Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
So, Arya's gonna be heading out of Braavos soon, obvi. There are two places to go - Westeros, and Meereen. There's been no groundwork lain for her returning to Westeros, but quite a bit of (subtle) groundwork lain for a trip to Meereen.
She's in good with this acting troupe, now. Acting troupes travel. We haven't seen Arya make inroads with any other traveling entities, so it seems like this is gonna be her escape route. And there's no way in hell they're taking this particular show on the Westeros road. So, Meereen it is.
Where this gets even more interesting, narratively, is Arya has now learned (through the play) all the shit that Tyrion's been up to. Through a skewed lens, yes, but nonetheless - she's learned a lot of shit about him that she was previously completely unaware of.
Interesting stuff, interesting stuff.
Boy, it's nice to be excited about this show again. What a comeback from a horrid season.
Surely. You don't get Richard E. Grant for just two scenes. I'm looking forward to Withnail and Arya.
I'm not so sure we're going to get Arya joining up with the acting troupe. I mean, her reaction to Lady Crane's "do you like pretending to be other people?" was to immediately bounce and reclaim Needle. It could be that she's done with being anyone other than Arya Stark. Or I could be completely wrong and she winds up replacing that other actress as Sansa in the play as they make their way across Essos. And, you know, stabs the shit out of the Waif.
I mean, I don't think she's gonna actually join up and do the acting thing. But hook up with them short-term as a bit of cover and a way to travel unharassed and unnoticed until she gets to where she wants to go? Sure, why not?
So, Arya's gonna be heading out of Braavos soon, obvi. There are two places to go - Westeros, and Meereen. There's been no groundwork lain for her returning to Westeros, but quite a bit of (subtle) groundwork lain for a trip to Meereen.
She's in good with this acting troupe, now. Acting troupes travel. We haven't seen Arya make inroads with any other traveling entities, so it seems like this is gonna be her escape route. And there's no way in hell they're taking this particular show on the Westeros road. So, Meereen it is.
Where this gets even more interesting, narratively, is Arya has now learned (through the play) all the shit that Tyrion's been up to. Through a skewed lens, yes, but nonetheless - she's learned a lot of shit about him that she was previously completely unaware of.
Interesting stuff, interesting stuff.
Boy, it's nice to be excited about this show again. What a comeback from a horrid season.
Surely. You don't get Richard E. Grant for just two scenes. I'm looking forward to Withnail and Arya.
Not to mention The Actor Kevin Eldon. I hope they both get a couple more episodes this series.
YOOO this episode was real fuckin' good! Ze plot, she moves at a pace!
I don't buy Margaery being converted at all, she's too savvy for that. Also Mace continues to be excellent value.
I totally agree about Margaery, I got the impression when she was first talking to Tommen that she was trying to add a little "nudge nudge, wink wink" to what she was saying. But then realized that he wasn't picking up on it so she kept it to herself.
I'm pretty sure I noticed here stop her smile as she hugged Tommen then immediately start again when she was back in view. She's totally faking her sudden devotion to the seven.
I think she was faking it. I don't think she was aware of her grandmother's plans, and was doing what she had to in order to avoid taking the walk of shame. She probably figured Tomen couldn't help his own mother, he wouldn't be able to help her. And maybe she could work something out for her brother if she got herself in a better position with the cult. Her talk with Loress last episode seemed like her oh shit I need to do something no one is going to rescue me moment. I thought her face when the army walked up to free her looked like .. confusion, and oops.
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both AV club reviewers were seemingly convinced that Margery was convinced by the Sparrow. The "previously on" clip with her bro was right there and his "I just want it to stop" line is pretty clearly a motivation.
When she was talking with Tommen, I was all getting that "she knows someone is listening" vibe.
So now she's free, Tommen is loved by the People and seen as a just man of faith, and she can make him do whatever she wants.
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When she was talking with Tommen, I was all getting that "she knows someone is listening" vibe.
So now she's free, Tommen is loved by the People and seen as a just man of faith, and she can make him do whatever she wants.
in the way that she was talking to tommen, she was very deliberately leaving huge gaps in what she was actually saying in the beginning so as to suss out where tommen stood and how to proceed
Ya girl is always on that chessmaster tip
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Man, this episode...
It shouldn't surprise any of you but [regarding Cersei & Jaime]
They are just my favorite. I love them both and actively root for them to just destroy everyone who opposes them.
I don't even think I could fight my love for them because yo I grew up in a Lannister house-hold.
Like I have had my own mother tell me something akin to this:
When she was talking with Tommen, I was all getting that "she knows someone is listening" vibe.
So now she's free, Tommen is loved by the People and seen as a just man of faith, and she can make him do whatever she wants.
Im glad it went down the way it did. Because if her army had really marched on the sept I would fully expect the writers to have her be brutally murdered in the initial rush
The Lannisters are a lot less fun when they're just going against the Starks, cause then it's a much more Good Guys V. Bad Guys thing
Ever since the Red Wedding, they've basically had their sights on every OTHER house, which all have their fair share of assholes, so now it's Fun Evil vs. Regular Evil
The Lannisters are great and Jaime especially has always been one of my favourite characters. The speech in the baths with Brienne! What an absolute blinder of a character moment that was!
he went off the rails a bit last season, mind. The showrunners took too many liberties there and I wish they'd have taken him down the road of realising that Cersei is pretty awful and that he's a better man now than he was.
in bran's flashes of vision: We are seeing a ton of wildfire stores explode at one point.
Which was Aerys plan, but it never succeeded. And some of the wildfire pots were found when Tyrion started making new ones for his Blackwater plan, but probably 90% are still hidden away.
If a dragon does come to King's landing and tosses out s fiery lance, then it will just explode in a giant, green fireball like Aerys wanted. And since Bran is seeing this in a greenseer vision...
...
King's landing is so fucked, you guys.
I have long, long suspected that
Cersei will destroy King's Landing with wildfire at some point, probably when Tommen dies. I have absolutely nothing concrete to base this on, other than the fact that she got the Alchemists to start making the stuff again. The rest is just... little hints, stuff she says in the show and the books, things that probably mean nothing but that all add up in my mind to Cersei going nuts and burning King's Landing down sometime. I even wonder if Jamie will be around to see it and will be forced to kill her, just as he did the mad King. I'm probably way off, but it's great to see that wildfire is going to be significant!
Apparently Xbox One has the HBO Now app? I'll need to get on that, preferably this weekend so I can just pay for one month and by the time the season ends I can cancel
I was surprised to see Pooro make this thread, I thought I remembered him (and several others) swearing off the show after Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken
Apparently Xbox One has the HBO Now app? I'll need to get on that, preferably this weekend so I can just pay for one month and by the time the season ends I can cancel
I was surprised to see Pooro make this thread, I thought I remembered him (and several others) swearing off the show after Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken
Yeah, I fell off it hard, hard, hard. Never did finish that season.
When this season got positive word of mouth, and folks I trust said it was better, I came back.
I'm not as invested in it as I used to be, and don't know if I'll ever be able to, but this one's a marked improvement.
When she was talking with Tommen, I was all getting that "she knows someone is listening" vibe.
So now she's free, Tommen is loved by the People and seen as a just man of faith, and she can make him do whatever she wants.
in the way that she was talking to tommen, she was very deliberately leaving huge gaps in what she was actually saying in the beginning so as to suss out where tommen stood and how to proceed
Ya girl is always on that chessmaster tip
The Lannisters are playing checkers, the Faith is playing chess, Margaery is playing Go.
The show didn't really mention it but didn't Tommen just:
Actually do Jamie an incredibly huge favor by stripping him of his position in the Kingsguard? Doesn't this mean he is back to being the heir to casterly rock, which, given that his father is dead, the owner of casterly rock and the head of the lannister family? Tommen just undid the cruel trap Aerys set for Tywin so many years ago.
The show didn't really mention it but didn't Tommen just:
Actually do Jamie an incredibly huge favor by stripping him of his position in the Kingsguard? Doesn't this mean he is back to being the heir to casterly rock, which, given that his father is dead, the owner of casterly rock and the head of the lannister family? Tommen just undid the cruel trap Aerys set for Tywin so many years ago.
Maybe, if Tywin was still alive.
But he isn't and I don't think Jamie cares all that much about Casterly Rock.
I'm hoping TV Jaime can soon match up to Book Jaime
Book Jaime has stopped giving a fuck about the Lannisters and is just focused on doing a good job as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, with a degree of humility and honour.
Although I loved TV Jaime in seasons 3 and 4, he's seemed a little... confused, I think? in seasons five and six. This is probably because he spent most of last season in the black hole that was Dorne. And he also isn't as much fun at politics and court intrigue as Cersei is, which is what he's been doing most of this season. I'm glad he's getting away from Cersei, but I hope that getting away from her also means her spell over him is broken soon. Which, I suppose, will only happen if he finds out about Lancel.
as much as everyone liked what happened with book jamie
I found it pretty unrealistic and dull, and also since Cersei is an actual character with human emotions in the show, jamie couldnt react the way he did in the books, it just wouldnt have made emotional sense. I mean it still could happen if Cersei loses tommon and goes legit crazt, that would be ok
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as much as everyone liked what happened with book jamie
I found it pretty unrealistic and dull, and also since Cersei is an actual character with human emotions in the show, jamie couldnt react the way he did in the books, it just wouldnt have made emotional sense. I mean it still could happen if Cersei loses tommon and goes legit crazt, that would be ok
A big part of it is
Since Tysha wasn't a thing he never had a falling out with Tyrion and found out about Cersei's infidelity.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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I am also surprised to hear someone call book Jaime's arc unrealistic or dull.
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I don't recall. And I really don't want to watch that season to double check.
Also I have all the time in the world for Meera
Also Sam slayed it once more, good lad
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I can't help but like Sam. It's caused a bit of a disconnect in my brain
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Podrick god damn Payne
dude is a champ and his whole deal with Tyrion was great, one of my favourite in the series
He was on early on with Brienne.
yeah and he totally killed a guy! legend
the High Sparrow is a real dickhead
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She figured the only way to save her brother was to pretend that they were "born again"
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Yeah the family cleverness skipped a generation with the Tyrells.
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Honestly even more than that I really enjoyed
I missed this, that's amazing
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So now she's free, Tommen is loved by the People and seen as a just man of faith, and she can make him do whatever she wants.
Ya girl is always on that chessmaster tip
It shouldn't surprise any of you but [regarding Cersei & Jaime]
I don't even think I could fight my love for them because yo I grew up in a Lannister house-hold.
Like I have had my own mother tell me something akin to this:
Ever since the Red Wedding, they've basically had their sights on every OTHER house, which all have their fair share of assholes, so now it's Fun Evil vs. Regular Evil
he went off the rails a bit last season, mind. The showrunners took too many liberties there and I wish they'd have taken him down the road of realising that Cersei is pretty awful and that he's a better man now than he was.
I have long, long suspected that
Apparently Xbox One has the HBO Now app? I'll need to get on that, preferably this weekend so I can just pay for one month and by the time the season ends I can cancel
I was surprised to see Pooro make this thread, I thought I remembered him (and several others) swearing off the show after Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken
Yeah, I fell off it hard, hard, hard. Never did finish that season.
When this season got positive word of mouth, and folks I trust said it was better, I came back.
I'm not as invested in it as I used to be, and don't know if I'll ever be able to, but this one's a marked improvement.
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Although I loved TV Jaime in seasons 3 and 4, he's seemed a little... confused, I think? in seasons five and six. This is probably because he spent most of last season in the black hole that was Dorne. And he also isn't as much fun at politics and court intrigue as Cersei is, which is what he's been doing most of this season. I'm glad he's getting away from Cersei, but I hope that getting away from her also means her spell over him is broken soon. Which, I suppose, will only happen if he finds out about Lancel.
A big part of it is