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Seizing the means of Structural [chat]eneering

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  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    sig when you lock a thread you should post an incoherent donald trump clip from any of his public appearances

    that'll be your thing
    Arch wrote: »
    SIG who will you ban first and why is it skippy

    well, that question got answered in a hurry

    jungleroomxHahnsoo1ShivahnEvil MultifariousChanusPonyLoserForHireXBeNarwhalbowenCoinagejakobagger
  • ChanusChanus Sugoi! ^_____^Registered User regular
    skippy is basically loki in hedgehog form

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Six wrote: »
    Hello
    NO U

  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    apparently i took too long doing my backup chat

    sorry mang

    i will have narwhal's horn for this transgression

    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I fucking hate you Canadians.
    BeNarwhal
  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    sig when you lock a thread you should post an incoherent donald trump clip from any of his public appearances

    that'll be your thing

    oh god no

    I am torn

    because

    1) oh god no

    2) that'd be kind of hilarious, honestly

    3) oh god no

    Shiv do not give in

    there is no such thing as ironic arghlbargle

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  • BeNarwhalBeNarwhal The Work Left Unfinished Registered User regular
    Surfpossum wrote: »
    This whole situation is typical of what you can expect from those structural types.

    Like I said, sitting around thinking about building bridges ... and sitting around thinking about making [chat]s.

    Leaders act. :P

    He/Him
    Narwhal, you should make "Sometimes while someone is explaining something to me, I am thinking about rockets" your signature
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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    One thing this training does is make me feel old. Lots of youngin's in here who I think are rather new out of undergrad. Folks not on a project and such.

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit I'm a good person yes it's trueRegistered User regular
    Blurble I feel blell

    fuck gendered marketing
  • jungleroomxjungleroomx And I said, hol up Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    sig when you lock a thread you should post an incoherent donald trump clip from any of his public appearances

    that'll be your thing

    oh god no

    I am torn

    because

    1) oh god no

    2) that'd be kind of hilarious, honestly

    3) oh god no

    It's not like there's a shortage.

    "This nuclear holocaust will be like no other" is hot off the press.

    Make. Time.
  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    i feel like

    in an interview for computer vision

    i could figure out what "canny edge detection" is

    because... it is pretty self-explanatory?

    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I fucking hate you Canadians.
    jakobagger
  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck (♡°◡°) Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    sig when you lock a thread you should post an incoherent donald trump clip from any of his public appearances

    that'll be your thing

    oh god no

    sig the people have spoken

    there is a mandate

    306 electoral votes require that you do this

    override367LoserForHireX
  • kedinikkedinik Registered User regular
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  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Having interviewed STEM job applicants I can say that while there is no shortage of STEM graduates, there is a shortage of good STEM graduates.

    My company isn't even trying to underpay or offer shit benefits and they've already accepted that they won't be getting google and apple level talent. And yet still, candidate after candidate cannot answer simple questions.

    The ones that can answer are typically swimming in offers and take whatever tickles their fancy.

    Can you give examples? This kind of thing makes me curious

    canny edge detection and building boxes, etc

    The canny edge detection story is actually a good example. My company does computer vision, so every applicant for certain positions has taken a computer vision course and listed computer vision as a specialization for a post-graduate degree. So keep that in mind.

    Canny edge detection is one of the basic, most commonly taught computer vision algorithms. Its an image transform that takes in a fully detailed photographic image and spits out another image that looks more like a line drawing. Its great for, as its name suggests, detecting edges. It lets a computer greatly cut down the information content of an image, and make the content left over invariant to lighting, shading, etc. It's typically taught in Image Processing or Computer Vision 101 type classes.

    I asked an open-ended question of a candidate. "How would you find a cardboard box in an image of a cardboard box?" The question tests a variety of things, but it's very open to discussion. One candidate in their answer mentioned the canny edge detector, but the way they used it in their design seemed a little odd and skipped a lot of steps, so I asked them to go back and explain. They looked at me like I had just ripped their pants down, so I knew I was in for a treat.

    Over the course of their explanation, it became clear that they didn't know what the canny edge detector was or what it did or what its inputs and outputs were. These are not hard questions. It takes in a photo, it spits out a line drawing. But they couldn't say it because they didn't know it. They just threw out the words and hoped I'd let them gloss over it. And I would have, if their usage had made any sense.

    From there the interview went rapidly downhill. It was clear they didn't have any computer vision experience and they failed the basic C/C++ programming test too. And this is not uncommon. This is representative of about half of the people who make it through the screening process. These are people with nice GPAs and degrees from good institutions. It's really demoralizing.

    This is one of those things that I constantly kind of wonder/worry about. Like, if I was ever in an interview scenario like this one for something relevant to my field (let's say something molecular biology based, or hell, even computationally, because I'm sort of a computer scientist, albeit a shitty one).

    I'm like, reasonably certain I would flub interview questions like this, but at the same time I know that I can figure a lot of stuff out- my entire postdoc has been me reading a technique on the internet i've never done before, and trying it out to see if it works

    but if like, during an interview you asked me, say, how i would use southern blotting to investigate my phenotype of interest I would probably freak out and not be able to answer, despite the fact that A. I could look it up and B. follow the protocol and C. design a well-structured experiment around it

    I know they aren't really equivalent scenarios, I'm just wondering how much I actually know, and how much of it was me coasting through like a lot of these candidates

    I am forever filled with impostor syndrome

    my final words, as I lay on my deathbed, having been a professor for years and years with a bunch of papers to my name will be

    "they should never have given me a PhD"

    If you work for a few years and then try to apply for a new job in something you went to school for but haven't done in a while and don't remember, you really need to go back and study for six hours or so. If you don't, you might end up the guy in a DK story. My sympathy for someone applying for a software engineer job that can't answer top Google hits for software engineer interview questions is limited.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    SiG if you don't ban skippy in your first 100 days you'll never have the political capital to ban him ever again and you know his destructive ideas will ruin our society in the long term

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  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    I started typing up a bunch of shit about some recent projects getting built soon but it was p braggy so I scrapped it

    Please consider the environment before printing this post.
    BeNarwhal
  • ChanusChanus Sugoi! ^_____^Registered User regular
    i feel like

    in an interview for computer vision

    i could figure out what "canny edge detection" is

    because... it is pretty self-explanatory?

    i mean it detects the edges of cans

    ez pz next question

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  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    I very much agree with what Donkey Kong wrote above. About half of candidates that get through all the layers of screening to even get to an interview seem unable to answer basic questions about things they chose to list on their resume. If someone doesn't know X that's usually not a problem But don't then go and say you know X on your fucking resume.

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx And I said, hol up Registered User regular
    i feel like

    in an interview for computer vision

    i could figure out what "canny edge detection" is

    because... it is pretty self-explanatory?

    Or you'd read the resume and figure out what they want you to do before applying?

    Make. Time.
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    Blurble I feel blell

    *pokes Elldren's stomach*

  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    Doctor thought I had the flu but IT TURNS OUT I DON'T SUCK IT, FLU.
    Instead I have pneumonia.

    ChanusKid PresentableBeNarwhal
  • TTODewbackTTODewback Not a Lizard Person Center of the EarthRegistered User regular
    Okay SIG you're now a mod and a lawyer so I have the right to know why geth hates me.

    you have no rights in the SIGocracy

    Bless your heart.
  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck (♡°◡°) Registered User regular
    i feel like

    in an interview for computer vision

    i could figure out what "canny edge detection" is

    because... it is pretty self-explanatory?

    so you've got the xmen, right

    and they're uncanny

    but then, in the ultimate continuity,

    BeNarwhalCaptain Ultra
  • ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Having interviewed STEM job applicants I can say that while there is no shortage of STEM graduates, there is a shortage of good STEM graduates.

    My company isn't even trying to underpay or offer shit benefits and they've already accepted that they won't be getting google and apple level talent. And yet still, candidate after candidate cannot answer simple questions.

    The ones that can answer are typically swimming in offers and take whatever tickles their fancy.

    Can you give examples? This kind of thing makes me curious

    canny edge detection and building boxes, etc

    The canny edge detection story is actually a good example. My company does computer vision, so every applicant for certain positions has taken a computer vision course and listed computer vision as a specialization for a post-graduate degree. So keep that in mind.

    Canny edge detection is one of the basic, most commonly taught computer vision algorithms. Its an image transform that takes in a fully detailed photographic image and spits out another image that looks more like a line drawing. Its great for, as its name suggests, detecting edges. It lets a computer greatly cut down the information content of an image, and make the content left over invariant to lighting, shading, etc. It's typically taught in Image Processing or Computer Vision 101 type classes.

    I asked an open-ended question of a candidate. "How would you find a cardboard box in an image of a cardboard box?" The question tests a variety of things, but it's very open to discussion. One candidate in their answer mentioned the canny edge detector, but the way they used it in their design seemed a little odd and skipped a lot of steps, so I asked them to go back and explain. They looked at me like I had just ripped their pants down, so I knew I was in for a treat.

    Over the course of their explanation, it became clear that they didn't know what the canny edge detector was or what it did or what its inputs and outputs were. These are not hard questions. It takes in a photo, it spits out a line drawing. But they couldn't say it because they didn't know it. They just threw out the words and hoped I'd let them gloss over it. And I would have, if their usage had made any sense.

    From there the interview went rapidly downhill. It was clear they didn't have any computer vision experience and they failed the basic C/C++ programming test too. And this is not uncommon. This is representative of about half of the people who make it through the screening process. These are people with nice GPAs and degrees from good institutions. It's really demoralizing.

    This is one of those things that I constantly kind of wonder/worry about. Like, if I was ever in an interview scenario like this one for something relevant to my field (let's say something molecular biology based, or hell, even computationally, because I'm sort of a computer scientist, albeit a shitty one).

    I'm like, reasonably certain I would flub interview questions like this, but at the same time I know that I can figure a lot of stuff out- my entire postdoc has been me reading a technique on the internet i've never done before, and trying it out to see if it works

    but if like, during an interview you asked me, say, how i would use southern blotting to investigate my phenotype of interest I would probably freak out and not be able to answer, despite the fact that A. I could look it up and B. follow the protocol and C. design a well-structured experiment around it

    I know they aren't really equivalent scenarios, I'm just wondering how much I actually know, and how much of it was me coasting through like a lot of these candidates

    I am forever filled with impostor syndrome

    my final words, as I lay on my deathbed, having been a professor for years and years with a bunch of papers to my name will be

    "they should never have given me a PhD"

    If you work for a few years and then try to apply for a new job in something you went to school for but haven't done in a while and don't remember, you really need to go back and study for six hours or so. If you don't, you might end up the guy in a DK story. My sympathy for someone applying for a software engineer job that can't answer top Google hits for software engineer interview questions is limited.

    this is in no way a thing where i'm like trying to be sympathetic to this guy I guess

    just more imagining what I would be like in a non-academic interview cause like...academic interviews are....usually different than this

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Eastern coastal temptressRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    sig when you lock a thread you should post an incoherent donald trump clip from any of his public appearances

    that'll be your thing

    oh god no

    I am torn

    because

    1) oh god no

    2) that'd be kind of hilarious, honestly

    3) oh god no

    Shiv do not give in

    there is no such thing as ironic arghlbargle

    I am perhaps too good at dissociating myself from news

    Things don't feel real

    This helps in a lot of ways, though obviously in others it's not ideal

    Hakkekage
  • Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    japan wrote: »

    This would be so cool.

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  • Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    I started typing up a bunch of shit about some recent projects getting built soon but it was p braggy so I scrapped it

    Don't worry, I was going to have you covered in my list of animals with fraudulent degrees

    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I fucking hate you Canadians.
    Sir Landshark
  • descdesc said baby boy you’re only funky as your last cut Registered User regular
    tumblr_olhechmar41qzeo2zo1_400.jpg

    Look here's some nonsense to get you started

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  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong My lit AF posts will leave you shook Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Having interviewed STEM job applicants I can say that while there is no shortage of STEM graduates, there is a shortage of good STEM graduates.

    My company isn't even trying to underpay or offer shit benefits and they've already accepted that they won't be getting google and apple level talent. And yet still, candidate after candidate cannot answer simple questions.

    The ones that can answer are typically swimming in offers and take whatever tickles their fancy.

    Can you give examples? This kind of thing makes me curious

    canny edge detection and building boxes, etc

    The canny edge detection story is actually a good example. My company does computer vision, so every applicant for certain positions has taken a computer vision course and listed computer vision as a specialization for a post-graduate degree. So keep that in mind.

    Canny edge detection is one of the basic, most commonly taught computer vision algorithms. Its an image transform that takes in a fully detailed photographic image and spits out another image that looks more like a line drawing. Its great for, as its name suggests, detecting edges. It lets a computer greatly cut down the information content of an image, and make the content left over invariant to lighting, shading, etc. It's typically taught in Image Processing or Computer Vision 101 type classes.

    I asked an open-ended question of a candidate. "How would you find a cardboard box in an image of a cardboard box?" The question tests a variety of things, but it's very open to discussion. One candidate in their answer mentioned the canny edge detector, but the way they used it in their design seemed a little odd and skipped a lot of steps, so I asked them to go back and explain. They looked at me like I had just ripped their pants down, so I knew I was in for a treat.

    Over the course of their explanation, it became clear that they didn't know what the canny edge detector was or what it did or what its inputs and outputs were. These are not hard questions. It takes in a photo, it spits out a line drawing. But they couldn't say it because they didn't know it. They just threw out the words and hoped I'd let them gloss over it. And I would have, if their usage had made any sense.

    From there the interview went rapidly downhill. It was clear they didn't have any computer vision experience and they failed the basic C/C++ programming test too. And this is not uncommon. This is representative of about half of the people who make it through the screening process. These are people with nice GPAs and degrees from good institutions. It's really demoralizing.

    I mean, if I'm ready canny edge right on wikipedia, it's a grayscale/bluring (reduce the number of tiny sharp edges?) image where they scan over the ints in the bitmap and check for something breaking a threshold between adjacent values, seems pretty straight forward.

    If you were doing computer vision as a degree this seems like something you'd be doing every god damned day for research and projects to the point where it'd be second nature.

    Is the C++ just like.. testing if you know for/if/else/variables or are you doing OOP, structs, bit packing, etc ?

    Canny is a very specific implementation of that, one that was invented in the 70s and is always cited as the default / standard edge detection technique. But essentially yes. You're looking for gradient that exceeds a certain threshold. Yes is is used like every day.

    C++ test is a little nitpicky, but it's nothing crazy. We ask about macros and the preprocessor, keywords like static. We ask about pre and post increment stuff, pointer questions, some basic "reimplement basic string parsing" stuff, one question that tests that the candidate can write a sane function definition for something that need to use dynamically allocated memory. I'd call it a middling C++ test. Goes beyond if/else and loops, but stops sort of advanced crazy shit like multiple inheritance or weird ass corner cases that would be mean to expect someone to know.

    I thought the macro question is a little mean at first, but when I watched a few people reason through it, I was impressed with how readily it exposes the frauds.

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  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    [Chat], I present to you, the prettiest sandwich I have ever eaten:

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    (It was also very tasty!)

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  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Eastern coastal temptressRegistered User regular
    I very much agree with what Donkey Kong wrote above. About half of candidates that get through all the layers of screening to even get to an interview seem unable to answer basic questions about things they chose to list on their resume. If someone doesn't know X that's usually not a problem But don't then go and say you know X on your fucking resume.

    I want examples so that I can feel cool for knowing things that other people don't

  • YamiNoSenshiYamiNoSenshi A point called Z In the complex planeRegistered User regular
    I very much agree with what Donkey Kong wrote above. About half of candidates that get through all the layers of screening to even get to an interview seem unable to answer basic questions about things they chose to list on their resume. If someone doesn't know X that's usually not a problem But don't then go and say you know X on your fucking resume.

    At least once we had somebody in an interview be asked about something on their resume. They stared at the interviewer blankly, then pulled out an identical resume with that item removed.

    Also, I apparently got my current job because the other applicant(s?) didn't know what DHCP was.

    Damn it, it's fucking noon. I demand to know if Yami shit on a desk yet.

    Watch me sometimes stream games.
  • Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Doctor thought I had the flu but IT TURNS OUT I DON'T SUCK IT, FLU.
    Instead I have pneumonia.

    Well I say you don't have pneumonia either. Who are you going to trust? Me, or those damn experts?

    BeNarwhalQuid
  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Eastern coastal temptressRegistered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Doctor thought I had the flu but IT TURNS OUT I DON'T SUCK IT, FLU.
    Instead I have pneumonia.

    DO NOT DIE

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    sig when you lock a thread you should post an incoherent donald trump clip from any of his public appearances

    that'll be your thing

    oh god no

    sig the people have spoken

    there is a mandate

    306 electoral votes require that you do this

    emnmnme
  • PowerpuppiesPowerpuppies Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Having interviewed STEM job applicants I can say that while there is no shortage of STEM graduates, there is a shortage of good STEM graduates.

    My company isn't even trying to underpay or offer shit benefits and they've already accepted that they won't be getting google and apple level talent. And yet still, candidate after candidate cannot answer simple questions.

    The ones that can answer are typically swimming in offers and take whatever tickles their fancy.

    Can you give examples? This kind of thing makes me curious

    canny edge detection and building boxes, etc

    The canny edge detection story is actually a good example. My company does computer vision, so every applicant for certain positions has taken a computer vision course and listed computer vision as a specialization for a post-graduate degree. So keep that in mind.

    Canny edge detection is one of the basic, most commonly taught computer vision algorithms. Its an image transform that takes in a fully detailed photographic image and spits out another image that looks more like a line drawing. Its great for, as its name suggests, detecting edges. It lets a computer greatly cut down the information content of an image, and make the content left over invariant to lighting, shading, etc. It's typically taught in Image Processing or Computer Vision 101 type classes.

    I asked an open-ended question of a candidate. "How would you find a cardboard box in an image of a cardboard box?" The question tests a variety of things, but it's very open to discussion. One candidate in their answer mentioned the canny edge detector, but the way they used it in their design seemed a little odd and skipped a lot of steps, so I asked them to go back and explain. They looked at me like I had just ripped their pants down, so I knew I was in for a treat.

    Over the course of their explanation, it became clear that they didn't know what the canny edge detector was or what it did or what its inputs and outputs were. These are not hard questions. It takes in a photo, it spits out a line drawing. But they couldn't say it because they didn't know it. They just threw out the words and hoped I'd let them gloss over it. And I would have, if their usage had made any sense.

    From there the interview went rapidly downhill. It was clear they didn't have any computer vision experience and they failed the basic C/C++ programming test too. And this is not uncommon. This is representative of about half of the people who make it through the screening process. These are people with nice GPAs and degrees from good institutions. It's really demoralizing.

    This is one of those things that I constantly kind of wonder/worry about. Like, if I was ever in an interview scenario like this one for something relevant to my field (let's say something molecular biology based, or hell, even computationally, because I'm sort of a computer scientist, albeit a shitty one).

    I'm like, reasonably certain I would flub interview questions like this, but at the same time I know that I can figure a lot of stuff out- my entire postdoc has been me reading a technique on the internet i've never done before, and trying it out to see if it works

    but if like, during an interview you asked me, say, how i would use southern blotting to investigate my phenotype of interest I would probably freak out and not be able to answer, despite the fact that A. I could look it up and B. follow the protocol and C. design a well-structured experiment around it

    I know they aren't really equivalent scenarios, I'm just wondering how much I actually know, and how much of it was me coasting through like a lot of these candidates

    I am forever filled with impostor syndrome

    my final words, as I lay on my deathbed, having been a professor for years and years with a bunch of papers to my name will be

    "they should never have given me a PhD"

    If you work for a few years and then try to apply for a new job in something you went to school for but haven't done in a while and don't remember, you really need to go back and study for six hours or so. If you don't, you might end up the guy in a DK story. My sympathy for someone applying for a software engineer job that can't answer top Google hits for software engineer interview questions is limited.

    this is in no way a thing where i'm like trying to be sympathetic to this guy I guess

    just more imagining what I would be like in a non-academic interview cause like...academic interviews are....usually different than this

    maybe you would do bad in the first one but good in the second one though!

    sig.gif
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    desc wrote: »
    tumblr_olhechmar41qzeo2zo1_400.jpg

    Look here's some nonsense to get you started

    HW beat Obama by how much?

  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck (♡°◡°) Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    SiG if you don't ban skippy in your first 100 days you'll never have the political capital to ban him ever again and you know his destructive ideas will ruin our society in the long term

    this modministration is already beset by turmoil, suspect ties to outside forums

    there are questions that need answering and I'm calling for an independent probe

    I want sig's tax returns, I want to know how she paid for that new car, all of it

    emnmnme
  • P10P10 An Idiot With Low IQ Registered User regular
    desc i am emotionally fragile and i cannot handle you posting such things

    Shameful pursuits and utterly stupid opinions
    Powerpuppies
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