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[World of Darkness] Red Star shining at WW HQ, heads to roll

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  • MoosehatIVMoosehatIV Registered User regular
    .... That is certainly an odd survey. Expecting, do you like vampires y/n. Instead got please explain your sexual preferences and details about where you live.

  • Grunt's GhostsGrunt's Ghosts Registered User regular
    I think they want to know more about their player base than what they like/dislike about the games. We might see the "like/dislike" survey later.

  • Grunt's GhostsGrunt's Ghosts Registered User regular
    A thing I didn't know, there are three Hunter video games?

  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    MoosehatIV wrote: »
    .... That is certainly an odd survey. Expecting, do you like vampires y/n. Instead got please explain your sexual preferences and details about where you live.
    It's the sort of information you normally pay datascrapers for to build marketing data; they're just getting you to provide it directly.

    I'm actually torn about whether this is admirable or despicable.

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  • Grunt's GhostsGrunt's Ghosts Registered User regular
    Ardent wrote: »
    MoosehatIV wrote: »
    .... That is certainly an odd survey. Expecting, do you like vampires y/n. Instead got please explain your sexual preferences and details about where you live.
    It's the sort of information you normally pay datascrapers for to build marketing data; they're just getting you to provide it directly.

    I'm actually torn about whether this is admirable or despicable.

    It's likely cheaper, which is good in my book. Spend money on things that matter, like writers, artist, strong hardback books, ect.

  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    Vampires: I hate 'em!

    Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.
  • WhiteZinfandelWhiteZinfandel Registered User regular
    A thing I didn't know, there are three Hunter video games?

    Yep. The last one was best, in case you're interested.

    I have a complete set of the Venture Bros. Season 7 t-shirt club medium-size t-shirts for sale. PM me if you're interested.
    Moridin889
  • Grunt's GhostsGrunt's Ghosts Registered User regular
    A thing I didn't know, there are three Hunter video games?

    Yep. The last one was best, in case you're interested.

    I'd like to play them all but they are all on different and old consoles, none of them I own.

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Chantry of NightmaresRegistered User regular
    A thing I didn't know, there are three Hunter video games?

    Yep. The last one was best, in case you're interested.

    I wouldn't call it anything approaching accurate to Hunter power levels, unless you're playing as someone from Task Force Valkyrie. You cut through vampires and garou like they're made of tissue.

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    Well, good morning. Welcome to the new scenario. What should we do today?
  • Grunt's GhostsGrunt's Ghosts Registered User regular
    Holy crap. I just seen the cover for H:tR Wayward and I remember having that as my desktop background in middle school, before I had even really heard of roleplaying games like WoD.

  • WhiteZinfandelWhiteZinfandel Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    A thing I didn't know, there are three Hunter video games?

    Yep. The last one was best, in case you're interested.

    I wouldn't call it anything approaching accurate to Hunter power levels, unless you're playing as someone from Task Force Valkyrie. You cut through vampires and garou like they're made of tissue.

    Can you imagine a Hunter game coming close to the source material? I imagine it would play sort of like alpha protocol with 1/4th the enemies, more conversations, and a lot more emphasis on setting up clever traps.

    I have a complete set of the Venture Bros. Season 7 t-shirt club medium-size t-shirts for sale. PM me if you're interested.
  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Chantry of NightmaresRegistered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    A thing I didn't know, there are three Hunter video games?

    Yep. The last one was best, in case you're interested.

    I wouldn't call it anything approaching accurate to Hunter power levels, unless you're playing as someone from Task Force Valkyrie. You cut through vampires and garou like they're made of tissue.

    Can you imagine a Hunter game coming close to the source material? I imagine it would play sort of like alpha protocol with 1/4th the enemies, more conversations, and a lot more emphasis on setting up clever traps.

    I think it'd be pretty great, with the right setup.

    9LlOwgn.png
    Well, good morning. Welcome to the new scenario. What should we do today?
    WhiteZinfandel
  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    I would play the hell out of Hunter Protocol.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

    They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
    cj iwakuraWhiteZinfandelMoridin889
  • E.CoyoteE.Coyote Registered User regular
    Some of the vamp glassware and a dark ages candle holder popped up on ebay this morning if anyone collects the merch.

  • Grunt's GhostsGrunt's Ghosts Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    A thing I didn't know, there are three Hunter video games?

    Yep. The last one was best, in case you're interested.

    I wouldn't call it anything approaching accurate to Hunter power levels, unless you're playing as someone from Task Force Valkyrie. You cut through vampires and garou like they're made of tissue.

    Can you imagine a Hunter game coming close to the source material? I imagine it would play sort of like alpha protocol with 1/4th the enemies, more conversations, and a lot more emphasis on setting up clever traps.

    I think it'd be pretty great, with the right setup.

    Like a Dishonored Dark Souls in Modern Times?

  • Grunt's GhostsGrunt's Ghosts Registered User regular
    thfdwpi6ejme.jpg

    The White Wolf team playing the very first Vampire: The Masquerade 5th Edition Table Top playtest game set in the gritty urban streets of Croydon in the UK.

    ameybes
  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    At least they're letting Rasputin run it.

    If anyone can smooth out the WoD rules exploits, it's probably him.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

    They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
    cj iwakuraArdentZombie GandhiToxjakobagger
  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    No dice.

    Diceless game confirmed.

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    ameybes
  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    I didn't notice that.

    Intriguing if remotely true.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

    They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
    ameybes
  • Grunt's GhostsGrunt's Ghosts Registered User regular
    The guy in the white shirt looks like he has a black d10 on his sheet.

  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    The sheet tonsure dude is holding looks pretty much exactly like the oWoD Vampire stuff.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

    They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    A thing I didn't know, there are three Hunter video games?

    Yep. The last one was best, in case you're interested.

    I wouldn't call it anything approaching accurate to Hunter power levels, unless you're playing as someone from Task Force Valkyrie. You cut through vampires and garou like they're made of tissue.

    Can you imagine a Hunter game coming close to the source material? I imagine it would play sort of like alpha protocol with 1/4th the enemies, more conversations, and a lot more emphasis on setting up clever traps.

    I think it'd be pretty great, with the right setup.

    Buying up all of the ball bearings.

  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    I didn't notice that.

    Intriguing if remotely true.
    I will note that all of the people involved are known more for their involvement in the LARP, with one notable exception.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Ardent wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    I didn't notice that.

    Intriguing if remotely true.
    I will note that all of the people involved are known more for their involvement in the LARP, with one notable exception.

    That's pretty unsurprising. My impression is that the people that are still super into WoD on the level of spearheading a resurrection were probably gonna be LARPers.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

    They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
    ameybes
  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Ardent wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    I didn't notice that.

    Intriguing if remotely true.
    I will note that all of the people involved are known more for their involvement in the LARP, with one notable exception.

    That's pretty unsurprising. My impression is that the people that are still super into WoD on the level of spearheading a resurrection were probably gonna be LARPers.
    Which is why I would expect something closer to MET (or a GM-does-the-rolls system) than what tabletop gamers might be familiar with.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    I'm gonna laugh if the nnWoD is PbtA or something.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

    They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    I'm gonna laugh if the nnWoD is PbtA or something.
    Why? It would be a fundamentally better game than the old Storyteller-based games.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Well, I think PbtA specifically would have a hard time doing WoD style horror. Monster hearts bring the counterexample, but it's not exactly what WoD tried to cast itself as. That much player agency can only really coexist with existential horror if literally everything you do causes you to drift further into monstrousness.

    But mostly I would just be tickled by the fact that a bunch of amateur fans actually admitted to themselves that they weren't up to the task and used something completely unrelated but established to build the new game around.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

    They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    But that's what all game designers do, fundamentally. Steal good ideas from other writers.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    And it's exactly the opposite of what I'm expecting out of nnWoD.

    They may yet surprise me.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

    They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
  • Grunt's GhostsGrunt's Ghosts Registered User regular
    Vampire, imo, is more about you as a pawn fighting through the social and political pyramid scheme of vampire and human societies while fighting the darkness both in you and around you.

    Monsterhearts is about growing up as both a person and a monster, working to find that balance between them.

    Also, I don't think they would go to PtbA system for 5th Edition mostly because they Storyteller is their system, it's what their fans expect. Even if it is out-dated and might be harder to update it to modern gaming standards than making a whole new system, I think that they are going to stick with it.

  • ToxTox I kill threads Punch DimensionRegistered User regular
    The real question is can WoD survive such a fundamental change to their core mechanics?

    Imagine if D&D tried to do something wildly different like that. I mean, look at the mechanical changes between AD&D 2nd edition and 3.x as just a small example (they still kept the same basic 'roll a d20' rule, just revamped how it worked).

    Although if they lean into LARP, iirc nWoD LARP rules just use a single d20 roll instead of all the d10s. So they could maybe do that?

    Personally I preferred using d6s anyway, especially with nWoD. The "10-again" rule becomes "exploding 6s" instead.

    It'll be interesting to see what they decide to do and how folks react to it.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    I honestly question how far they can stray from the original "roll a handful of d10s, interpret like goat entrails" system they had without engaging their potential for market penetration.

    Either they're banking on a bunch of old fans coming back, in which case big alterations are a bad idea, or they're trying for a new base of players, which means they need to fix their system. Third option being that this is all just a publicity stunt to gun up interest in a new set of computer RPGs, in which case they're probably fine essentially paying lip service to the handfuls of d10s mess and balancing it for their own needs.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

    They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    I doubt they're banking on the old fans coming back. Once you lose fans getting them back is really tricky.

    They're likely writing a system that relies more on the "buy a core system and follow our Patreon for new material" model, which can go either way, but is usually easier when you're leaning narrative.

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  • Professor PhobosProfessor Phobos Registered User regular
    In fairness, the new edition of Kult is using a heavily modified PbtA engine. It's not necessarily out of the question for handling a modern-day urban horror setting well.

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Ardent wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    I'm gonna laugh if the nnWoD is PbtA or something.
    Why? It would be a fundamentally better game than the old Storyteller-based games.

    In your opinion. If it was PbtA I'd never buy another book by them, so I hope they don't go down that route

    Grunt's GhostsAssuranToxLanlaorn
  • Grunt's GhostsGrunt's Ghosts Registered User regular
    Yeah, I don't like PbtA as a GM. As a player, it's fine. But I can't image it's easy to enforce dread and fear on players when you are completely relying on the players' rolls/moves.

  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    Ardent wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    I'm gonna laugh if the nnWoD is PbtA or something.
    Why? It would be a fundamentally better game than the old Storyteller-based games.

    In your opinion. If it was PbtA I'd never buy another book by them, so I hope they don't go down that route
    No, it'd objectively be a better game.

    Whether it's the game someone wants is subjective.

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  • Grunt's GhostsGrunt's Ghosts Registered User regular
    Ardent wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    Ardent wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    I'm gonna laugh if the nnWoD is PbtA or something.
    Why? It would be a fundamentally better game than the old Storyteller-based games.

    In your opinion. If it was PbtA I'd never buy another book by them, so I hope they don't go down that route
    No, it'd objectively be a better game.

    Whether it's the game someone wants is subjective.

    I don't know about objectively better but it would be a different beast, which I think is the part of the problem with this argument. Too different and you lose your hard core fan base. Too same, and people will question why they would buy your book if they can do just about the same thing with older editions.

    Plus, wouldn't they have to pay Vincent Baker or some publisher to use PbtA?

  • ArdentArdent Registered User regular
    PbtA is a design award winner several times over. It's difficult to take someone seriously arguing that Storyteller is better than it.

    Personal preference, however, is entirely subjective.

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