Humm... well i hit 110 last night. Slower then some but I think i have a majority head start. This afternoon after work, I should have enough empowered soul shards to continue the class hall quests (Damn time sinks...I had to do 5 8-12 hour missions). I'm a tailor so I think I want to press that questline as hard as i can, get to the point of making imbued silkweave wraps since everyone is going to need those for Obliterum forges.
I need to make friends with a leatherworker or two and a blacksmith...maybe we can form an obliterum cartel before anyone else and corner the market.
I'm almost done with Highmountain as far as I can tell. While I love new content, I haven't really liked the zone all that much. I'm hoping my next choice will turn out a bit better. It has been mostly made up for by my glee at seeing Light's Wrath is getting hot! Randomly nuking things for 500k is amusing for sure. I can't really tell how many levels you're "supposed" to get per zone, but I just crested 103 with no rested, so maybe 3.5-4?
I finished Aszuna last night and had some rested for it and did all 4 artifact quests and some of my order hall items. It got me to just barely past 104 for that one zone.
I recall Highmountain being one of the longer and less interesting zones when I did it, but a lot of that is personal preference. Stormheim and Valsharrah are my next two destinations and hopefully I'll hit 110 without needing to do Highmountain.
I'm lvl 101 atm, would it be at all worth it to do some questing in Tanaan Jungle? I'm a returning player, entirely skipped MoP and WoD.
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From what I've been told, heroics are silly easy. Mythic (regular) dungeons are basically old heroics. You can't queue LFD for them, you have to go in a pre-made group. I'm not talking about mythic+ which is basically like rifts from diablo where you use a geegaw to make them hit harder.
So basically I was wondering who would be interested in being 110, and no terribly well geared and lenient with people and want to hang out and try some dungeons.
I'm in a guild with like 5 friends in it but they're all varying levels. I'm not a hard core guy but I'm hoping since most of my shit is alliance that I can get a couple of you crazy bastards interested in things on sunday so we can hang and try some content with people.
you can't really quest in tanaan without doing a fair amount of prep work in draenor that you don't really want to do at this point
you would be better served to just read a summary or something, and maybe go back later and build a garrison if you wanna see what the fuss was about
Cool. My main is a boosted character so I think I have a garrison, not sure what the state of it is though. Also I have no professions at all and while I normally ignore them in MMOs, this time I'm kind of thinking it might be fun for various reasons. I'll have to look into some way to catch up on that, get them leveled.
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From what I've been told, heroics are silly easy. Mythic (regular) dungeons are basically old heroics. You can't queue LFD for them, you have to go in a pre-made group. I'm not talking about mythic+ which is basically like rifts from diablo where you use a geegaw to make them hit harder.
So basically I was wondering who would be interested in being 110, and no terribly well geared and lenient with people and want to hang out and try some dungeons.
I'm in a guild with like 5 friends in it but they're all varying levels. I'm not a hard core guy but I'm hoping since most of my shit is alliance that I can get a couple of you crazy bastards interested in things on sunday so we can hang and try some content with people.
Hop in discord. I'm sure once more people get mythic ready we'll be organizing runs through there. I know I plan to.
Outside of a talent being horribly under/overpowered, you should pick the talent that works best with how you play as that will garner more performance than picking whatever talent is theorycrafted to be 1% better than the rest. So if you think the more complex talent is more fun to play with than the passive talent then play with the complex talent. No one here is part of a world first guild that needs to actually care about the miniscule differences between talents/artifacts/specs/classes and putting too much stock into that stuff will just lessen your enjoyment of the game.
Outside of a talent being horribly under/overpowered, you should pick the talent that works best with how you play as that will garner more performance than picking whatever talent is theorycrafted to be 1% better than the rest. So if you think the more complex talent is more fun to play with than the passive talent then play with the complex talent. No one here is part of a world first guild that needs to actually care about the miniscule differences between talents/artifacts/specs/classes and putting too much stock into that stuff will just lessen your enjoyment of the game.
Honestly, I think this is partly why I'm diving into this expac so easily. Back in the older expacs (Cata and earlier), I would look at theorycrafting and such and try to decide if the 1% or 2% potential damage loss of picking a particular talent was worth the fun I'd have with a different choice I'd have to make. Most of the time, I took talents that weren't "the best" and made them be good because they fit my playstyle and what I enjoyed using. Now I don't have to bother with worrying about making a sub-optimal choice since most of them for any class/spec are actual sidegrades or situational. I can take the passives on my "lazy" character and only have 3 buttons to push, and I can take the ultra complex rotational choices for the characters where I love the added complexity that they add to the basic rotations or priorities. And noone is going to yell at me for it! (Except for Barrage and Sidewinders, those are always the "wrong" choice, because god forbid there's an accident and my finger slips, suddenly there's 30 extra mobs charging the poor healer. I really should just not play hunter...)
Resubbed tonight, currently trying to get my priest up to 100. Actually that's a lie, I'm currently downloading mods and trying to get my UI to not look like ass.
Priest has changed a bit it seems, I'm going to have to read up on this Insanity mechanic.
Yeah the new talent system has created a lot of "well this is good and this is good, this one more situational." For talents. I swear other games are expanding and putting more shitty number crunching talents, but wow has actually gotten to a point where the talents are flavor and not neccessity.
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Resubbed tonight, currently trying to get my priest up to 100. Actually that's a lie, I'm currently downloading mods and trying to get my UI to not look like ass.
Priest has changed a bit it seems, I'm going to have to read up on this Insanity mechanic.
that, and all you can really do before 110 is get the class hall campaign missions done (and maybe not even all of those, probably depends on what champs you start with.) All I've really done with my alts so far is get to their class hall and get their rested exp cooking.
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I'm having fun on my Mage. I've gotten my three artifacts, I've cleared Azsuna, and I've reached level 103. But I also want to play the other classes and see their order halls.
I'm thinking that I get all my alts their first artifact and let my Mage's rested XP accrue.
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If you watch close at the end of the one I posted, he types in "wat" which is what did it for me. I'm just imaging the character walking up, waving, and then everything goes to 11 with no warning.
An option that you explicitly said you find fun is equal to the other talents on the row?
The occasional mistake you might make renders your character crippled? Okay.
I have news for you. You are making mistakes much more significant in impact every time you walk into an instance. Using a single drinking brew at the wrong time is more significant a mistake than messing up ten blackout combo ability triggers.
Yeah, I find it *way* more fun. But it is more prone to errors and needs more effort. If I can make my character better by having the more boring talent by removing risk of errors, obviously that's better. Much of WoW is about increasing the character's power, and not choosing the objectively better talent pretty much goes against that.
And yeah, I do think the talent could be much more impactful. That's pretty much my point.
I just got ranged AoE skinning. That's pretty neat!
The problem with making it more powerful is that then forces people who do NOT find the talent fun to take it, because now it's the best.
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I think mythic+ is a bad name but that makes sense!
They are actually called Mythic Keystone dungeons. The community dubbed them Mythic+.
Also, yeah, plain Mythic dungeons aren't as hard as you might think. They are a step up from Heroic, but not a massive one. We went in there with me as an 825 tank, an 825 healer, and a smattering of DPS from 800-815 and while we wiped a few times we got through four of them in the end.
Outside of a talent being horribly under/overpowered, you should pick the talent that works best with how you play as that will garner more performance than picking whatever talent is theorycrafted to be 1% better than the rest. So if you think the more complex talent is more fun to play with than the passive talent then play with the complex talent. No one here is part of a world first guild that needs to actually care about the miniscule differences between talents/artifacts/specs/classes and putting too much stock into that stuff will just lessen your enjoyment of the game.
Honestly, I think this is partly why I'm diving into this expac so easily. Back in the older expacs (Cata and earlier), I would look at theorycrafting and such and try to decide if the 1% or 2% potential damage loss of picking a particular talent was worth the fun I'd have with a different choice I'd have to make. Most of the time, I took talents that weren't "the best" and made them be good because they fit my playstyle and what I enjoyed using. Now I don't have to bother with worrying about making a sub-optimal choice since most of them for any class/spec are actual sidegrades or situational. I can take the passives on my "lazy" character and only have 3 buttons to push, and I can take the ultra complex rotational choices for the characters where I love the added complexity that they add to the basic rotations or priorities. And noone is going to yell at me for it! (Except for Barrage and Sidewinders, those are always the "wrong" choice, because god forbid there's an accident and my finger slips, suddenly there's 30 extra mobs charging the poor healer. I really should just not play hunter...)
Yeah, I was stuck in a minmaxing trap for a long time, even though I stopped "hardcore" raiding during TBC and even semi-serious raiding after WotLK. It wasn't until halfway through WoD that I finally had the revelation that I have no reason to care about any of that stuff at all anymore. Now I mostly pick talents based on visual effects and/or whichever talent results in the smoothest rotation.
Outside of a talent being horribly under/overpowered, you should pick the talent that works best with how you play as that will garner more performance than picking whatever talent is theorycrafted to be 1% better than the rest. So if you think the more complex talent is more fun to play with than the passive talent then play with the complex talent. No one here is part of a world first guild that needs to actually care about the miniscule differences between talents/artifacts/specs/classes and putting too much stock into that stuff will just lessen your enjoyment of the game.
Honestly, I think this is partly why I'm diving into this expac so easily. Back in the older expacs (Cata and earlier), I would look at theorycrafting and such and try to decide if the 1% or 2% potential damage loss of picking a particular talent was worth the fun I'd have with a different choice I'd have to make. Most of the time, I took talents that weren't "the best" and made them be good because they fit my playstyle and what I enjoyed using. Now I don't have to bother with worrying about making a sub-optimal choice since most of them for any class/spec are actual sidegrades or situational. I can take the passives on my "lazy" character and only have 3 buttons to push, and I can take the ultra complex rotational choices for the characters where I love the added complexity that they add to the basic rotations or priorities. And noone is going to yell at me for it! (Except for Barrage and Sidewinders, those are always the "wrong" choice, because god forbid there's an accident and my finger slips, suddenly there's 30 extra mobs charging the poor healer. I really should just not play hunter...)
Yeah, I was stuck in a minmaxing trap for a long time, even though I stopped "hardcore" raiding during TBC and even semi-serious raiding after WotLK. It wasn't until halfway through WoD that I finally had the revelation that I have no reason to care about any of that stuff at all anymore. Now I mostly pick talents based on visual effects and/or whichever talent results in the smoothest rotation.
Yea, exactly. I was stoked when I found out DH had a talent that removed the "builder" ability for their energy thing. People I talked to called it boring and not as good as the others in that row, but I cared not. My DH only cares about murdering things that are demons, and he does that best when he doesn't need to build up rage or fury or whatever it's called and can just dash around and slash stuff like he's an anime character.
The problem with making it more powerful is that then forces people who do NOT find the talent fun to take it, because now it's the best.
And the problem with making it equal in power is it forces people (well, it forces me, in any case) to pick the incredibly boring talent that's just better because you can't ever fail with it. If the two talents are equal with very good play, the stupid boring talent is inevitably better since humans make mistakes.
Got around to running some mythics as well. It was damn fun, some of the bosses felt like the glorious times of early Cata heroics. Went from 818 to 829 from like 4 mythics. Maw of Souls and Vault of the Wardens end bosses were rough (and really enjoyable), the rest wasn't too bad. Brewmaster self heals are insane when on low health, it's easy to sustain health almost indefinitely against bosses with healer dead.
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The problem with making it more powerful is that then forces people who do NOT find the talent fun to take it, because now it's the best.
And the problem with making it equal in power is it forces people (well, it forces me, in any case) to pick the incredibly boring talent that's just better because you can't ever fail with it. If the two talents are equal with very good play, the stupid boring talent is inevitably better since humans make mistakes.
And my point is that you are blowing that potential dropoff from making mistakes WAY out of proportion. A mistake might drop the power of Blackout Combo to 99% of High Tolerance, but you're acting like it drops it to 30% of it.
Other mistakes you make like missing an interrupt, failing to silence a caster, or any other mistake tanks can make, is going to be 10x more significant than occasionally flubbing your blackout combo.
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Yeah, but you can interrupt regardless of what talent you take. If we're doing hyperboles, raiding with the cool fishing pole is obviously ok because it's better than jumping off the cliff. Or something, I'm not very good at this. Anyway, if you fail with the more complex talent, you should take the stupid boring talent instead. And since they're more or less equal when you fail very little.. why would you ever take the more complex talent? It's inevitable that any player will make mistakes.
Also, the fact that making a mistake with Blackout Combo (and other more interesting talent choices) isn't very impactful is part of the problem I have with this. It should matter what you do, what buttons you press.
One thing that makes me happy with the early dungeons is tank damage being relevant. I'm often above some dps players even in boss fights.. could be it's the dps or their gear to blame, but regardless it's so much better than doing <30% of what dps does. It matters, especially in 5 mans. I hope this does scale into raids at least somewhat.
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And here I am still level 101.
I need to make friends with a leatherworker or two and a blacksmith...maybe we can form an obliterum cartel before anyone else and corner the market.
I finished Aszuna last night and had some rested for it and did all 4 artifact quests and some of my order hall items. It got me to just barely past 104 for that one zone.
I recall Highmountain being one of the longer and less interesting zones when I did it, but a lot of that is personal preference. Stormheim and Valsharrah are my next two destinations and hopefully I'll hit 110 without needing to do Highmountain.
Not really. Just go do the new Legion content. You'll get more XP and gear, artifact power, and relics.
I'm already 826, because I jumped in with a bunch of guildies doing mythics.
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you would be better served to just read a summary or something, and maybe go back later and build a garrison if you wanna see what the fuss was about
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So basically I was wondering who would be interested in being 110, and no terribly well geared and lenient with people and want to hang out and try some dungeons.
I'm in a guild with like 5 friends in it but they're all varying levels. I'm not a hard core guy but I'm hoping since most of my shit is alliance that I can get a couple of you crazy bastards interested in things on sunday so we can hang and try some content with people.
Cool. My main is a boosted character so I think I have a garrison, not sure what the state of it is though. Also I have no professions at all and while I normally ignore them in MMOs, this time I'm kind of thinking it might be fun for various reasons. I'll have to look into some way to catch up on that, get them leveled.
explains some things.
Hop in discord. I'm sure once more people get mythic ready we'll be organizing runs through there. I know I plan to.
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Honestly, I think this is partly why I'm diving into this expac so easily. Back in the older expacs (Cata and earlier), I would look at theorycrafting and such and try to decide if the 1% or 2% potential damage loss of picking a particular talent was worth the fun I'd have with a different choice I'd have to make. Most of the time, I took talents that weren't "the best" and made them be good because they fit my playstyle and what I enjoyed using. Now I don't have to bother with worrying about making a sub-optimal choice since most of them for any class/spec are actual sidegrades or situational. I can take the passives on my "lazy" character and only have 3 buttons to push, and I can take the ultra complex rotational choices for the characters where I love the added complexity that they add to the basic rotations or priorities. And noone is going to yell at me for it! (Except for Barrage and Sidewinders, those are always the "wrong" choice, because god forbid there's an accident and my finger slips, suddenly there's 30 extra mobs charging the poor healer. I really should just not play hunter...)
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Priest has changed a bit it seems, I'm going to have to read up on this Insanity mechanic.
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But what if you are stuck on a rather dead server is it still not like random heroics or dungeons?
I'm thinking that I get all my alts their first artifact and let my Mage's rested XP accrue.
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If you watch close at the end of the one I posted, he types in "wat" which is what did it for me. I'm just imaging the character walking up, waving, and then everything goes to 11 with no warning.
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The problem with making it more powerful is that then forces people who do NOT find the talent fun to take it, because now it's the best.
They are actually called Mythic Keystone dungeons. The community dubbed them Mythic+.
Also, yeah, plain Mythic dungeons aren't as hard as you might think. They are a step up from Heroic, but not a massive one. We went in there with me as an 825 tank, an 825 healer, and a smattering of DPS from 800-815 and while we wiped a few times we got through four of them in the end.
Yeah, I was stuck in a minmaxing trap for a long time, even though I stopped "hardcore" raiding during TBC and even semi-serious raiding after WotLK. It wasn't until halfway through WoD that I finally had the revelation that I have no reason to care about any of that stuff at all anymore. Now I mostly pick talents based on visual effects and/or whichever talent results in the smoothest rotation.
Yea, exactly. I was stoked when I found out DH had a talent that removed the "builder" ability for their energy thing. People I talked to called it boring and not as good as the others in that row, but I cared not. My DH only cares about murdering things that are demons, and he does that best when he doesn't need to build up rage or fury or whatever it's called and can just dash around and slash stuff like he's an anime character.
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And the problem with making it equal in power is it forces people (well, it forces me, in any case) to pick the incredibly boring talent that's just better because you can't ever fail with it. If the two talents are equal with very good play, the stupid boring talent is inevitably better since humans make mistakes.
Got around to running some mythics as well. It was damn fun, some of the bosses felt like the glorious times of early Cata heroics. Went from 818 to 829 from like 4 mythics. Maw of Souls and Vault of the Wardens end bosses were rough (and really enjoyable), the rest wasn't too bad. Brewmaster self heals are insane when on low health, it's easy to sustain health almost indefinitely against bosses with healer dead.
And my point is that you are blowing that potential dropoff from making mistakes WAY out of proportion. A mistake might drop the power of Blackout Combo to 99% of High Tolerance, but you're acting like it drops it to 30% of it.
Other mistakes you make like missing an interrupt, failing to silence a caster, or any other mistake tanks can make, is going to be 10x more significant than occasionally flubbing your blackout combo.
Also, the fact that making a mistake with Blackout Combo (and other more interesting talent choices) isn't very impactful is part of the problem I have with this. It should matter what you do, what buttons you press.
One thing that makes me happy with the early dungeons is tank damage being relevant. I'm often above some dps players even in boss fights.. could be it's the dps or their gear to blame, but regardless it's so much better than doing <30% of what dps does. It matters, especially in 5 mans. I hope this does scale into raids at least somewhat.