The Conway thing yesterday is so clearly a huge ethics violation and so neatly circumscribes the problem with not divesting holdings that it actually feels like a plotline from Veep or something.
How all these things will just float by with no penalty or correction whatsoever, and in the long run normalized to the republican machinery, makes me think we're looking at US as a failed state down the line.
It was fun while it lasted, and you sure had a good run!
The Conway thing yesterday is so clearly a huge ethics violation and so neatly circumscribes the problem with not divesting holdings that it actually feels like a plotline from Veep or something.
How all these things will just float by with no penalty or correction whatsoever, and in the long run normalized to the republican machinery, makes me think we're looking at US as a failed state down the line.
It was fun while it lasted, and you sure had a good run!
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Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
The Conway thing yesterday is so clearly a huge ethics violation and so neatly circumscribes the problem with not divesting holdings that it actually feels like a plotline from Veep or something.
How all these things will just float by with no penalty or correction whatsoever, and in the long run normalized to the republican machinery, makes me think we're looking at US as a failed state down the line.
It was fun while it lasted, and you sure had a good run!
Did we really though?
Like seriously, I've been in churches that took longer to build than it took for the United States to become a complete fuckin farse.
The Conway thing yesterday is so clearly a huge ethics violation and so neatly circumscribes the problem with not divesting holdings that it actually feels like a plotline from Veep or something.
How all these things will just float by with no penalty or correction whatsoever, and in the long run normalized to the republican machinery, makes me think we're looking at US as a failed state down the line.
It was fun while it lasted, and you sure had a good run!
Did we really though?
Like seriously, I've been in churches that took longer to build than it took for the United States to become a complete fuckin farse.
Maybe this is just the tricky teenage years where America pushes the boundaries set by their parents
Unfortunately without an effective way to discipline a teenager or make them face consequences for their actions, you get... well, Donald Trump
The Conway thing yesterday is so clearly a huge ethics violation and so neatly circumscribes the problem with not divesting holdings that it actually feels like a plotline from Veep or something.
How all these things will just float by with no penalty or correction whatsoever, and in the long run normalized to the republican machinery, makes me think we're looking at US as a failed state down the line.
It was fun while it lasted, and you sure had a good run!
Did we really though?
Like seriously, I've been in churches that took longer to build than it took for the United States to become a complete fuckin farse.
For modern governments its hard to think of one older than the US. Britain maybe a hundred or so years older if you count from the Restoration or Act of union. Other than that no major nation really comes to mind.
The Conway thing yesterday is so clearly a huge ethics violation and so neatly circumscribes the problem with not divesting holdings that it actually feels like a plotline from Veep or something.
How all these things will just float by with no penalty or correction whatsoever, and in the long run normalized to the republican machinery, makes me think we're looking at US as a failed state down the line.
It was fun while it lasted, and you sure had a good run!
Did we really though?
Like seriously, I've been in churches that took longer to build than it took for the United States to become a complete fuckin farse.
For modern governments its hard to think of one older than the US. Britain maybe a hundred or so years older if you count from the Restoration or Act of union. Other than that no major nation really comes to mind.
I think the UK has the oldest contiguous government in the world, if you don't count the 1999 devolution (recreation of Scottish Parliament) to be a break.
Also depends on whether you count "change in constitution" as a change in government, or whether that change has to really alter the manner in which power is distributed in the country as the Articles of Confederation did. E.g. does the French government date from the 5th Republic, or from the installation of the unbroken chain of democracy from 1871?
Either way, even stable democracies change constitutions once in a while when confronted by the problems facing our country now.
The Conway thing yesterday is so clearly a huge ethics violation and so neatly circumscribes the problem with not divesting holdings that it actually feels like a plotline from Veep or something.
How all these things will just float by with no penalty or correction whatsoever, and in the long run normalized to the republican machinery, makes me think we're looking at US as a failed state down the line.
It was fun while it lasted, and you sure had a good run!
Did we really though?
Like seriously, I've been in churches that took longer to build than it took for the United States to become a complete fuckin farse.
For modern governments its hard to think of one older than the US. Britain maybe a hundred or so years older if you count from the Restoration or Act of union. Other than that no major nation really comes to mind.
The Conway thing yesterday is so clearly a huge ethics violation and so neatly circumscribes the problem with not divesting holdings that it actually feels like a plotline from Veep or something.
How all these things will just float by with no penalty or correction whatsoever, and in the long run normalized to the republican machinery, makes me think we're looking at US as a failed state down the line.
It was fun while it lasted, and you sure had a good run!
Did we really though?
Like seriously, I've been in churches that took longer to build than it took for the United States to become a complete fuckin farse.
For modern governments its hard to think of one older than the US. Britain maybe a hundred or so years older if you count from the Restoration or Act of union. Other than that no major nation really comes to mind.
Norway.
Independent from Sweden in 1905?
Constitution of 1814. But that's still younger than the US. (Fun fact: Norway has the world's second oldest constitution still in use, the US has the oldest.)
The Conway thing yesterday is so clearly a huge ethics violation and so neatly circumscribes the problem with not divesting holdings that it actually feels like a plotline from Veep or something.
How all these things will just float by with no penalty or correction whatsoever, and in the long run normalized to the republican machinery, makes me think we're looking at US as a failed state down the line.
It was fun while it lasted, and you sure had a good run!
Did we really though?
Like seriously, I've been in churches that took longer to build than it took for the United States to become a complete fuckin farse.
For modern governments its hard to think of one older than the US. Britain maybe a hundred or so years older if you count from the Restoration or Act of union. Other than that no major nation really comes to mind.
I'm not entirely sure, but it looks like San Marino might have the US beat by a hundred years? Maybe? Or a thousand four hundred years. I'm not really sure if there's been any breaks in San Marino's government during its seventeen-hundred-year-reign, but that's probably just my ignorance speaking. It's kind of hard to talk about constitutions and stuff when you go back that far, since the concept of nation-states was a bit different.
Interesting factoid, though: they made Lincoln an honorary citizen.
The Conway thing yesterday is so clearly a huge ethics violation and so neatly circumscribes the problem with not divesting holdings that it actually feels like a plotline from Veep or something.
How all these things will just float by with no penalty or correction whatsoever, and in the long run normalized to the republican machinery, makes me think we're looking at US as a failed state down the line.
It was fun while it lasted, and you sure had a good run!
Did we really though?
Like seriously, I've been in churches that took longer to build than it took for the United States to become a complete fuckin farse.
For modern governments its hard to think of one older than the US. Britain maybe a hundred or so years older if you count from the Restoration or Act of union. Other than that no major nation really comes to mind.
Norway.
Independent from Sweden in 1905?
Constitution of 1814. But that's still younger than the US. (Fun fact: Norway has the world's second oldest constitution still in use, the US has the oldest.)
And our Constitution is drastically different from the framing. Eighteen year old black non-land owning women are directly electing members of the United States Senate. A governing body that can levy an income tax independent of Census data while regulating intrastate commerce to ensure equal protection and due process.
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This is an interesting tangent but let's refocus on the main topic. If someone wants to start a spin-off thread to talk about oldest continuous governments/constitutions, they are certainly free to do so and I would enjoy reading it.
But even as he confronted one of the gravest matters of his office, Trump nonetheless found it impossible to resist dropping in on a nearby wedding reception, already underway in his treasured Grand Ballroom. Trump designed and built the space himself after purchasing Mar-a-Lago in the 1980s.
Entering the ornate room, Trump took a photo with the bride and her bridesmaids, who posed in red gowns next to the commander in chief, mimicking his signature thumbs-up.
Then he grabbed a microphone.
"I saw them out on the lawn today," Trump said of the bride and groom, who were standing nearby. "I said to the Prime Minister of Japan, I said, 'C'mon Shinzo, let's go over and say hello.' "
"They've been members of this club for a long time," Trump said of the newlyweds. "They've paid me a fortune."
He is not even trying to make the pay for access possibilities less obvious.
He's going to make that Merkel shoulder grab look invitingly consensual.
I'm thinking people are going to look back on the halcyon GWB years fondly. From "My Pet Goat" to the Merkel thing, to the handling of Hurricane Katrina and Iraq.
"Remember when that was the worst a Republican President was capable of?"
He's going to make that Merkel shoulder grab look invitingly consensual.
I'm thinking people are going to look back on the halcyon GWB years fondly. From "My Pet Goat" to the Merkel thing, to the handling of Hurricane Katrina and Iraq.
"Remember when that was the worst a Republican President was capable of?"
"Not literally a Nazi" - where the bar is right now.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
But even as he confronted one of the gravest matters of his office, Trump nonetheless found it impossible to resist dropping in on a nearby wedding reception, already underway in his treasured Grand Ballroom. Trump designed and built the space himself after purchasing Mar-a-Lago in the 1980s.
Entering the ornate room, Trump took a photo with the bride and her bridesmaids, who posed in red gowns next to the commander in chief, mimicking his signature thumbs-up.
Then he grabbed a microphone.
"I saw them out on the lawn today," Trump said of the bride and groom, who were standing nearby. "I said to the Prime Minister of Japan, I said, 'C'mon Shinzo, let's go over and say hello.' "
"They've been members of this club for a long time," Trump said of the newlyweds. "They've paid me a fortune."
He is not even trying to make the pay for access possibilities less obvious.
This is 100% pure fucking garbage. It gives me a visceral reaction that I can't even describe.
'Hey, you want to go meet the President? Book your wedding at Mar-a-Lago!'
Fuck every Goddamn snake & worm claiming to be folksy conservatives that refuse to impeach this pick pocket. This is how a nation dies, if not with a bang. Maybe America survives Trump; America will probably not survive the endless chain of matchstick men that follow, leveraging this new normal to get even fatter & drunker than they already were while relaxing in their private palace rather than working in the capitol buildings.
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The best thing to ever happen to George W. Bush is Donald J. Trump.
But even as he confronted one of the gravest matters of his office, Trump nonetheless found it impossible to resist dropping in on a nearby wedding reception, already underway in his treasured Grand Ballroom. Trump designed and built the space himself after purchasing Mar-a-Lago in the 1980s.
Entering the ornate room, Trump took a photo with the bride and her bridesmaids, who posed in red gowns next to the commander in chief, mimicking his signature thumbs-up.
Then he grabbed a microphone.
"I saw them out on the lawn today," Trump said of the bride and groom, who were standing nearby. "I said to the Prime Minister of Japan, I said, 'C'mon Shinzo, let's go over and say hello.' "
"They've been members of this club for a long time," Trump said of the newlyweds. "They've paid me a fortune."
He is not even trying to make the pay for access possibilities less obvious.
This is 100% pure fucking garbage. It gives me a visceral reaction that I can't even describe.
'Hey, you want to go meet the President? Book your wedding at Mar-a-Lago!'
Fuck every Goddamn snake & worm claiming to be folksy conservatives that refuse to impeach this pick pocket. This is how a nation dies, if not with a bang. Maybe America survives Trump; America will probably not survive the endless chain of matchstick men that follow, leveraging this new normal to get even fatter & drunker than they already were while relaxing in their private palace rather than working in the capitol buildings.
The best thing to ever happen to George W. Bush is Donald J. Trump.
Actually, it was probably meeting Laura
For the actual person, of any President, I doubt we'd even know. We mostly discuss the public image of Presidents because it is the only thing that any of us have access too.
In that sense, Donald Trump is absolutely the best thing to happen to Bush the lesser.
Is there anything out there about how the Secret Service has secured the Mar-a-lago? Because if Trump is going to insist on hanging around public spaces where anyone can get in and out with a club membership... yeah... I don't think spies would need this cue to already be there.
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It's a pretty funny/sad contrast, seeing certain Republicans need police in full-on riot gear because they're terrified of protestors while the goddamn President just ups and crashes wedding receptions, allowing anyone to get near him and pose for photos.
But he is just that egotistic and needs people to be surprised to see him "acting like a common civilian."
Edit: or rather, behavior he thinks is befitting a civilian.
It's a pretty funny/sad contrast, seeing certain Republicans need police in full-on riot gear because they're terrified of protestors while the goddamn President just ups and crashes wedding receptions, allowing anyone to get near him and pose for photos.
But he is just that egotistic and needs people to be surprised to see him "acting like a common civilian."
Common civilians don't crash weddings.
I feel bad for the folks who had their wedding interrupted by this shit gibbon
Cue countries sending in as many spies as possible to work at Mar-a-Lago.
I very strongly suspect that the staff is already being paid as spies and/or it has already been infiltrated with spies and the place is bugged to all hell, and mostly Russian. Putin might even have suggested somehow to Trump that he have his own vacation spot, like a winter palace for relaxation, like say that Mar-a-Lago would be great, and Trump is stupid enough to run right into the trap.
Betcha Trump's every bowel movement is being recorded by the FSB.
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It was fun while it lasted, and you sure had a good run!
It seems to be the destiny of all modern superpowers
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Did we really though?
Like seriously, I've been in churches that took longer to build than it took for the United States to become a complete fuckin farse.
@mim either Russia thread or there was a thread specifically started about the dossier if you can find it
Maybe this is just the tricky teenage years where America pushes the boundaries set by their parents
Unfortunately without an effective way to discipline a teenager or make them face consequences for their actions, you get... well, Donald Trump
For modern governments its hard to think of one older than the US. Britain maybe a hundred or so years older if you count from the Restoration or Act of union. Other than that no major nation really comes to mind.
Norway.
Also depends on whether you count "change in constitution" as a change in government, or whether that change has to really alter the manner in which power is distributed in the country as the Articles of Confederation did. E.g. does the French government date from the 5th Republic, or from the installation of the unbroken chain of democracy from 1871?
Either way, even stable democracies change constitutions once in a while when confronted by the problems facing our country now.
Independent from Sweden in 1905?
Constitution of 1814. But that's still younger than the US. (Fun fact: Norway has the world's second oldest constitution still in use, the US has the oldest.)
I'm not entirely sure, but it looks like San Marino might have the US beat by a hundred years? Maybe? Or a thousand four hundred years. I'm not really sure if there's been any breaks in San Marino's government during its seventeen-hundred-year-reign, but that's probably just my ignorance speaking. It's kind of hard to talk about constitutions and stuff when you go back that far, since the concept of nation-states was a bit different.
Interesting factoid, though: they made Lincoln an honorary citizen.
And our Constitution is drastically different from the framing. Eighteen year old black non-land owning women are directly electing members of the United States Senate. A governing body that can levy an income tax independent of Census data while regulating intrastate commerce to ensure equal protection and due process.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/12/politics/trump-shinzo-abe-mar-a-lago-north-korea/index.html He is not even trying to make the pay for access possibilities less obvious.
poor Shinzo
I'm thinking people are going to look back on the halcyon GWB years fondly. From "My Pet Goat" to the Merkel thing, to the handling of Hurricane Katrina and Iraq.
"Remember when that was the worst a Republican President was capable of?"
"Not literally a Nazi" - where the bar is right now.
Business as Usual in the [Trump] Administration.
This is not a sentiment I'd have thought I'd ever feel
But here it is
This is 100% pure fucking garbage. It gives me a visceral reaction that I can't even describe.
'Hey, you want to go meet the President? Book your wedding at Mar-a-Lago!'
Fuck every Goddamn snake & worm claiming to be folksy conservatives that refuse to impeach this pick pocket. This is how a nation dies, if not with a bang. Maybe America survives Trump; America will probably not survive the endless chain of matchstick men that follow, leveraging this new normal to get even fatter & drunker than they already were while relaxing in their private palace rather than working in the capitol buildings.
Yeah, and he's directly responsible for giving us Trump. Thanks, George.
Cue countries sending in as many spies as possible to work at Mar-a-Lago.
For the actual person, of any President, I doubt we'd even know. We mostly discuss the public image of Presidents because it is the only thing that any of us have access too.
In that sense, Donald Trump is absolutely the best thing to happen to Bush the lesser.
Like Trump would ever stoop so low as to carry out manual labor himself.
Hey now, he refused to pay the contractors he had an underling hire with his own bare hands!
Should almost be Shitposting Time in the White House by now...
But he is just that egotistic and needs people to be surprised to see him "acting like a common civilian."
Edit: or rather, behavior he thinks is befitting a civilian.
Common civilians don't crash weddings.
I feel bad for the folks who had their wedding interrupted by this shit gibbon
I very strongly suspect that the staff is already being paid as spies and/or it has already been infiltrated with spies and the place is bugged to all hell, and mostly Russian. Putin might even have suggested somehow to Trump that he have his own vacation spot, like a winter palace for relaxation, like say that Mar-a-Lago would be great, and Trump is stupid enough to run right into the trap.
Betcha Trump's every bowel movement is being recorded by the FSB.