I've always been more interested in the benefits vs salary.
I mean like if it was some ridiculous 40K increase in salary that's one thing, but if it's not more than 5-10k difference then I'll easily take less than I asked for (provided it's more than I make now) for an extra week of PTO or stock options or anything that helps me a) work less and b) retire early.
My work sends me papers to brag about their benefits spending. At first I was dismissive then I see they spend more on benes than my salary
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Sir Landsharkresting shark faceRegistered Userregular
I've always been more interested in the benefits vs salary.
I mean like if it was some ridiculous 40K increase in salary that's one thing, but if it's not more than 5-10k difference then I'll easily take less than I asked for (provided it's more than I make now) for an extra week of PTO or stock options or anything that helps me a) work less and b) retire early.
My work sends me papers to brag about their benefits spending. At first I was dismissive then I see they spend more on benes than my salary
yeah i get a letter every end of year that's like
here's how much we gave you in salary
here's the cash value of all your benefits
here's how much we really spent on you you expensive fuck
but it's nice to have for comparison and i get why they do it since they spend a lot on benefits gotta make sure employees know how good they have it
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It's wild that more and more, I see Americans discuss a job in terms of it's insurance and benefits plan, not it's wage
Like to an extent that has always been a thing, but nowadays I see more Americans just straight not giving a fuck how much a job pays if the health plan is good
This feels like perhaps the most onerous form of company scrip out there
Yeah like its super offensive and gross to me and I'm having difficulty putting it into words because it seems so obvious
Like I don't blame individual Americans for thinking this way, that's a reasonable response to the situation. It's the situation I find gross.
It's incredibly gross, and yet another barrier to upward mobility for anybody not already incredibly wealthy. I find our system here in the States to be embarrassingly and shamefully awful.
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amateurhourOne day I'll be professionalhourThe woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered Userregular
It's wild that more and more, I see Americans discuss a job in terms of it's insurance and benefits plan, not it's wage
Like to an extent that has always been a thing, but nowadays I see more Americans just straight not giving a fuck how much a job pays if the health plan is good
This feels like perhaps the most onerous form of company scrip out there
Yeah like its super offensive and gross to me and I'm having difficulty putting it into words because it seems so obvious
Like I don't blame individual Americans for thinking this way, that's a reasonable response to the situation. It's the situation I find gross.
It's incredibly gross, and yet another barrier to upward mobility for anybody not already incredibly wealthy. I find our system here in the States to be embarrassingly and shamefully awful.
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In one I was defending the back door of my parents house from zombie burglars. The lock on the door being this huge, unnecessary multi lock that was like a game puzzle.
Last night I was walking around in this gigantic group of RVs parked in this salt lake getting hit on by sweaty latino and native women.
*tugs collar*
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It's wild that more and more, I see Americans discuss a job in terms of it's insurance and benefits plan, not it's wage
Like to an extent that has always been a thing, but nowadays I see more Americans just straight not giving a fuck how much a job pays if the health plan is good
This feels like perhaps the most onerous form of company scrip out there
Yeah like its super offensive and gross to me and I'm having difficulty putting it into words because it seems so obvious
Like I don't blame individual Americans for thinking this way, that's a reasonable response to the situation. It's the situation I find gross.
It's incredibly gross, and yet another barrier to upward mobility for anybody not already incredibly wealthy. I find our system here in the States to be embarrassingly and shamefully awful.
disagree.
Elaborate.
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It's wild that more and more, I see Americans discuss a job in terms of it's insurance and benefits plan, not it's wage
Like to an extent that has always been a thing, but nowadays I see more Americans just straight not giving a fuck how much a job pays if the health plan is good
This feels like perhaps the most onerous form of company scrip out there
Yeah like its super offensive and gross to me and I'm having difficulty putting it into words because it seems so obvious
Like I don't blame individual Americans for thinking this way, that's a reasonable response to the situation. It's the situation I find gross.
It's incredibly gross, and yet another barrier to upward mobility for anybody not already incredibly wealthy. I find our system here in the States to be embarrassingly and shamefully awful.
disagree.
Elaborate.
Hammertime.
+5
cptruggedI think it has something to do with free will.Registered Userregular
I've always been more interested in the benefits vs salary.
I mean like if it was some ridiculous 40K increase in salary that's one thing, but if it's not more than 5-10k difference then I'll easily take less than I asked for (provided it's more than I make now) for an extra week of PTO or stock options or anything that helps me a) work less and b) retire early.
My work sends me papers to brag about their benefits spending. At first I was dismissive then I see they spend more on benes than my salary
Companies pay a shload for benefits. It's one of the reasons things are so messed up. Without an employer that gives benefits, the cost for healthcare (in states with shitty versions of the ACA exchange) is nuts. Like, how are you supposed to even think of starting a small business when so much of your income would go directly to getting healthcare.
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Hi I'm Vee!Formerly VH; She/Her; Is an E X P E R I E N C ERegistered Userregular
What is a real head trip is encountering Americans who get defensive about this situation.
Like I was playing GTA Online with my crew, who are dudes from around the world including a few Americans, and the one American dude (who I will call Jamie as that was his name) was crowing about how his new job is only a dollar above minimum wage so he's making less money per hour than his last job, but now he has benefits and a better health insurance and when you factor the reduced medical bills he's actually making more money in the aggregate.
And even though I was trying to be happy for him I couldn't help but suck my teeth because that's super fucked up! And he picked up on my half-hearted enthusiasm, and when I tried to explain how it just kinda sucks that is the kind of situation he's in, like I'm glad it's improving but dang man.
And he was like "well what other way could it be?" and I was like well idk man but the kind of stuff you're talking about costing you hundreds of dollars for in medical costs, my wife and I pay into provincial health insurance like $150 a month for the two of us and he immediately got defensive and shitty about THE GOVERNMENT getting involved in healthcare and government bureaucracy and wait times and just...
I dropped it. It was fucking sad.
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amateurhourOne day I'll be professionalhourThe woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered Userregular
It's wild that more and more, I see Americans discuss a job in terms of it's insurance and benefits plan, not it's wage
Like to an extent that has always been a thing, but nowadays I see more Americans just straight not giving a fuck how much a job pays if the health plan is good
This feels like perhaps the most onerous form of company scrip out there
Yeah like its super offensive and gross to me and I'm having difficulty putting it into words because it seems so obvious
Like I don't blame individual Americans for thinking this way, that's a reasonable response to the situation. It's the situation I find gross.
It's incredibly gross, and yet another barrier to upward mobility for anybody not already incredibly wealthy. I find our system here in the States to be embarrassingly and shamefully awful.
disagree.
Elaborate.
I just don't think our system is super gross and awful and shameful because companies spend money on benefits rather than salary, when a lot of those benefits help a fuckton more than an extra 5K a year for a lot of people.
I've always been more interested in the benefits vs salary.
I mean like if it was some ridiculous 40K increase in salary that's one thing, but if it's not more than 5-10k difference then I'll easily take less than I asked for (provided it's more than I make now) for an extra week of PTO or stock options or anything that helps me a) work less and b) retire early.
My work sends me papers to brag about their benefits spending. At first I was dismissive then I see they spend more on benes than my salary
Companies pay a shload for benefits. It's one of the reasons things are so messed up. Without an employer that gives benefits, the cost for healthcare (in states with shitty versions of the ACA exchange) is nuts. Like, how are you supposed to even think of starting a small business when so much of your income would go directly to getting healthcare.
A friend of mine closed down her relatively successful one-woman-shop consulting business (she was getting plenty of hours, charging market rates) and went back to being an employee because she couldn't afford her healthcare after getting sick and needing to use it.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
What is a real head trip is encountering Americans who get defensive about this situation.
Like I was playing GTA Online with my crew, who are dudes from around the world including a few Americans, and the one American dude (who I will call Jamie as that was his name) was crowing about how his new job is only a dollar above minimum wage so he's making less money per hour than his last job, but now he has benefits and a better health insurance and when you factor the reduced medical bills he's actually making more money in the aggregate.
And even though I was trying to be happy for him I couldn't help but suck my teeth because that's super fucked up! And he picked up on my half-hearted enthusiasm, and when I tried to explain how it just kinda sucks that is the kind of situation he's in, like I'm glad it's improving but dang man.
And he was like "well what other way could it be?" and I was like well idk man but the kind of stuff you're talking about costing you hundreds of dollars for in medical costs, my wife and I pay into provincial health insurance like $150 a month for the two of us and he immediately got defensive and shitty about THE GOVERNMENT getting involved in healthcare and government bureaucracy and wait times and just...
I dropped it. It was fucking sad.
If there's any wonder why we don't have medicare for all, it's people like him and their voting patterns.
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cptruggedI think it has something to do with free will.Registered Userregular
It's wild that more and more, I see Americans discuss a job in terms of it's insurance and benefits plan, not it's wage
Like to an extent that has always been a thing, but nowadays I see more Americans just straight not giving a fuck how much a job pays if the health plan is good
This feels like perhaps the most onerous form of company scrip out there
Yeah like its super offensive and gross to me and I'm having difficulty putting it into words because it seems so obvious
Like I don't blame individual Americans for thinking this way, that's a reasonable response to the situation. It's the situation I find gross.
It's incredibly gross, and yet another barrier to upward mobility for anybody not already incredibly wealthy. I find our system here in the States to be embarrassingly and shamefully awful.
My mom's husband sister had a lot to say about this when we talked about healthcare over Christmas. She believed that without healthcare being linked to employers, young people wouldn't feel as pressured to work and be productive. With my mom sitting right there, who had no insurance because she'd been forced into retirement and wasn't yet eligible for Medicare.
+1
Sir Landsharkresting shark faceRegistered Userregular
What is a real head trip is encountering Americans who get defensive about this situation.
Like I was playing GTA Online with my crew, who are dudes from around the world including a few Americans, and the one American dude (who I will call Jamie as that was his name) was crowing about how his new job is only a dollar above minimum wage so he's making less money per hour than his last job, but now he has benefits and a better health insurance and when you factor the reduced medical bills he's actually making more money in the aggregate.
And even though I was trying to be happy for him I couldn't help but suck my teeth because that's super fucked up! And he picked up on my half-hearted enthusiasm, and when I tried to explain how it just kinda sucks that is the kind of situation he's in, like I'm glad it's improving but dang man.
And he was like "well what other way could it be?" and I was like well idk man but the kind of stuff you're talking about costing you hundreds of dollars for in medical costs, my wife and I pay into provincial health insurance like $150 a month for the two of us and he immediately got defensive and shitty about THE GOVERNMENT getting involved in healthcare and government bureaucracy and wait times and just...
I dropped it. It was fucking sad.
i don't know a lot about high end, premium medicine- but from what i understand america is indeed one of/the best at like, hundred thousand dollar heart surgeries? especially good aftercare and hospital comfort and stuff during recovery
but what you're describing is basically gospel to a lot of people. it is a memetic truth for many politically conscious people that healthcare is free elsewhere but that it entails worse care- half a year waits for xrays, 12 hours waiting in the ER for serious injuries, underprescribing essential meds due to cost, etc
i'm glad i grew up overseas receiving absolutely excellent medical care in israel and germany or i probably would have been snared by this garbage too as a 15 year old libertarian
(i think spool had some unsatisfactory medical care in ireland? and even he is a proponent of uhc iirc)
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What is a real head trip is encountering Americans who get defensive about this situation.
Like I was playing GTA Online with my crew, who are dudes from around the world including a few Americans, and the one American dude (who I will call Jamie as that was his name) was crowing about how his new job is only a dollar above minimum wage so he's making less money per hour than his last job, but now he has benefits and a better health insurance and when you factor the reduced medical bills he's actually making more money in the aggregate.
And even though I was trying to be happy for him I couldn't help but suck my teeth because that's super fucked up! And he picked up on my half-hearted enthusiasm, and when I tried to explain how it just kinda sucks that is the kind of situation he's in, like I'm glad it's improving but dang man.
And he was like "well what other way could it be?" and I was like well idk man but the kind of stuff you're talking about costing you hundreds of dollars for in medical costs, my wife and I pay into provincial health insurance like $150 a month for the two of us and he immediately got defensive and shitty about THE GOVERNMENT getting involved in healthcare and government bureaucracy and wait times and just...
I dropped it. It was fucking sad.
i don't know a lot about high end, premium medicine- but from what i understand america is indeed one of/the best at like, hundred thousand dollar heart surgeries? especially good aftercare and hospital comfort and stuff during recovery
but what you're describing is basically gospel to a lot of people. it is a memetic truth for many politically conscious people that healthcare is free elsewhere but that it entails worse care- half a year waits for xrays, 12 hours waiting in the ER for serious injuries, underprescribing essential meds due to cost, etc
i'm glad i grew up overseas receiving absolutely excellent medical care in israel and germany or i probably would have been snared by this garbage too as a 15 year old libertarian
(i think spool had some unsatisfactory medical care in ireland? and even he is a proponent of uhc iirc)
The real comedy here is that WE in America have insane waits for Emergency Rooms, etc. It's not like we're getting the best and greatest for our money.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
Maybe, y'know, the whole idea of health insurance being tied to your employer is insane and corrupt and evil?
The fear for americans is that we'd lose the health benefits, get no increase in our salary for the loss of benefit and pay more in taxes to cover UHC. Because American employers routinely fuck their employees to the limit.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
It's wild that more and more, I see Americans discuss a job in terms of it's insurance and benefits plan, not it's wage
Like to an extent that has always been a thing, but nowadays I see more Americans just straight not giving a fuck how much a job pays if the health plan is good
This feels like perhaps the most onerous form of company scrip out there
Yeah like its super offensive and gross to me and I'm having difficulty putting it into words because it seems so obvious
Like I don't blame individual Americans for thinking this way, that's a reasonable response to the situation. It's the situation I find gross.
It's incredibly gross, and yet another barrier to upward mobility for anybody not already incredibly wealthy. I find our system here in the States to be embarrassingly and shamefully awful.
disagree.
Elaborate.
I just don't think our system is super gross and awful and shameful because companies spend money on benefits rather than salary, when a lot of those benefits help a fuckton more than an extra 5K a year for a lot of people.
I think it was a very extreme comment.
Ah I see. The companies providing benefits aren't what's disgusting and shameful. That's the best option available in the shameful disgusting system that we have chosen for ourselves (cripplingly expensive, mandatory, adversarial, for-profit health insurance)
The fact that we absolutely desperately need and are tied down to our employer funded health care is the gross part of the system.
i'm real interested in like, the vacation/pto/sick time policy
because 4 weeks vs 2 weeks is a huge qol difference for me
PTO isn't a big QoL thing if you never use it.
sure, corporate culture pressuring you not to use PTO is a big deal. if i had unlimited vacation but knew it'd be unpleasant to use more than 3 weeks, i'd regard that as 3 weeks
It's wild that more and more, I see Americans discuss a job in terms of it's insurance and benefits plan, not it's wage
Like to an extent that has always been a thing, but nowadays I see more Americans just straight not giving a fuck how much a job pays if the health plan is good
This feels like perhaps the most onerous form of company scrip out there
Yeah like its super offensive and gross to me and I'm having difficulty putting it into words because it seems so obvious
Like I don't blame individual Americans for thinking this way, that's a reasonable response to the situation. It's the situation I find gross.
It's incredibly gross, and yet another barrier to upward mobility for anybody not already incredibly wealthy. I find our system here in the States to be embarrassingly and shamefully awful.
My mom's husband sister had a lot to say about this when we talked about healthcare over Christmas. She believed that without healthcare being linked to employers, young people wouldn't feel as pressured to work and be productive. With my mom sitting right there, who had no insurance because she'd been forced into retirement and wasn't yet eligible for Medicare.
yes, the only reason young people work is to get health insurance
you know those young people, always so concerned about their health and always getting sick, it's their number 1 priority
certainly they wouldn't be motivated by silly things like being paid money
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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My work sends me papers to brag about their benefits spending. At first I was dismissive then I see they spend more on benes than my salary
yeah i get a letter every end of year that's like
here's how much we gave you in salary
here's the cash value of all your benefits
here's how much we really spent on you you expensive fuck
but it's nice to have for comparison and i get why they do it since they spend a lot on benefits gotta make sure employees know how good they have it
It's incredibly gross, and yet another barrier to upward mobility for anybody not already incredibly wealthy. I find our system here in the States to be embarrassingly and shamefully awful.
disagree.
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Yep!
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Elaborate.
Hammertime.
Companies pay a shload for benefits. It's one of the reasons things are so messed up. Without an employer that gives benefits, the cost for healthcare (in states with shitty versions of the ACA exchange) is nuts. Like, how are you supposed to even think of starting a small business when so much of your income would go directly to getting healthcare.
We already have three [chat]ters with Vives, so...
because 4 weeks vs 2 weeks is a huge qol difference for me
the terrible 4s
Like I was playing GTA Online with my crew, who are dudes from around the world including a few Americans, and the one American dude (who I will call Jamie as that was his name) was crowing about how his new job is only a dollar above minimum wage so he's making less money per hour than his last job, but now he has benefits and a better health insurance and when you factor the reduced medical bills he's actually making more money in the aggregate.
And even though I was trying to be happy for him I couldn't help but suck my teeth because that's super fucked up! And he picked up on my half-hearted enthusiasm, and when I tried to explain how it just kinda sucks that is the kind of situation he's in, like I'm glad it's improving but dang man.
And he was like "well what other way could it be?" and I was like well idk man but the kind of stuff you're talking about costing you hundreds of dollars for in medical costs, my wife and I pay into provincial health insurance like $150 a month for the two of us and he immediately got defensive and shitty about THE GOVERNMENT getting involved in healthcare and government bureaucracy and wait times and just...
I dropped it. It was fucking sad.
I just don't think our system is super gross and awful and shameful because companies spend money on benefits rather than salary, when a lot of those benefits help a fuckton more than an extra 5K a year for a lot of people.
I think it was a very extreme comment.
A friend of mine closed down her relatively successful one-woman-shop consulting business (she was getting plenty of hours, charging market rates) and went back to being an employee because she couldn't afford her healthcare after getting sick and needing to use it.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
If there's any wonder why we don't have medicare for all, it's people like him and their voting patterns.
My mom's husband sister had a lot to say about this when we talked about healthcare over Christmas. She believed that without healthcare being linked to employers, young people wouldn't feel as pressured to work and be productive. With my mom sitting right there, who had no insurance because she'd been forced into retirement and wasn't yet eligible for Medicare.
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i don't know a lot about high end, premium medicine- but from what i understand america is indeed one of/the best at like, hundred thousand dollar heart surgeries? especially good aftercare and hospital comfort and stuff during recovery
but what you're describing is basically gospel to a lot of people. it is a memetic truth for many politically conscious people that healthcare is free elsewhere but that it entails worse care- half a year waits for xrays, 12 hours waiting in the ER for serious injuries, underprescribing essential meds due to cost, etc
i'm glad i grew up overseas receiving absolutely excellent medical care in israel and germany or i probably would have been snared by this garbage too as a 15 year old libertarian
(i think spool had some unsatisfactory medical care in ireland? and even he is a proponent of uhc iirc)
Oh my god.
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The real comedy here is that WE in America have insane waits for Emergency Rooms, etc. It's not like we're getting the best and greatest for our money.
well, i mean, so is the whole idea of health insurance
PTO isn't a big QoL thing if you never use it.
I am like hahahahahaha you're an idiot
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I opened one, IT HAD AN AOL DISC IN IT
The fear for americans is that we'd lose the health benefits, get no increase in our salary for the loss of benefit and pay more in taxes to cover UHC. Because American employers routinely fuck their employees to the limit.
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Ah I see. The companies providing benefits aren't what's disgusting and shameful. That's the best option available in the shameful disgusting system that we have chosen for ourselves (cripplingly expensive, mandatory, adversarial, for-profit health insurance)
The fact that we absolutely desperately need and are tied down to our employer funded health care is the gross part of the system.
sure, corporate culture pressuring you not to use PTO is a big deal. if i had unlimited vacation but knew it'd be unpleasant to use more than 3 weeks, i'd regard that as 3 weeks
yes, the only reason young people work is to get health insurance
you know those young people, always so concerned about their health and always getting sick, it's their number 1 priority
certainly they wouldn't be motivated by silly things like being paid money
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Yeah, there's no way you'd catch me losing days at the end of the year.
Some folks are just work a holics though.
I love that guy. I hope whatever salarian he plays shows up for more than one scene and ideally is bigger character.