.

kime · May 2016

Every once in a while I'll really analyze things and try to figure stuff out. I think I do a decent job at that. Most of the time, though, I just wing it too

LostNinja · May 2016

Not going to lie, there are times I vote based entirely on how evil and mafia like someone's avatar is.

Sorry Infedel and Jdark...

kime · May 2016

LostNinja wrote: »

Not going to lie, there are times I vote based entirely on how evil and mafia like someone's avatar is.

Sorry Infedel and Jdark...

Says the guy with the evil Hollow avatar.

LostNinja · May 2016

kime wrote: »

LostNinja wrote: »

Not going to lie, there are times I vote based entirely on how evil and mafia like someone's avatar is.

Sorry Infedel and Jdark...

Says the guy with the evil Hollow avatar.

Yeah, but I mean I know I'm not evil.

Cythraul · May 2016

Kime used to say the same thing...

LostNinja · May 2016

Always trust LostNinja!

Garick · May 2016

Noooo, I missed the FF4 phalla?!? That was my favorite FF. I demand you run it again!

38thDoe · May 2016

I mean, if we run vanillas which generally have the same roles is there a huge reason besides lack of interest that some of the more complicated games can't get rerun with balance changes

Cythraul · May 2016

That sounds like a good idea to me, some of the cooler themes could use a reboot imo.

AustinP0027 · May 2016

I personally would love it, given I haven't gotten to participate in any of those previous games.

Bedlam · May 2016

Yeah I don't see why we don't re-run games. If a game is popular than go for it.

AustinP0027 · May 2016

So everyone's excited for Saved by the Bell: The College Years phalla then?
Right?

(I kid, I kid)

Bedlam · May 2016

If we make it to Dustin Diamonds sex tape Im quitting forever.

AustinP0027 · May 2016

Oh totally

*scratches Celebrities with Sex Tapes Phalla off idea list*

JPants · May 2016

I love the idea of re-using themes, with or without new/vanilla mechanics.

lonelyahava · May 2016

it's ben about 7 years since my Wizard of Oz and Lion, Witch, Wardrobe games.

7 years and about 4 computers...

I could try to rework those, I guess.

You're not getting another vampire dominance game. The old one was too perfect

cj iwakura · May 2016

No such thing as too many V:TM games. We're at, what, four and counting?

kime · May 2016

lonelyahava wrote: »

it's ben about 7 years since my Wizard of Oz and Lion, Witch, Wardrobe games.

7 years and about 4 computers...

I could try to rework those, I guess.

You're not getting another vampire dominance game. The old one was too perfect

I remember the Wizard of Oz game! I was something special. The vig, maybe? And I think a witch turned me into a frog for a day or something where I couldn't talk?

I feel like you got mad at me afterwards as I became confirmed and role-called the village. Or maybe I'm remembering another game

lonelyahava · May 2016

i think that was it. Or Narnia. i can't remember. lol

38thDoe · May 2016

You are:

The wicked witch of the west!

Abilities: Flying Monkeys: Choose 3 targets to remove from the game a night.

Win Condition: Avoid contact with the most common substance on the planet. Also its in the air. You are mostly made out of it. Ooh. Bad news on that one.

The Dead:

You - The wicked witch of the west! - Logic

Wildcat · May 2016

lonelyahava wrote: »

38thDoe wrote: »

lonelyahava wrote: »

and I was messaging LN going all "TRUST NOBODY, EVERYBODY IS LYING"

I swear my paranoia was hitting many high notes in this game.

but games with millers do that.

s'why i went for Gizzy. Her posts flagged her for me, then the seer result. I had to have her voted out because my paranoia had me not trusting the host.

my seer on austin had been on cj. but i changed it. should trust my instincts more.

You asked for are you reliable, are there millers/thralls,etc.
I wanted to say yes you are reliable, as in you don't get random answers or paranoid seer or some such, but I'm not sure how saying you are reliable interacts with thralls/millers.

You did exactly what you should have done. You denied both.

also, dammit @wildcat Never target @Infidel on day 1!! It will always be useless! he will always be guarded or blocked or killed. lol.

I forgot that @Infidel is literally the worst goose.

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