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[BREXIT] Farewell Europe, and thanks for all the Fish stocks

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're very hard to milk

    They can't pull a plough, either

  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    The Sauce wrote: »
    JoeUser wrote: »

    No, he mentioned in his speech that some people thought he didn't like Larry.
    ‘The rumour that somehow I don't love Larry, I do... I have photographic evidence to prove it.

    'I can't take Larry with me, he belongs to the house and the staff love him very much, as do I, Mr Cameron said.

    The Cabinet Office said yesterday that Larry will continue his work when the new Prime Minister.

    Having a cat in your lap is no proof of loving a cat. The cat chooses whose laps it occupies, and many cats will actually prefer the person who likes them least.
    This is because cats communicate affection (or at least being nonthreatening) through narrowed eyes and slow blinks. The wide-eyed excitement that people who love cats/animals sometimes display is often interpreted as threatening.

    So, cats go to the person they think likes them the most, even if it's actually the person who likes them the least!

    Eh, I dunno about that. Many dogs do the same thing.

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    They're very hard to milk

    They can't pull a plough, either

    You're not using enough!

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  • ProlegomenaProlegomena Frictionless Spinning The VoidRegistered User regular
    oh she didn't...

    I JUST this minute said to my mother "at least none of her lunacies seem to have anything to do with farming"

  • htmhtm Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    Brexit is happening.

    She has to respect the referendum or she'll split the party and hemorrhage MPs/votes to UKIP

    She certainly has to appear to be making Brexit happen, and putting the Leavers in a position of responsibility is indeed a clever stroke politically. But I also think she's setting it up to fail. At the end of the day, the headwind against Brexit is really strong:

    -A super-majority of MPs are against it, including a majority of her own MPs.
    -The Tory donor class is overwhelmingly against it.
    -UK industry and business communities are overwhelmingly against it.

    I mean... maybe she's the Horton the elephant of UK pols and she'll vigorously fight to honor the will of a slight majority of the electorate at the expense of her own beliefs, the beliefs of a majority of her party, and the beliefs of the people who give money to her party, but... I'm skeptical. There's lots of ways for her to surreptitiously work to keep Brexit from happening, but it'd be political suicide for her to admit that's her plan.

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    htm wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Brexit is happening.

    She has to respect the referendum or she'll split the party and hemorrhage MPs/votes to UKIP

    She certainly has to appear to be making Brexit happen, and putting the Leavers in a position of responsibility is indeed a clever stroke politically. But I also think she's setting it up to fail. At the end of the day, the headwind against Brexit is really strong:

    -A super-majority of MPs are against it, including a majority of her own MPs.
    -The Tory donor class is overwhelmingly against it.
    -UK industry and business communities are overwhelmingly against it.

    I mean... maybe she's the Horton the elephant of UK pols and she'll vigorously fight to honor the will of a slight majority of the electorate at the expense of her own beliefs, the beliefs of a majority of her party, and the beliefs of the people who give money to her party, but... I'm skeptical. There's lots of ways for her to surreptitiously work to keep Brexit from happening, but it'd be political suicide for her to admit that's her plan.

    Problem is, she can't delay A50 indefinitely, and once A50 happens, the only way to cancel it is to get the other 27 countries to agree to cancel it, and I suspect that to be hard to pull off.

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
    Members who joined a union in the pay six months have to pay the 25 pounds top vote as well.

    Also someone is suing the NEC to keep Corbyn off the ballot.

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  • envoy1envoy1 Registered User regular
    htm wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Brexit is happening.

    She has to respect the referendum or she'll split the party and hemorrhage MPs/votes to UKIP

    She certainly has to appear to be making Brexit happen, and putting the Leavers in a position of responsibility is indeed a clever stroke politically. But I also think she's setting it up to fail. At the end of the day, the headwind against Brexit is really strong:

    -A super-majority of MPs are against it, including a majority of her own MPs.
    -The Tory donor class is overwhelmingly against it.
    -UK industry and business communities are overwhelmingly against it.

    I mean... maybe she's the Horton the elephant of UK pols and she'll vigorously fight to honor the will of a slight majority of the electorate at the expense of her own beliefs, the beliefs of a majority of her party, and the beliefs of the people who give money to her party, but... I'm skeptical. There's lots of ways for her to surreptitiously work to keep Brexit from happening, but it'd be political suicide for her to admit that's her plan.

    Problem is, she can't delay A50 indefinitely, and once A50 happens, the only way to cancel it is to get the other 27 countries to agree to cancel it, and I suspect that to be hard to pull off.

    No, legally the UK can stop the A50 withdrawal process itself at any point. Only when the Article 50 decision is agreed and ratified does it become much harder to reverse. The UK would have to apply to become a new member of the EU under Article 49 of the EU Treaty. This is a good source of information about Article 50: http://verfassungsblog.de/brexit-article-50-duff/

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  • SomestickguySomestickguy Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    So the department of climate change has apparently just been abolished?

    Wellp

    E: wait, that news is five hours old. Did we talk about this already? Did I miss something?

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    Oh god what? Has the UK government been infiltrated by US republicans?

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  • GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    So the department of climate change has apparently just been abolished?

    Wellp

    E: wait, that news is five hours old. Did we talk about this already? Did I miss something?

    Narp a darp

    The department of Energy and Climate Change has been combined with the Department of Business - The remit still exists

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    envoy1 wrote: »
    htm wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Brexit is happening.

    She has to respect the referendum or she'll split the party and hemorrhage MPs/votes to UKIP

    She certainly has to appear to be making Brexit happen, and putting the Leavers in a position of responsibility is indeed a clever stroke politically. But I also think she's setting it up to fail. At the end of the day, the headwind against Brexit is really strong:

    -A super-majority of MPs are against it, including a majority of her own MPs.
    -The Tory donor class is overwhelmingly against it.
    -UK industry and business communities are overwhelmingly against it.

    I mean... maybe she's the Horton the elephant of UK pols and she'll vigorously fight to honor the will of a slight majority of the electorate at the expense of her own beliefs, the beliefs of a majority of her party, and the beliefs of the people who give money to her party, but... I'm skeptical. There's lots of ways for her to surreptitiously work to keep Brexit from happening, but it'd be political suicide for her to admit that's her plan.

    Problem is, she can't delay A50 indefinitely, and once A50 happens, the only way to cancel it is to get the other 27 countries to agree to cancel it, and I suspect that to be hard to pull off.

    No, legally the UK can stop the A50 withdrawal process itself at any point. Only when the Article 50 decision is agreed and ratified does it become much harder to reverse. The UK would have to apply to become a new member of the EU under Article 49 of the EU Treaty. This is a good source of information about Article 50: http://verfassungsblog.de/brexit-article-50-duff/

    Huh. I assumed A50's silence on cancellation meant the only way to cancel was the same mechanism to extend the two-year deadline.

    Interesting that his case is the Referendum's silence on its bindingness means it's binding by default, when I had operated on the opposite assumption, using the AV Referendum as precedent for requiring explicit bindingness

  • Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
    I see no way in which the Department of Business could have anything but a positive effect on climate change and energy; you just have to run energy and climate change like businesses.

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Gumpy wrote: »
    So the department of climate change has apparently just been abolished?

    Wellp

    E: wait, that news is five hours old. Did we talk about this already? Did I miss something?

    Narp a darp

    The department of Energy and Climate Change has been combined with the Department of Business - The remit still exists

    I thought the Climate Change remit got shunted over to DEFRA? (Environment, Agriculture etc.)

    It's still sucky to take it out of the name.

  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
    It's the new Business Dept.

    Climate change department killed off by Theresa May in 'plain stupid' and 'deeply worrying' move
    The decision to abolish the Department for Energy and Climate Change has been variously condemned as “plain stupid”, “deeply worrying” and “terrible” by politicians, campaigners and experts.

    One of Theresa May’s first acts as Prime Minister was to move responsibility for climate change to a new Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy.

    Only on Monday, Government advisers had warned of the need to take urgent action to prepare the UK for floods, droughts, heatwaves and food shortages caused by climate change.

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  • GumpyGumpy There is always a greater powerRegistered User regular
    I see no way in which the Department of Business could have anything but a positive effect on climate change and energy; you just have to run energy and climate change like businesses.

    I believe its shifted about to make space for the newly created BREXIT department? The department of business used to be where higher education was based, so it's used to having a pretty wide remit

  • TheLawinatorTheLawinator Registered User regular
    The joke here is that Britain won't have the industrial capacity to cause any climate change soon enough a hoy hoy hoy.

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  • DaMoonRulzDaMoonRulz Mare ImbriumRegistered User regular
    oh she didn't...

    I JUST this minute said to my mother "at least none of her lunacies seem to have anything to do with farming"

    McScuse me?

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  • ZythonZython Registered User regular
    I see no way in which the Department of Business could have anything but a positive effect on climate change and energy; you just have to run energy and climate change like businesses.

    You joke, but that's kind of how cap and trade works. Funny how our corporate overlords hate using free market solutions to pollution...

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    I hate that shit.

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    This forum has taken everything from me
    This hurts but I deserve it

  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Registered User regular
    reminds me of a Black Mirror episode I just watched the other day with a blue bear yelling shit at politicians.

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    He's not saying anything clever or witty. It's just "bwuh bwuh bwuh I'm speaking over you bwuh bwuh bwuh".

    Hobnail wrote: »
    This forum has taken everything from me
    This hurts but I deserve it

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    I hate that shit.

    I feel like this could apply to either his rhetorical style or him personally

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  • Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    It's the new Business Dept.

    Climate change department killed off by Theresa May in 'plain stupid' and 'deeply worrying' move
    The decision to abolish the Department for Energy and Climate Change has been variously condemned as “plain stupid”, “deeply worrying” and “terrible” by politicians, campaigners and experts.

    One of Theresa May’s first acts as Prime Minister was to move responsibility for climate change to a new Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy.

    Only on Monday, Government advisers had warned of the need to take urgent action to prepare the UK for floods, droughts, heatwaves and food shortages caused by climate change.

    Didn't we decide we're sick of experts? Why are these people wasting their breath.

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    It's the new Business Dept.

    Climate change department killed off by Theresa May in 'plain stupid' and 'deeply worrying' move
    The decision to abolish the Department for Energy and Climate Change has been variously condemned as “plain stupid”, “deeply worrying” and “terrible” by politicians, campaigners and experts.

    One of Theresa May’s first acts as Prime Minister was to move responsibility for climate change to a new Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy.

    Only on Monday, Government advisers had warned of the need to take urgent action to prepare the UK for floods, droughts, heatwaves and food shortages caused by climate change.

    Didn't we decide we're sick of experts? Why are these people wasting their breath.

    That's why noted expert Michael Gove is not in the cabinet

  • PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular



    About where I think things will move on from here too.

  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Jo Cox's funeral has taken place today. I hope her family can find some peace.

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  • DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist rugged, weathered Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    EDIT: eugh... bad time to make a joke, sorry.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    He's not saying anything clever or witty. It's just "bwuh bwuh bwuh I'm speaking over you bwuh bwuh bwuh".

    So are you talking about the heckler or Farage?

  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    Either.

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    This forum has taken everything from me
    This hurts but I deserve it

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  • Indie WinterIndie Winter die Krähe Rudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    lets be real

    did anyone ever think a majority of the left liked corbyn

    nevermind a potential majority of the voting population

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  • JoeUserJoeUser Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    I've started to wonder if the recent obsession with "democratically electing" the leaders of our political parties is the fault of the US election starting in August last year and the primary process getting near-saturation coverage. People thinking that getting a say in who runs a party that you then vote for at a later date is the norm when in fact it's America that is the unusual one.

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  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka What Would Nyarlathotep Do? Registered User regular
    "Shadow Arts minister" is just the coolest title

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User regular
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    "Shadow Arts minister" is just the coolest title

    I wonder if the government has to worry about defence against the shadow arts minister

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  • Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    "Shadow Arts minister" is just the coolest title

    WU TANG!

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    This whole situation with Labour is driving me absolutely berserk with rage

    These fucking traitors to the cause of actually supporting the most vulnerable members of our society are more interested in ideological purity than they are in actually getting elected. Either they're incredibly stupid or they're wilfully embracing unelectability in order to preserve their ideals in full

    The ordinary people of the UK do not need that. They need a credible and cohesive opposition with a credible and cohesive anti-austerity plan to protect the economy, protect workers rights and protect public services. They don't need Tony Blair to go to the Hague, they don't need Momentum, they don't need this anti-BBC, anti-media drive from Corbyn's supporters.

    It'd be a joke if it wasn't so horrible. What a nightmare.

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