JedocIn the scupperswith the staggers and jagsRegistered Userregular
Man. Lyudmila would probably be really angry and confused at the current debate about whether or not it's okay to punch a Nazi. I'm going to go ahead and say "yes," because I can't be sure she's not still alive and armed.
This is Monte Testaccio, it covers an area 220,000 sq ft (20,000 sq meters) in size, it is 115 ft (35 meters) high, and it's the Roman answer to the oldest question cities have.
The fact is that when you live in a city, you probably aren't going to make your own foodstuffs. You live too far away from a farm to simply cart it home, and by simple law of averages you probably aren't going to be the person who turns primary crops into processed goods. Not only that, but you have to buy at some quantity and store it.
So that means that you end up with hundreds of containers either broken or rendered unusable even if you're reusing them on a regular basis. now extrapolate over years, decades, centuries. So what do you do with all of that?
You build a hill.
Not only that, you build a specialized hill for your types of rubbish.
The Monte Testaccio is an artificial hill that towers over Rome, and it's build almost entirely out of olive oil containers called amphora. The Romans packed almost intact amphora with bits of broken ones to weight them down and create barriers, and then filled in the area in between with broken amphora. Sprinkling it with lime to dull the smell of rotting oil. They built it up over the decades in tiered layers. At some point someone made paths out of smaller crushed pieces. At the fall of Rome it was abandoned, and it's estimated that the entire construction represents over 1.6 billion gallons (US) of oil used.
What's also astonishing is that amphorae were reused, and when disposed of were also used to make concrete, to line waterways, to line sewers, and for numerous other uses in Rome. So not only is this a staggeringly huge amount of rubbish. This is a staggeringly huge amount of spillover rubbish that was left over from the other ways that the Romans used their rubbish.
An image of the inside
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JedocIn the scupperswith the staggers and jagsRegistered Userregular
I bet that was hell on property values. You buy a little villa in a nice neighborhood, and 400 years later the whole area's gone to pot.
But remember the pope of the time was well willing to turn a blind eye to what the Nazi party was doing in Germany
a popular misconception and also patently false
yeah pius was not happy about the anti-religious nature of the third reich and once the holocaust was discovered he directed the church hierarchy to help jews and romani escape
he also publicly condemned the invasion of Poland
I'm not totally sure where the Catholic-church-as-collaborators idea comes from, but probably from the concordat signed with Hitler when he became chancellor
which is like...just a thing you do when you're a state, it had routine stuff in it, it's not like it was page one "yeah so like we're gonna kill all the jews"
it is true, though, that Pius supported the fascists in Spain
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JedocIn the scupperswith the staggers and jagsRegistered Userregular
But remember the pope of the time was well willing to turn a blind eye to what the Nazi party was doing in Germany
a popular misconception and also patently false
yeah pius was not happy about the anti-religious nature of the third reich and once the holocaust was discovered he directed the church hierarchy to help jews and romani escape
he also publicly condemned the invasion of Poland
I'm not totally sure where the Catholic-church-as-collaborators idea comes from, but probably from the concordat signed with Hitler when he became chancellor
which is like...just a thing you do when you're a state, it had routine stuff in it, it's not like it was page one "yeah so like we're gonna kill all the jews"
it is true, though, that Pius supported the fascists in Spain
It was kind of a problem that many anti-communists had during the era. Communism was so violently anti-Fascist that if your organization was existentially opposed to Communism (as an atheist ideology, this necessarily included most religious organizations) you sort of had to condemn Communism so strongly that it severely weakened your ability to condemn Fascism, simply because they were so perfectly opposed at the time
The Catholic Church was forced to publicly ignore the atrocities of the Holocaust, partially because the Vatican was technically a neutral country completely surrounded by a Fascist ally for most of WWII. The Pope and much of the Catholic apparatus privately sheltered Jews and fought Nazi officials on the implementation of the Final Solution. Whether the private resistance outweighed the public neutrality is a matter for debate, but I think the common consensus is that the Catholic Church did more good than harm during the Holocaust.
Could the Vatican have done more to fight the Nazis? Certainly. Were their actions outside the bounds of any other neutral power? Emphatically not.
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Gonna paste this from another thread because I've been doing an absurd amount of research of late and want to show off a completely tangential but amazing thing I encountered along the way:
This is why so many people still think perpetual motion machines are possible.
So in my historic research I recently went through about 30 years of the 18th century Virginia Gazette and this is probably my favourite advertisement:
BUCKINGHAM county, DEC. 26, 1769
THE subscriber hath invented and lately finished a machine of the PERPETUAL MOVEMENT.
THOs. MATTHEWS.
That's it. That's the whole ad. No context whatsoever, no follow-up ads that I could find.
"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde
Yo Dedwrekka where is that hill of amphorae? Those are dope.
Rome, you were cool and I was glad to be in you except for the robbing my mom part.
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Southwest of the Circus Maximus and the Colosseum, along the Tiber river. Less useful now, but Historically I'd also say that it is located south-west of the Aventine Hill, outside of the Servian Wall ( around 400 B.C.) but inside the bounds of the Aurelian walls (around 271 A.D.).
Those long buildings with the red roof tiles in the picture of it above are the University of Rome architecture department, which is a separate campus from the main one. However what used to occupy part of that space was the massive Horrea Galbae warehouse complex that covered the area. From there the state controlled the public grain supply with extra room left over for the wine, oil and goods that entered Rome and was moved up and down the Tiber.
If you're looking for it while in the city it might also be labeled as Monte dei Cocci. ...I don't have an extra historical tidbit for that, it's just useful if you're trying to find it.
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Lost Salientblink twiceif you'd like me to mercy kill youRegistered Userregular
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Aww drag, we were over that way but on the Trastevere side of the Tiber. I wanted to go check out the Anglo-Protestant Cemetery but we ended up not having time.
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Overkill. 17 captured MG-34s, used as an anti-aircraft gun by the Red Army. Date unknown.
Corner space for using the theory of natural selection to justify white people being superior
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We were talking about the wave of immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and we were talking about Eastern European Jews fleeing persecution and how they weren't very well treated in America when they got here, and he was like WELL YEAH THEY'RE ALL SHADY AS HELL
and the fuckin room goes DEAD and everyone turns to look at him and he's like NO NOT THE JEWS, EASTERN EUROPEANS, YOU CAN'T TRUST EM
We were talking about the wave of immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and we were talking about Eastern European Jews fleeing persecution and how they weren't very well treated in America when they got here, and he was like WELL YEAH THEY'RE ALL SHADY AS HELL
and the fuckin room goes DEAD and everyone turns to look at him and he's like NO NOT THE JEWS, EASTERN EUROPEANS, YOU CAN'T TRUST EM
and I'm sitting there like DAWG SHUT UP
Hang on, was this your professor, or the entire canon of 80's action movies?
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Syphilis, historically, had a lot of different names. As a disease, it was either unknown to or undiagnosed by Europeans until the first major recorded outbreak of 1495. There are conflicting theories as to what caused this - for years the Columbian Exchange has been to blame, but there are also pre-Columbian theories that indicate that it may have already existed in Europe and just not have been identified, as well as combination theories that lie somewhere in between the two.
Regardless of the source, it was a major outbreak that afflicted large swathes of Europe within a short span of time, and as an apparently totally new disease, it needed a name. So each country in Europe started coming up with names for it, and they all knew exactly who was to blame - the French. Well, except for the French, they knew that it was the Italians. And the Portuguese were petty sure it was the Spanish (a not surprising sentiment, given their general feelings towards them).
So for the first thirty five years or so, it was exclusively known as a disease that your asshole neighbors were responsible for, a naming practice that I am equal parts overjoyed and dismayed doesn't continue to this day.
"Syphilis" was first sort of coined by an Italian doctor and poet, Girolamo Fracastoro, in a work entitled Syphilidis sive morbus gallicus. If you don't read Latin, that translates to Syphilidis, or, the French Disease, as that is what it was most commonly known as in Italy. This is, for the record, representative of Fracastoro's more poetic side, as the work itself is a poem about Syphilidis, the first man to ever get syphilis. The actual use of the term syphilis to describe the disease comes in a work he wrote 16 years later, De Contagione et Contagiosis Morbis.
But if you're like me, you're probably wondering, wait, what are all of these names, can we go back to that part? If I suddenly travel through time to the early sixteenth century, what should I call syphilis?
Well that's where this map comes in:
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JedocIn the scupperswith the staggers and jagsRegistered Userregular
Hah, what the hell was Scotland even talking about up there?
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D&Disease, am I right, fellas?
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Hah, what the hell was Scotland even talking about up there?
The scots were at least nice enough to not pin the disease on another country.
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Hah, what the hell was Scotland even talking about up there?
So I was also into this name, and I did a bit more research there. Here's the actual text where it was first called that, an extract from the records of the Town Council of Edinburgh:
Sept 11 1497 – “It is our Soverane Lords will and the command of the Lordis of his Counsale send to the Provest and Baillies within this bur that this proclamation followand be put till execution for the eschewing of the greit appearand danger of the infection of his leiges fra this contagious sickness callit the grandgor and the greit uther skayth that may occur to his leiges and in habitans within this bur; that is to say, we charge straitly and commands be the auhority above writtin that all manner of personis being within the freedom of this bur quilks are infectit or lies been infectit uncurit with this said contagious plage callit the grandgor, devoid, red and pass fur of this town and compeir apon the sandis of Leith at ten hours before none and thair sail thai have and fynd botis reddie in the havin ordanit to them be the officeris of this bur reddely furneist with victuals to have thame to the Inche, and thair to remane quhill God proviyd for thair health: and that all uther personis the quilks taks upon thame to hale the said contagious infirmitie and taks the cure thairof that they devoyd and pass with thame sua that nane of thair personis quhilks taks sic cure upon thame use the samyn cure within this bur in pns nor peirt any manner of way. And wha sa beis foundin infectit and not passand to the Inche as said is be Mononday at the Sone ganging to, and in lykways the said personis that takis the sd cure of sanitie upon thame gif they will use the samyn thai and ilk ane of thame salle be brynt on the cheik with the marking irne that thai may be kennit in tym to cum and thairafter gif any of tham remanis that thai sail be banist but favors.”
If you're not a person into reading fifteenth century Scottish, that passage is essentially establishing a quarantine for the afflicted. They are ordered to go to the docks and board a ship which will take them to a place where they shall remain "until God provides for their health."
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This is Monte Testaccio, it covers an area 220,000 sq ft (20,000 sq meters) in size, it is 115 ft (35 meters) high, and it's the Roman answer to the oldest question cities have.
The fact is that when you live in a city, you probably aren't going to make your own foodstuffs. You live too far away from a farm to simply cart it home, and by simple law of averages you probably aren't going to be the person who turns primary crops into processed goods. Not only that, but you have to buy at some quantity and store it.
So that means that you end up with hundreds of containers either broken or rendered unusable even if you're reusing them on a regular basis. now extrapolate over years, decades, centuries. So what do you do with all of that?
You build a hill.
Not only that, you build a specialized hill for your types of rubbish.
The Monte Testaccio is an artificial hill that towers over Rome, and it's build almost entirely out of olive oil containers called amphora. The Romans packed almost intact amphora with bits of broken ones to weight them down and create barriers, and then filled in the area in between with broken amphora. Sprinkling it with lime to dull the smell of rotting oil. They built it up over the decades in tiered layers. At some point someone made paths out of smaller crushed pieces. At the fall of Rome it was abandoned, and it's estimated that the entire construction represents over 1.6 billion gallons (US) of oil used.
What's also astonishing is that amphorae were reused, and when disposed of were also used to make concrete, to line waterways, to line sewers, and for numerous other uses in Rome. So not only is this a staggeringly huge amount of rubbish. This is a staggeringly huge amount of spillover rubbish that was left over from the other ways that the Romans used their rubbish.
An image of the inside
a popular misconception and also patently false
yeah pius was not happy about the anti-religious nature of the third reich and once the holocaust was discovered he directed the church hierarchy to help jews and romani escape
he also publicly condemned the invasion of Poland
I'm not totally sure where the Catholic-church-as-collaborators idea comes from, but probably from the concordat signed with Hitler when he became chancellor
which is like...just a thing you do when you're a state, it had routine stuff in it, it's not like it was page one "yeah so like we're gonna kill all the jews"
it is true, though, that Pius supported the fascists in Spain
It was kind of a problem that many anti-communists had during the era. Communism was so violently anti-Fascist that if your organization was existentially opposed to Communism (as an atheist ideology, this necessarily included most religious organizations) you sort of had to condemn Communism so strongly that it severely weakened your ability to condemn Fascism, simply because they were so perfectly opposed at the time
The Catholic Church was forced to publicly ignore the atrocities of the Holocaust, partially because the Vatican was technically a neutral country completely surrounded by a Fascist ally for most of WWII. The Pope and much of the Catholic apparatus privately sheltered Jews and fought Nazi officials on the implementation of the Final Solution. Whether the private resistance outweighed the public neutrality is a matter for debate, but I think the common consensus is that the Catholic Church did more good than harm during the Holocaust.
Could the Vatican have done more to fight the Nazis? Certainly. Were their actions outside the bounds of any other neutral power? Emphatically not.
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Oh, no thanks! The present day one is more than enough for me, I ain't looking for others.
Rome, you were cool and I was glad to be in you except for the robbing my mom part.
Oh also
Personal history
I love Dinotopia
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
who is this mythical person that lacked childhood joy and wonderment
Southwest of the Circus Maximus and the Colosseum, along the Tiber river. Less useful now, but Historically I'd also say that it is located south-west of the Aventine Hill, outside of the Servian Wall ( around 400 B.C.) but inside the bounds of the Aurelian walls (around 271 A.D.).
Those long buildings with the red roof tiles in the picture of it above are the University of Rome architecture department, which is a separate campus from the main one. However what used to occupy part of that space was the massive Horrea Galbae warehouse complex that covered the area. From there the state controlled the public grain supply with extra room left over for the wine, oil and goods that entered Rome and was moved up and down the Tiber.
If you're looking for it while in the city it might also be labeled as Monte dei Cocci. ...I don't have an extra historical tidbit for that, it's just useful if you're trying to find it.
"Sandra has a good solid anti-murderer vibe. My skin felt very secure and sufficiently attached to my body when I met her. Also my organs." HAIL SATAN
Overkill. 17 captured MG-34s, used as an anti-aircraft gun by the Red Army. Date unknown.
Like, straight 1920's style anti-european propaganda type shit.
do tell
Yeah you can't leave us hanging on that.
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I'm guessing at least one utterance of biotruths
and the fuckin room goes DEAD and everyone turns to look at him and he's like NO NOT THE JEWS, EASTERN EUROPEANS, YOU CAN'T TRUST EM
and I'm sitting there like DAWG SHUT UP
Caliph Billy
Goddamn zooks
Butter side UP.
Hang on, was this your professor, or the entire canon of 80's action movies?
Regardless of the source, it was a major outbreak that afflicted large swathes of Europe within a short span of time, and as an apparently totally new disease, it needed a name. So each country in Europe started coming up with names for it, and they all knew exactly who was to blame - the French. Well, except for the French, they knew that it was the Italians. And the Portuguese were petty sure it was the Spanish (a not surprising sentiment, given their general feelings towards them).
So for the first thirty five years or so, it was exclusively known as a disease that your asshole neighbors were responsible for, a naming practice that I am equal parts overjoyed and dismayed doesn't continue to this day.
"Syphilis" was first sort of coined by an Italian doctor and poet, Girolamo Fracastoro, in a work entitled Syphilidis sive morbus gallicus. If you don't read Latin, that translates to Syphilidis, or, the French Disease, as that is what it was most commonly known as in Italy. This is, for the record, representative of Fracastoro's more poetic side, as the work itself is a poem about Syphilidis, the first man to ever get syphilis. The actual use of the term syphilis to describe the disease comes in a work he wrote 16 years later, De Contagione et Contagiosis Morbis.
But if you're like me, you're probably wondering, wait, what are all of these names, can we go back to that part? If I suddenly travel through time to the early sixteenth century, what should I call syphilis?
Well that's where this map comes in:
The scots were at least nice enough to not pin the disease on another country.
(Grandgore is code for your dick)
NEVER ENUFF DAKKA YA PUNY HUMIES!
On a more related note, I bet everyone that fired that gun left with a giant erection.
So I was also into this name, and I did a bit more research there. Here's the actual text where it was first called that, an extract from the records of the Town Council of Edinburgh:
If you're not a person into reading fifteenth century Scottish, that passage is essentially establishing a quarantine for the afflicted. They are ordered to go to the docks and board a ship which will take them to a place where they shall remain "until God provides for their health."