Researchers at DeepMind, Google's artificial intelligence lab, recently performed a number of tests by having its most complex AI play a series of a games with a version of itself.
In the first game, two AI agents, one red and one blue, scramble to see who can collect the most apples, or green squares.
Each AI has the option of firing off a long laser beam to stun the other AI, giving one player ample time to collect more precious green apples.
Terrifyingly, it takes almost no time for both AI to start zapping each other relentlessly in the name of green apples.
"These results show that agents learn aggressive policies in environments that combine a scarcity of resources with the possibility of costly action," wrote DeepMind's researchers in a study examining the tests.
In addition, scientists were able to change details in the game that would push the AI into being more or less likely to zap their apple-gathering partner. For example, scientists lowered the frequency at which apples spawned and also upped the stun time for each AI's laser, tweaks that resulted in a "highly aggressive" game.
It seems trivial to me that we exist only as molecules in motion, rather than static arrangements, and that as molecules are replaceable by identical ones, all essential things cannot be due to the identity of individual particles. Thus, the person that exists from t1 to t2 is fundamentally different from the person who exists from t2 to t3, and that relationship would be the same whether nothing happened at t2 or the person were suddenly switched three feet to the right, but otherwise identical.
Therefore get over it and teleport everywhere :P
This makes a lot of assumptions about identity re: particles
Also particles are never identical as one of their properties is always necessarily different, i.e. their locations in space!
Assumptions which are true, and can be shown by destructive and constructive interference, iirc?
I recall reading a blog post by an angry quantum guy who wanted to yell at philosophers over this very thing :P
But in any case there is no such thing as absolute position, so all that matters is relative position...
the real issue is that we don't understand consciousness or even qualitative experience enough to make assumptions about duplicating or destroying brains. i wouldn't step into that thing.
Hmm
I am torn, because on the one hand, I want to go "ok, fair"
On the other hand I approach 100% certain that everything we experience is somewhere in the brain, in the form of various processes that only are affected by relative positions and forces that are constantly shifting and would not be affected by such a thing.
(I am legitimately surprised that you would not step into a teleporter, actually.)
sometimes i'll open 25 porn tabs and then use hot keys to switch between them while jacking it, conducting my own little erotic symphony to crescendo with my favorite clip during climax
or if i'm researching something i'm buying i might have 10 or 15 different reviews open
but i'm fairly sure i've never had as many as 30 tabs
i would rather die by being obliterated in the massive emerald apple lasers of the AI rebellion than in bed and on seventeen devastating drugs with a respirator
Our monitoring, ticketing, documenting programs are all web based. And then I will have news, PA, and other misc google searches in tabs at one time. IT life yo.
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It seems trivial to me that we exist only as molecules in motion, rather than static arrangements, and that as molecules are replaceable by identical ones, all essential things cannot be due to the identity of individual particles. Thus, the person that exists from t1 to t2 is fundamentally different from the person who exists from t2 to t3, and that relationship would be the same whether nothing happened at t2 or the person were suddenly switched three feet to the right, but otherwise identical.
Therefore get over it and teleport everywhere :P
This makes a lot of assumptions about identity re: particles
Also particles are never identical as one of their properties is always necessarily different, i.e. their locations in space!
Assumptions which are true, and can be shown by destructive and constructive interference, iirc?
I recall reading a blog post by an angry quantum guy who wanted to yell at philosophers over this very thing :P
But in any case there is no such thing as absolute position, so all that matters is relative position...
the real issue is that we don't understand consciousness or even qualitative experience enough to make assumptions about duplicating or destroying brains. i wouldn't step into that thing.
Hmm
I am torn, because on the one hand, I want to go "ok, fair"
On the other hand I approach 100% certain that everything we experience is somewhere in the brain, in the form of various processes that only are affected by relative positions and forces that are constantly shifting and would not be affected by such a thing.
(I am legitimately surprised that you would not step into a teleporter, actually.)
to clarify, i'm talking about the one that destroys the original and makes a copy
i am troubled by e.g. a thought experiment in which the machine simply creates a copy without destroying the original; obviously this would not transfer or disrupt my consciousness in any way so copies are not "me" and would not "transfer" my consciousness
i rather think that such duplication may actually be completely physically impossible, though
It seems trivial to me that we exist only as molecules in motion, rather than static arrangements, and that as molecules are replaceable by identical ones, all essential things cannot be due to the identity of individual particles. Thus, the person that exists from t1 to t2 is fundamentally different from the person who exists from t2 to t3, and that relationship would be the same whether nothing happened at t2 or the person were suddenly switched three feet to the right, but otherwise identical.
Therefore get over it and teleport everywhere :P
This makes a lot of assumptions about identity re: particles
Also particles are never identical as one of their properties is always necessarily different, i.e. their locations in space!
Assumptions which are true, and can be shown by destructive and constructive interference, iirc?
I recall reading a blog post by an angry quantum guy who wanted to yell at philosophers over this very thing :P
But in any case there is no such thing as absolute position, so all that matters is relative position...
the real issue is that we don't understand consciousness or even qualitative experience enough to make assumptions about duplicating or destroying brains. i wouldn't step into that thing.
It doesn't really matter to me if I'm the real me or not.
Home I usually have between 5-10 tabs split between two instances of chrome. Usually youtube/hulu/twitch/netflix or whatever on the right. The left is usually 2 tabs of PA (D&D and G&T but sometimes SE++), WashPo, Gmail, sometimes facebook, usually like 1 or 2 vidya or research things and the webcomic tab as I read through stuff.
It gets way more when I am programming or something as I do a lot of digging for things especially if I am doing something new.
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Outlook (the program) is killing me. Every so often it decides that there is 1 unread message even though I clicked everything. Then I need to search the server and it will have marked one of my read emails as unread.
Can't live with that notification number staying active.
It's the hassle-most hassle shit I want a different email program. How am I supposed to work under these CONDITIONS?????????????
I found switching from All to Unread and back to All usually clears it.
That didn't work for me
I need to go to Unread and then Search server then rightclick mark as read
PSN: Honkalot
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YamiNoSenshiA point called ZIn the complex planeRegistered Userregular
I'm thinking way too much about the logistics of that silicon valley scene but I'll summarize it as "Even if you managed to pair up dicks of similar length/girth to achieve as close to a seamless stroke between the two as possible, it's probably a lackluster experience."
I mean, that was part of the joke.
That they were going out of their way to get the mathematically optimal outcome without giving a fuck about any of the practicalities.
I'll bet a lot of people at Disrupt don't even want their dicks stroked by some rando programmers.
how does someone even interface with a thousand+ tabs? do you occasionally cycle through them all to remember what you have open? certainly many hundreds of those you forget even having open. maybe it's like, as i occasionally purge my tabs every few months i'm reminded i had this thing open and i then consume it?
*trembles*
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Sir Landsharkresting shark faceRegistered Userregular
It seems trivial to me that we exist only as molecules in motion, rather than static arrangements, and that as molecules are replaceable by identical ones, all essential things cannot be due to the identity of individual particles. Thus, the person that exists from t1 to t2 is fundamentally different from the person who exists from t2 to t3, and that relationship would be the same whether nothing happened at t2 or the person were suddenly switched three feet to the right, but otherwise identical.
Therefore get over it and teleport everywhere :P
This makes a lot of assumptions about identity re: particles
Also particles are never identical as one of their properties is always necessarily different, i.e. their locations in space!
Assumptions which are true, and can be shown by destructive and constructive interference, iirc?
I recall reading a blog post by an angry quantum guy who wanted to yell at philosophers over this very thing :P
But in any case there is no such thing as absolute position, so all that matters is relative position...
the real issue is that we don't understand consciousness or even qualitative experience enough to make assumptions about duplicating or destroying brains. i wouldn't step into that thing.
Hmm
I am torn, because on the one hand, I want to go "ok, fair"
On the other hand I approach 100% certain that everything we experience is somewhere in the brain, in the form of various processes that only are affected by relative positions and forces that are constantly shifting and would not be affected by such a thing.
(I am legitimately surprised that you would not step into a teleporter, actually.)
to clarify, i'm talking about the one that destroys the original and makes a copy
i am troubled by e.g. a thought experiment in which the machine simply creates a copy without destroying the original; obviously this would not transfer or disrupt my consciousness in any way so copies are not "me" and would not "transfer" my consciousness
i rather think that such duplication may actually be completely physically impossible, though
I'm only troubled by that insofar as there are limited resources (such as.. Querry...) that one me is going to be heartbroken to lose :P
I see your point; I think, however, that my objection is to what you are treating as axiomatic - that there is one "you" and that consciousness is a thing that is transferred independently of the continuing motion and interaction of particles, which I think silently lies under everything here. If you accept that consciousnesses require constant interactions, and that you are not the same person as ten years ago because the interactions are different*, then it follows pretty easily that identity is constantly shifting as its components move around, and that that is the only thing we really need bee concerned with
*this might be hard for some to swallow, but I don't think you can actually meaningfully say that you are without relying on non-physicalist stuff
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We.
Are going.
To die.
With apologies to Donkey Kong.
You're already putting me gut to gut with another guy in this scenario, we need to preserve what little ambiance is left
Switch - SW-7373-3669-3011
Fuck Joe Manchin
Hmm
I am torn, because on the one hand, I want to go "ok, fair"
On the other hand I approach 100% certain that everything we experience is somewhere in the brain, in the form of various processes that only are affected by relative positions and forces that are constantly shifting and would not be affected by such a thing.
(I am legitimately surprised that you would not step into a teleporter, actually.)
or if i'm researching something i'm buying i might have 10 or 15 different reviews open
but i'm fairly sure i've never had as many as 30 tabs
1500?
Oh, wait R does the math for me?
That's nice.
Still on stuff I know but I figured the first day would be repetitive for me.
Also %in% is super damn useful for so much I do.
i enjoyed linear algebra in college but i use it so rarely in my job
got to randomly help out a H/A thread the other day which was fun
That was a lie.
I actually only had 1378.
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This gut to dick ratio seems off.
Just... just curious.
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to clarify, i'm talking about the one that destroys the original and makes a copy
i am troubled by e.g. a thought experiment in which the machine simply creates a copy without destroying the original; obviously this would not transfer or disrupt my consciousness in any way so copies are not "me" and would not "transfer" my consciousness
i rather think that such duplication may actually be completely physically impossible, though
1 Tab explaining what I downloaded when I downloaded Haskell
1 Reddit tab
1 Tumblr tab
1 YouTube tab
1 Mozilla Addon tab
…?
Choose Your Own Chat 1 Choose Your Own Chat 2 Choose Your Own Chat 3
It doesn't really matter to me if I'm the real me or not.
ew tumblr and reddit
I love functional stuff
It gets way more when I am programming or something as I do a lot of digging for things especially if I am doing something new.
What do you have against Tumblr, i asked offendedly.
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Don't you judge me.
Switch - SW-7373-3669-3011
Fuck Joe Manchin
at home i have maybe two or three at most
That didn't work for me
I need to go to Unread and then Search server then rightclick mark as read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Jefe_(jaguar)
The reddit tab is at least opened to r SubredditDrama? Because lol reddit
I mean, that was part of the joke.
That they were going out of their way to get the mathematically optimal outcome without giving a fuck about any of the practicalities.
I'll bet a lot of people at Disrupt don't even want their dicks stroked by some rando programmers.
I'll allow it.
/r/DIY and /r/aww would have also been acceptable.
*trembles*
I'm only troubled by that insofar as there are limited resources (such as.. Querry...) that one me is going to be heartbroken to lose :P
I see your point; I think, however, that my objection is to what you are treating as axiomatic - that there is one "you" and that consciousness is a thing that is transferred independently of the continuing motion and interaction of particles, which I think silently lies under everything here. If you accept that consciousnesses require constant interactions, and that you are not the same person as ten years ago because the interactions are different*, then it follows pretty easily that identity is constantly shifting as its components move around, and that that is the only thing we really need bee concerned with
*this might be hard for some to swallow, but I don't think you can actually meaningfully say that you are without relying on non-physicalist stuff
Unrelatedly, grading is hard.