I think being on the campaign trail and meeting all these supporters has been messing with bernie's head.
Go hang out and do yoga for a week and get your cool back Bernie.
Its just rich the people who put Cornell West on a committee have a problem with the head of the governors association and a long time congressman who's name is on actual wallstreet legislation.
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It's a grift, Frank has already said he'd stand down if there was a dispute. Shameless from Sanders really. And on a Friday night like they are trying to hide Trump stomping them.
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My fear is that Sanders is actually starting to believe what his more fervent supporters imagine: that he can totally win but he's being sabotaged.
For a long time his campaigns more assholish tendencies were written off as weaver and devine, but there was some political reporter recently who flat out said this is actually more Bernie, and I believe that. I mean in the senate he's not exactly everyones buddy either.
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I mean the whole thing, for me, has been to let him run as long as he wants if he has the funding for it. And this is all under the assumption that Sanders was doing this to pull Clinton leftward, and now...I'm not so sure of that.
Did he just buy into his own hype after a string of primary victories?
but sabotage, in the sense his followers have been saying, is an exaggeration
The DNC (or at least it's chairperson) has said as much, that the DNC and the primary system are built to impede candidates like Sanders/support establishment candidates.
but sabotage, in the sense his followers have been saying, is an exaggeration
No, it's a baseless fabrication
The deck was definitely stacked in that Clinton has spent the last several decades helping build the deck and so the deck supports her very enthusiastically, while Sanders just caucused with the deck instead of building allies within it so the deck doesn't give much of a shit about him
Which I don't think is necessarily wrong but in the most literal sense it is definitely uneven, but the DNC isn't obligated to equally and impartially back every candidate who shows up for the primary, especially one who changed parties just to run in it
but sabotage, in the sense his followers have been saying, is an exaggeration
No, it's a baseless fabrication
The deck was definitely stacked in that Clinton has spent the last several decades helping build the deck, while Sanders just caucused with the deck instead of building allies within it
It is made to support those who come from within and support it, which I don't think is necessarily wrong but in the most literal sense it is definitely uneven
Because the DNC isn't obligated to equally and impartially back every candidate who shows up for the primary, especially one who changed parties just to run in it
I was more referring to the phrase "sabotage" being just an exaggeration. There was no grand conspiracy to steal this election from its rightful winner Bernie Sanders
The deck was stacked against Sanders the same way a deck is stacked against someone who just bought a premade Magic deck, doesn't know how to play Magic, and doesn't know anyone who's at the tournament playing against someone who's been playing the game for decades, has carefully constructed a deck, and is on friendly terms with all of the other people at the tournament.
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Jeff Weaver is giving me a bad name.
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but sabotage, in the sense his followers have been saying, is an exaggeration
Yeah, I agree that Sanders has been fighting a losing battle from the word go.
But a lot of that has been self-inflicted, from his apparent inability to make allies among the party in any number to choosing a coalition that was going to be outnumbered. There isn't some grand conspiracy against Sanders, just the fact that he's running in a race designed to promote the candidate a plurality of the party supports.
I feel like if Sanders had started out with the populism but then studied up and shown that he understood more issues than just WALL STREET IS CORRUPT then he could have ended up winning by much wider margins in the back half of the primaries and he might actually have a point.
But as it is he keeps breaking even and no matter how you look at it he's over 250 delegates behind and it will take a miracle to overcome that.
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I mean the whole thing, for me, has been to let him run as long as he wants if he has the funding for it. And this is all under the assumption that Sanders was doing this to pull Clinton leftward, and now...I'm not so sure of that.
Did he just buy into his own hype after a string of primary victories?
As soon as Clinton gets the nomination, she's going to start pivoting back to the center for the general election. The only way Sanders was ever going to meaningfully pull her leftward was by securing explicit concessions from her campaign, and the only way that's going to happen is at the convention.
this whole the race is rigged against sanders might hold some weight if the race wasn't rigged in favor of sanders via undemocratic caucuses heavily favoring him
I mean the whole thing, for me, has been to let him run as long as he wants if he has the funding for it. And this is all under the assumption that Sanders was doing this to pull Clinton leftward, and now...I'm not so sure of that.
Did he just buy into his own hype after a string of primary victories?
As soon as Clinton gets the nomination, she's going to start pivoting back to the center for the general election. The only way Sanders was ever going to meaningfully pull her leftward was by securing explicit concessions from her campaign, and the only way that's going to happen is at the convention.
1) She was barely pulled left by Sanders at all. I'd say her waffling on the trade deal and some slightly stronger rhetoric around minimum wage increases is as far left as she got pulled.
2) She has no reason to shift back to the center because Trump's such a blazing tire fire. The only thing at this point that'll make her pivot to the center is Bernie supporters refusing to switch their vote to her with the assumption that without their help she'll lose. It's only in that situation she'd need to pivot to try and pick up people from the center.
Honestly I think Sanders issue is that I don't think he really expected to have a chance.
I think he signed up to push his agenda, and help pull Clinton leftward, or at least stop her from sliding rightward too far.
And then about half way in, the shoe drops, and everyone goes "Wait a fuck this is way closer than we thought." And Bernie is sitting there, with a half-assed campaign, a couple of states, and all the hopes and dreams of a lifetime in politics, and begins to believe he could actually win.
And after a few more states compete, the other shoe drops. Clinton's way the fuck ahead already, and pulling even farther. And Bernie wasn't really preparing to run for president, he was just trying to push the discussion around. So his campaign is slapped together somewhat, and there's no way he's ready to talk about all the shit that's gunna come up. And that means there's gunna be a tough time simply keeping pace with Clinton in the primary, much less overtaking her.
And now he's well and truly lost, just making a mess of himself and everything around him. And he has to deal with the fact that if he had done his homework, he might have had a real shot at winning. So perhaps, rather than face up to the fact that if HE had prepared and ran for real, he's trying to fix it after the fact any way he can. Because losing your shot at the presidency because you gave it your all and people simply voted for your competition is a very different loss than losing because you weren't taking your own chance seriously.
My fear is that Sanders is actually starting to believe what his more fervent supporters imagine: that he can totally win but he's being sabotaged.
For a long time his campaigns more assholish tendencies were written off as weaver and devine, but there was some political reporter recently who flat out said this is actually more Bernie, and I believe that. I mean in the senate he's not exactly everyones buddy either.
That was Josh Marshall, EIC of Talking Points Memo.
Cornell West is seriously anti Obama, and one can assume anti Clinton since she's basically Obama's third term.
Also not a Democrat (his political party is the Democratic Socialists Party of America) and he calls the current head of the Democratic Party "a Rockefeller Republican in blackface", a Plantation master, disgusting and essentially an oreo.
I mean the whole thing, for me, has been to let him run as long as he wants if he has the funding for it. And this is all under the assumption that Sanders was doing this to pull Clinton leftward, and now...I'm not so sure of that.
Did he just buy into his own hype after a string of primary victories?
As soon as Clinton gets the nomination, she's going to start pivoting back to the center for the general election. The only way Sanders was ever going to meaningfully pull her leftward was by securing explicit concessions from her campaign, and the only way that's going to happen is at the convention.
Why should she have to give concessions to Sanders?
1 - You don't move to the fringe going into a general election, you move to the center. Doing otherwise would be politically stupid and self-destructive.
2 - Why does the minority of Sanders voters get to override the majority of Clinton supporters who prefer her platform and candidacy?
but he's been relatively soft in his approach to it
don't feed me B.S. that Hillary is great on this, already
her history has been shit on it
Her record on race issues, particularly during the 90s, is not settled. It's not my place to weigh in on it really, but I think we need to stop acting like she mind controlled more votes from PoC than Sanders. And Sanders can't really pull her left on race when he isn't really there himself.
Sanders tactics with the DNC reminds me of the how the GOP negotiates with Obama "Give me everything I want and in return you get what I should do anyway."
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It's a grift, Frank has already said he'd stand down if there was a dispute. Shameless from Sanders really. And on a Friday night like they are trying to hide Trump stomping them.
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For a long time his campaigns more assholish tendencies were written off as weaver and devine, but there was some political reporter recently who flat out said this is actually more Bernie, and I believe that. I mean in the senate he's not exactly everyones buddy either.
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Did he just buy into his own hype after a string of primary victories?
but sabotage, in the sense his followers have been saying, is an exaggeration
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Probably because it will be. Jesus.
The DNC (or at least it's chairperson) has said as much, that the DNC and the primary system are built to impede candidates like Sanders/support establishment candidates.
No, it's a baseless fabrication
Which I don't think is necessarily wrong but in the most literal sense it is definitely uneven, but the DNC isn't obligated to equally and impartially back every candidate who shows up for the primary, especially one who changed parties just to run in it
I was more referring to the phrase "sabotage" being just an exaggeration. There was no grand conspiracy to steal this election from its rightful winner Bernie Sanders
You have no idea how confused I get when I see people referring to "Weaver" in here.
You can't even egosearch anymore!
Yeah, I agree that Sanders has been fighting a losing battle from the word go.
But a lot of that has been self-inflicted, from his apparent inability to make allies among the party in any number to choosing a coalition that was going to be outnumbered. There isn't some grand conspiracy against Sanders, just the fact that he's running in a race designed to promote the candidate a plurality of the party supports.
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But as it is he keeps breaking even and no matter how you look at it he's over 250 delegates behind and it will take a miracle to overcome that.
Dustin Weaver killed that ability ages ago.
As soon as Clinton gets the nomination, she's going to start pivoting back to the center for the general election. The only way Sanders was ever going to meaningfully pull her leftward was by securing explicit concessions from her campaign, and the only way that's going to happen is at the convention.
1) She was barely pulled left by Sanders at all. I'd say her waffling on the trade deal and some slightly stronger rhetoric around minimum wage increases is as far left as she got pulled.
2) She has no reason to shift back to the center because Trump's such a blazing tire fire. The only thing at this point that'll make her pivot to the center is Bernie supporters refusing to switch their vote to her with the assumption that without their help she'll lose. It's only in that situation she'd need to pivot to try and pick up people from the center.
but he's been relatively soft in his approach to it
don't feed me B.S. that Hillary is great on this, already
her history has been shit on it
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I think he signed up to push his agenda, and help pull Clinton leftward, or at least stop her from sliding rightward too far.
And then about half way in, the shoe drops, and everyone goes "Wait a fuck this is way closer than we thought." And Bernie is sitting there, with a half-assed campaign, a couple of states, and all the hopes and dreams of a lifetime in politics, and begins to believe he could actually win.
And after a few more states compete, the other shoe drops. Clinton's way the fuck ahead already, and pulling even farther. And Bernie wasn't really preparing to run for president, he was just trying to push the discussion around. So his campaign is slapped together somewhat, and there's no way he's ready to talk about all the shit that's gunna come up. And that means there's gunna be a tough time simply keeping pace with Clinton in the primary, much less overtaking her.
And now he's well and truly lost, just making a mess of himself and everything around him. And he has to deal with the fact that if he had done his homework, he might have had a real shot at winning. So perhaps, rather than face up to the fact that if HE had prepared and ran for real, he's trying to fix it after the fact any way he can. Because losing your shot at the presidency because you gave it your all and people simply voted for your competition is a very different loss than losing because you weren't taking your own chance seriously.
Who knows, that could all be bullshit.
That was Josh Marshall, EIC of Talking Points Memo.
Also not a Democrat (his political party is the Democratic Socialists Party of America) and he calls the current head of the Democratic Party "a Rockefeller Republican in blackface", a Plantation master, disgusting and essentially an oreo.
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Why should she have to give concessions to Sanders?
1 - You don't move to the fringe going into a general election, you move to the center. Doing otherwise would be politically stupid and self-destructive.
2 - Why does the minority of Sanders voters get to override the majority of Clinton supporters who prefer her platform and candidacy?
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