Saw this movie and was pretty let down. I think the major problem is the overcrowding of characters. At this point they need to not have Magneto in the movie(maybe have him do a solo one in the mean time?) and Xavier needs to be an adviser and not the center. Same with Beast for that matter. Also toss mystique out or give her a solo movie if they wanna hang onto Lawrence that bad.
I would just like more breathing room for the characters and story. Fassbender, mcavoy, and lawrence eat up too much time with their rehashed story every movie.
The real problem is that Charles and Erik are the only two characters that are at all interesting so far, and they've done a shit job of developing anyone else
Saw this movie and was pretty let down. I think the major problem is the overcrowding of characters. At this point they need to not have Magneto in the movie(maybe have him do a solo one in the mean time?) and Xavier needs to be an adviser and not the center. Same with Beast for that matter. Also toss mystique out or give her a solo movie if they wanna hang onto Lawrence that bad.
I would just like more breathing room for the characters and story. Fassbender, mcavoy, and lawrence eat up too much time with their rehashed story every movie.
The real problem is that Charles and Erik are the only two characters that are at all interesting so far, and they've done a shit job of developing anyone else
It would have helped if they had just let Erik be redeemed in Days.
I saw this today. I had kind of an issue with the end:
Charles just tells Magneto yeah there's good in you, you should stay and help! Ignoring the fact that he just racked up an absolutely insane body count. At least the 8~ cops at the beginning, put potentially 10s of thousands of people died when he started ripping buildings apart globally. Maybe millions! Why is that so okay? Just bad writing?
I saw this today. I had kind of an issue with the end:
Charles just tells Magneto yeah there's good in you, you should stay and help! Ignoring the fact that he just racked up an absolutely insane body count. At least the 8~ cops at the beginning, put potentially 10s of thousands of people died when he started ripping buildings apart globally. Maybe millions! Why is that so okay? Just bad writing?
Yup, bad writing. Singer wanted Charles and Erik to be able to repeat the dialogue from the first movie as a call back, so they just had him get redeemed (you hear a news report giving Magneto credit for helping stop Apoc, implying no one knew he was helping him first. But yeah Magneto is actually getting away with mass murder at this point.
It's a superhero movie thing where "Ok you did a ton of terrible shit and killed a lot of people but you're a good guy now so no harm no foul"
It's dumb but you can't hit this movie for it without also hitting the Avengers and every other one of these films.
I feel magneto should be held accountable because within the movie his desire is to murder a bunch of people and he does so. Even more he did so in the first movie and the second movie. He isnt even redeemed in those movies or the movies after. I dont think Magneto is a good guy at all. I like the character but he should not be buddy buddy walking around the x-mansion like he is a hero.
The counterpoint of Avengers is that Wanda redeemed herself and is reformed. The rest of the avengers are not intentionally killing people and even make an effort to help people in harms way.
She unleashed the Hulk on a civilian population centre though.
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The Hulk didn't kill anybody. And I thought when she mindfucked him he was in the Quinjet at Claw's base.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
They get some credit for Erik being in jail for a crime he didn't commit at the start of DoFP, but they break him out with no repercussions, and yeah at this point it's like the laws of man just don't apply to him. And Charles is complicit for me because he is fully capable of actually capturing Magneto and refuses to do so because deep down he knows Erik is good so what's a few dozen corpses between friends?
The Wanda comparison is more apt at explaining Storm. Loki is a better comparison for Erik.
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The thing that bugs me about the Magneto thing (and Storm, to a lesser extent) is that the movie had such an obvious way around it.
Just make them brainwashed slaves! Like in the comics. Then you don't have to debate whether it's totally weird for Magneto and Storm to be happily strolling around the X-Mansion after killing a bunch of people, or whether they're super sketchy to begin with after willingly joining up with a guy who's pretty vocal about destroying the world.
If I had to guess, I'd suspect they wanted to avoid brainwashing because they thought it would be more interesting to show why these characters join Apocalypse and why they eventually turn on him. But it does way more harm than good.
I actually read one review that mentioned that the script supposedly indicates that Apocalypse was in fact exerting some kind of enhanced persuasion over them. Unfortunately, if that's the case it doesn't come through in the movie at all.
Yeah Singer has said that Apoc did have some kind of power of persuasion, but they wanted to hint at it so you didn't know if he was just that charming naturally or if it was a mutant power. To me it did not seem like a mutant power at all. Compare Jessica Jones and AoS.
The Hulk didn't kill anybody. And I thought when she mindfucked him he was in the Quinjet at Claw's base.
In AoU, he almost certainly did. There's a POV shot of him ripping the top off a car, people screaming, and him reaching into it.
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Mightn't the Sinister stuff, especially if it were to introduce X-23, fit into the next Wolverine movie instead?
I'm also hoping that if Psylocke returns they bring back Angel as well. He's not guaranteed to have died there, and I think their relationship, especially in X-Force, could be worth exploring.
Red Skull was the villain in OML right? They would need a replacement for the film,a nd a sinister would make an alright fit.
In the comics, they've shifted over the years exactly what David's mental condition is. Are they treating him as schizophrenic in your version? Multiple personalities?
The diagnosis that he has when we meet him is schizophrenic. he hears voices, and he sees things that are maybe real or aren't real, and he's not sure. I want to explore, on some level, the reality of what it's like to have those abilities in a more existential way. So it's not, "You have these powers; now run!" More in the idea that you go through your life with this identity as a crazy person, and then someone comes along and says, "No, actually, you're perfectly sane, and have the abilities you have," which sounds like what a crazy person's thoughts would be. I love the idea that even when you're in it on the journey, there is this Alice in Wonderland quality to it, of a story within a story.
You mentioned talking with Simon. Does this show take place in continuity with the X-Men movies? Is this a world where mutants have been public with powers?
No, it's not. It's a little more of a fable in my mind. If you were to say, "Where is it, and when is it?," it's not exactly clear, I think. And a lot of it is because he's not exactly clear. It's the world as perceived subjectively on some level. The recent X-Men movies, starting with First Class, are rooted in a time period and a world and playing with history in interesting ways. This isn't doing that.
So it's not like people need to go see the recent films to follow what you're doing.
No. It's a standalone kind of thing.
It's funny to me to imagine Jean Smart in a comic book show, even one you're doing.
I know. On some level, making a series of Coen brothers movies gave me leeway to explore genre and play around with voice in a way that I wouldn't necessarily have been able to get away with on my own. And with this, this is the story we're telling ourselves now, with all these superhero franchises and movies and TV shows. That's interesting to me. There's so many of these characters who are actually invulnerable, and there tends to be a black-and-white morality in some. And with Daredevil and Jessica Jones, you have these tortured anti-heroes, which I find interesting to a degree, but this show is a more whimsical and more surreal kind of look at these characters. I feel like where one can get into trouble is to take these stories from the comics, to take the Dark Phoenix Story and change it. You're bound to offend somebody, no matter what you do. So instead, I'm taking this character and set-up, and just playing with it.
And you have an advantage: Legion has some history with comic book readers, but he's not iconic in that way.
Yeah, it's none of the iconic characters from the movie franchise. I think that's a strength on some level, because those characters come with rules. It's hard. You don't want to be handcuffed, when you're trying to explore something. The power of making something unpredictable is really an important thing to preserve.
Am I correct in assuming that David is not related to Charles Xavier in this version? Or he could be, and it's just a different one from the guy in the movies?
He could be. It's a different story, but I'm not ruling that out.
Nightcrawler in X-men apocalypse is so fucking good though. Cyclops's suit in the final scene was aces. So kudos for those two things.
Also unpopular opinion I guess but I liked Olivia as psylock. I think she was written very poorly and I don't really know her motivation in the whole film.
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My goodness, Legion sounds interesting
I like that Hawley seems to be going more with loose continuity as opposed to directly out of it
It ain't gonna mean anything, by my reckoning at least, but it still gives me a nice feeling
Nightcrawler in X-men apocalypse is so fucking good though. Cyclops's suit in the final scene was aces. So kudos for those two things.
Also unpopular opinion I guess but I liked Olivia as psylock. I think she was written very poorly and I don't really know her motivation in the whole film.
Psylocke wasn't just poorly written, she only said like 9 words in the whole movie. Olivia Munn certainly did a good job looking the part of Psylocke, but there was absolutely no opportunity for her to do anything with the part given the pitiful amount of lines she was afforded. Which is a shame! At least give her a chance.
It seems like Singer has always had a thing of "Look! We put this character in the movie! They do nothing, nothing at all, but they're in it! So shut up!"
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So this movie was dumb but I still had a lot of fun with it.
Nerdy nitpick wrt my fav:
Nightcrawler didn't have to fight Angel in the beginning. He's Nightcrawler. An electrified fence aint shit. It's even established later in the movie that an electrified fence aint shit.
Other nitpicks:
Magneto's big scene in the forest with the police definitely should've ended before he opened his mouth. None of that was necessary at all.
So Jean et al. are in the helicopter's no mutie juju field on the way to the compound and then they just...get out? Somehow escaping notice despite not having access to their powers at all?
I appreciate Apocalypse being able to keep his calm while getting wrecked by Quicksilver and managing to stop him, but even after being likely sent flying by his asswhuppin, he just strolls back on scene two seconds later without getting to see him actually hit the ground or right himself or anything. Just little things like that were missing in a lot of the fight scenes.
I'm willing to forgive a lot of that though because it was fun and also:
The cop said Mag-net-o! I actually died in the theater at this point and got a few funny looks. Damn you, Best Friends!
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So this movie was dumb but I still had a lot of fun with it.
Nerdy nitpick wrt my fav:
Nightcrawler didn't have to fight Angel in the beginning. He's Nightcrawler. An electrified fence aint shit. It's even established later in the movie that an electrified fence aint shit.
Other nitpicks:
Magneto's big scene in the forest with the police definitely should've ended before he opened his mouth. None of that was necessary at all.
So Jean et al. are in the helicopter's no mutie juju field on the way to the compound and then they just...get out? Somehow escaping notice despite not having access to their powers at all?
I appreciate Apocalypse being able to keep his calm while getting wrecked by Quicksilver and managing to stop him, but even after being likely sent flying by his asswhuppin, he just strolls back on scene two seconds later without getting to see him actually hit the ground or right himself or anything. Just little things like that were missing in a lot of the fight scenes.
I'm pretty sure that cage was supposed to be similar in power fuckery as the jet later on
So this movie was dumb but I still had a lot of fun with it.
Nerdy nitpick wrt my fav:
Nightcrawler didn't have to fight Angel in the beginning. He's Nightcrawler. An electrified fence aint shit. It's even established later in the movie that an electrified fence aint shit.
Other nitpicks:
Magneto's big scene in the forest with the police definitely should've ended before he opened his mouth. None of that was necessary at all.
So Jean et al. are in the helicopter's no mutie juju field on the way to the compound and then they just...get out? Somehow escaping notice despite not having access to their powers at all?
I appreciate Apocalypse being able to keep his calm while getting wrecked by Quicksilver and managing to stop him, but even after being likely sent flying by his asswhuppin, he just strolls back on scene two seconds later without getting to see him actually hit the ground or right himself or anything. Just little things like that were missing in a lot of the fight scenes.
I'm pretty sure that cage was supposed to be similar in power fuckery as the jet later on
I think those anti-mutant cages function like Faraday cages in that your shit will work INSIDE of them but won't be able to affect anything past the barrier, and likely vice versa.
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So this movie was dumb but I still had a lot of fun with it.
Nerdy nitpick wrt my fav:
Nightcrawler didn't have to fight Angel in the beginning. He's Nightcrawler. An electrified fence aint shit. It's even established later in the movie that an electrified fence aint shit.
Other nitpicks:
Magneto's big scene in the forest with the police definitely should've ended before he opened his mouth. None of that was necessary at all.
So Jean et al. are in the helicopter's no mutie juju field on the way to the compound and then they just...get out? Somehow escaping notice despite not having access to their powers at all?
I appreciate Apocalypse being able to keep his calm while getting wrecked by Quicksilver and managing to stop him, but even after being likely sent flying by his asswhuppin, he just strolls back on scene two seconds later without getting to see him actually hit the ground or right himself or anything. Just little things like that were missing in a lot of the fight scenes.
I'm pretty sure that cage was supposed to be similar in power fuckery as the jet later on
I think those anti-mutant cages function like Faraday cages in that your shit will work INSIDE of them but won't be able to affect anything past the barrier, and likely vice versa.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking the intent was, although they seem to play pretty fast and loose with that even
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I hadn't really paid any attention to casting or anything so I was happy when Sansa showed up.
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It seems like Singer has always had a thing of "Look! We put this character in the movie! They do nothing, nothing at all, but they're in it! So shut up!"
Honestly, I don't even necessarily have much of a problem with that. Like I'm completely fine with there being recognizable characters in the movie that only have small roles with barely any lines. I think you could keep the same number of characters, with roughly the same division of screentime, and it could be totally fine.
The real issue for me is how well the screentime is used, across the board, and that's what I think the real problem here was.
So this movie was dumb but I still had a lot of fun with it.
Nerdy nitpick wrt my fav:
Nightcrawler didn't have to fight Angel in the beginning. He's Nightcrawler. An electrified fence aint shit. It's even established later in the movie that an electrified fence aint shit.
Other nitpicks:
Magneto's big scene in the forest with the police definitely should've ended before he opened his mouth. None of that was necessary at all.
So Jean et al. are in the helicopter's no mutie juju field on the way to the compound and then they just...get out? Somehow escaping notice despite not having access to their powers at all?
I appreciate Apocalypse being able to keep his calm while getting wrecked by Quicksilver and managing to stop him, but even after being likely sent flying by his asswhuppin, he just strolls back on scene two seconds later without getting to see him actually hit the ground or right himself or anything. Just little things like that were missing in a lot of the fight scenes.
I'm pretty sure that cage was supposed to be similar in power fuckery as the jet later on
Nightcrawler specifically says this in the movie.
I really enjoyed this, but there were a few things I didn't like. Terrible Stan Lee cameo.
Favorite part
Peter's intermission. Super cheesy, but the movie had done a decent job of building tension in the previous scene so giving the audience a chance to release that tension and laugh worked really well.
Second favorite part: "I'm Blue."
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I think the Quicksilver scene would have worked better if we only saw half of it
You get enough to laugh at him, to get an idea of what he's doing
And then it abruptly cuts to the full explosion, and a bunch of the little after effect bits play out
Or something like that at least
Just a little bit less of him - maybe the camera could have had trouble keeping up with him, so we just see the dart sinking into the target and a bunch of little things like that
But the whole scene was too long, especially when it's really obvious everything that's going to happen in it
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So I was going to make a post about how Angel/Archangel is one of my favorite X-Men characters because of all the awesome story stuff that happens with him in the comics, and how I'm bummed that the movies have basically ignored most of that and wasted him despite featuring him multiple times.
But I came across a couple of things that I feel are much more important to mention.
Archangel appears in the X-Men/Star Trek crossover novel Planet X. In it, he is examined by Dr. Beverly Crusher, who finds the technorganic virus implanted in his system by Apocalypse to be similar to the nanovirus used by the Borg for assimilation. He later helps Dr. Crusher program a copy of Professor X into the holodeck, and also assists Captain Jean-Luc Picard in disarming a bomb that had been launched at a planet the two groups are trying to save.
I'm just sitting here picturing Patrick Stewart talking to Patrick Stewart.
Also, I keep forgetting what Sophie Turner is like in real life. Note that this article contains some hilariously crude language and I guess technically reveals how last season's big Game of Thrones cliffhanger worked out.
Jubilee's actress revealed that originally she was going to wear generic 80s clothes and had to demand the yellow coat and shades from Bryan Singer because Jubilee without them would be "blasphemy".
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The real problem is that Charles and Erik are the only two characters that are at all interesting so far, and they've done a shit job of developing anyone else
It would have helped if they had just let Erik be redeemed in Days.
Yup, bad writing. Singer wanted Charles and Erik to be able to repeat the dialogue from the first movie as a call back, so they just had him get redeemed (you hear a news report giving Magneto credit for helping stop Apoc, implying no one knew he was helping him first. But yeah Magneto is actually getting away with mass murder at this point.
It's dumb but you can't hit this movie for it without also hitting the Avengers and every other one of these films.
I feel magneto should be held accountable because within the movie his desire is to murder a bunch of people and he does so. Even more he did so in the first movie and the second movie. He isnt even redeemed in those movies or the movies after. I dont think Magneto is a good guy at all. I like the character but he should not be buddy buddy walking around the x-mansion like he is a hero.
The Wanda comparison is more apt at explaining Storm. Loki is a better comparison for Erik.
If I had to guess, I'd suspect they wanted to avoid brainwashing because they thought it would be more interesting to show why these characters join Apocalypse and why they eventually turn on him. But it does way more harm than good.
I actually read one review that mentioned that the script supposedly indicates that Apocalypse was in fact exerting some kind of enhanced persuasion over them. Unfortunately, if that's the case it doesn't come through in the movie at all.
so expect to die to save your neighbor
I dunno about that, superhero stuff likes to put the greater good people into the role of the villain
In AoU, he almost certainly did. There's a POV shot of him ripping the top off a car, people screaming, and him reaching into it.
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FX asked Noah Hawley to just come up with an X-Men show and he picked Legion, he was not assigned the concept from the beginning
Also unpopular opinion I guess but I liked Olivia as psylock. I think she was written very poorly and I don't really know her motivation in the whole film.
I like that Hawley seems to be going more with loose continuity as opposed to directly out of it
It ain't gonna mean anything, by my reckoning at least, but it still gives me a nice feeling
Psylocke wasn't just poorly written, she only said like 9 words in the whole movie. Olivia Munn certainly did a good job looking the part of Psylocke, but there was absolutely no opportunity for her to do anything with the part given the pitiful amount of lines she was afforded. Which is a shame! At least give her a chance.
It was pretty damn great!
Noooot a good look, Fox
Nerdy nitpick wrt my fav:
Other nitpicks:
So Jean et al. are in the helicopter's no mutie juju field on the way to the compound and then they just...get out? Somehow escaping notice despite not having access to their powers at all?
I appreciate Apocalypse being able to keep his calm while getting wrecked by Quicksilver and managing to stop him, but even after being likely sent flying by his asswhuppin, he just strolls back on scene two seconds later without getting to see him actually hit the ground or right himself or anything. Just little things like that were missing in a lot of the fight scenes.
I'm willing to forgive a lot of that though because it was fun and also:
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Honestly, I don't even necessarily have much of a problem with that. Like I'm completely fine with there being recognizable characters in the movie that only have small roles with barely any lines. I think you could keep the same number of characters, with roughly the same division of screentime, and it could be totally fine.
The real issue for me is how well the screentime is used, across the board, and that's what I think the real problem here was.
Nightcrawler specifically says this in the movie.
I really enjoyed this, but there were a few things I didn't like. Terrible Stan Lee cameo.
Favorite part
Second favorite part: "I'm Blue."
And then it abruptly cuts to the full explosion, and a bunch of the little after effect bits play out
Or something like that at least
Just a little bit less of him - maybe the camera could have had trouble keeping up with him, so we just see the dart sinking into the target and a bunch of little things like that
But the whole scene was too long, especially when it's really obvious everything that's going to happen in it
But I came across a couple of things that I feel are much more important to mention.
First, from the Warren Worthington Wikipedia article: I'm just sitting here picturing Patrick Stewart talking to Patrick Stewart.
Also, I keep forgetting what Sophie Turner is like in real life. Note that this article contains some hilariously crude language and I guess technically reveals how last season's big Game of Thrones cliffhanger worked out.
And then she had no dialogue anyways
Very happy Bryan Singer is stepping away from the franchise for a while