So I've got the Stormcast Battletome - very pretty!
It has the pitched battle points in the back, it give you the minimum and maximum numbers of models per unit and one points cost. For example it says Liberators min = 5 models and max = 20 models and the points value = 100.
So does that mean regardless of the size of the unit the points value stays the same? In this case it's a 100 points for 5 liberators or 20?
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Dr_KeenbeanDumb as a buttPlanet Express ShipRegistered Userregular
So I've got the Stormcast Battletome - very pretty!
It has the pitched battle points in the back, it give you the minimum and maximum numbers of models per unit and one points cost. For example it says Liberators min = 5 models and max = 20 models and the points value = 100.
So does that mean regardless of the size of the unit the points value stays the same? In this case it's a 100 points for 5 liberators or 20?
No. It's 100 per every 1-5 models. The General's Handbook clarifies it pretty succinctly, it's a good idea to grab a copy (it's cheap) if you're interested in Matched Play.
EDIT: Also there's scrollbuilder to help slap together army lists. It's not 100% complete but it's being actively developed and he's reasonably quick to add new stuff. The new Stormcast points were added when they leaked.
@Arch This is strictly hypothetical, but how viable would it be to just attach two of those 1,000 point armies that are part of the same 'grand alliance' together for a 2,000 point army?
Also, what's a typical game's point size for AoS? Last time I looked at that for 40K I was seeing people say 2,000-2,500.
It depends. If it's legal, it wouldn't be too bad. That is, if there are enough faction-agnostic battleline choices (so like , clanrats or something for chaos).
Also, re:points I guess it depends. I think most tournaments are 2k, but I've seen 1k tournaments.
My local game store does "escalation weekends" where the first Saturday a month is 500 points and then it goes up from there each week.
So I threw a ton of dusty models on eBay to clear some space and unfortunately saw too good a deal to pass up with my freshly fattened PayPal account. Bought about 70 painted skeletons, skeleton Knights and skeleton kings, so now I apparently have a death rattle army.
Which makes me wonder, what are everyone's thoughts on buying painted models? Personally, I love painting and modeling, my favorite part of the hobby. But batch painting a horde army just kills me inside, and I will never be able to field a large fully painted army without filling in the blanks with someone else's work on the grunts. A smaller elite army that you can personalize individually, yeah that's all me. But there's only so much you can do with a skeleton.
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I recently bought a painted goblin shaman for about 10 bucks but it's mostly because they only seem to have been made in metal or resin which i don't have the patience to work with otherwise I usually look for assembled and primed stuff on ebay. I like putting stuff together and painting but priming is my least favorite part of the hobby mostly because I'm bad at it.
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Personally I find a lot of the fun in the hobby in the painting side over the gaming, but I'm never going to begrudge anyone preferring to just pick up models already painted.
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
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Wait... are they clockwork dwarves? Their beards and faces look metal, or are those supposed to be bizarrely form-fitting masks?
Edit: went back and skimmed the linked article; still flesh-and-blood dwarves, just wearing full-body protective outfits to avoid exposure-effects of magic.
Ah geez those would make amazing counts-as guys for any number of 40k armies.
Steampunk is kind of unfair, it's this sort of nebulous fake technology that can fit in almost any point in time.
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def getting those guys to pair with my fyreslayers
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
Ah geez those would make amazing counts-as guys for any number of 40k armies.
Steampunk is kind of unfair, it's this sort of nebulous fake technology that can fit in almost any point in time.
I could definitely see using them as counts-as space marine armies (especially with that chainsword the guy with the balloon backpack is holding), but what else would you use them for?
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh I guess I'm redoing my two 40K squat armies now....
Nah, man. Your counts-as Space Wolves themed 40K dwarves look awesome. This just gives you something in the queue for later. They can be the Iron Hands or Ad-Mech to your Space Wolves (and I think you said you'd done a counts-as Salamanders one previously?). It'd be like a dwarf empire with different armies from different regions/sub-cultures.
They look like good proxies and conversion material for inquisition and admech.
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Haha, I'm not sure they could have designed an army that appeals less to my particular aesthetic tastes!
Still, a few of my friends are into them, and I'm sure they're not alone, so fair's fair I guess. Looks like they may have an interesting play-style in any case.
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
edited March 2017
I just realized, in a WH40K context, those steampunk dwarves become short, stout aliens in full-body atmospheric suits with gasmasks...
Bought some the new stormcast stuff, the big crossbow guys and the griffin riders.
These are some fantastic models , I'm tempted to pick up the vanguard hunters too, the models are so much more dynamic than the first wave of stormcasts (though I've come to really like those too).
In general the stormcasts as a range have really grown on me.
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Awesome. I like the gyro-levisphere dealing aesthetic, and how it works with airships and jumppacks.
And yeah, I'm thinking it will not be hard to convert these guys to squat/demiurg, so some 40K players will probably be happy. That was probably intentional. Well played, GW.
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
edited March 2017
Honestly? For 40K I think it would maybe be fun to roleplay them as a civilization of hand-crafted robots, their first generations having been the sole remnants of an alien race that was destroyed. They continue to build and develop, both for their own sake and to preserve what they can of their creators in a galaxy hostile to reason, hope, or natural life. That's why they are big on tradition, and their aesthetics are throwbacks to their creator's culture.
Basically dwarves as robots. The idea of dwarves as intelligently designed servitors is kinda from Warcraft.
Honestly? For 40K I think it would maybe be fun to roleplay them as a civilization of hand-crafted robots, their first generations having been the sole remnants of an alien race that was destroyed. They continue to build and develop, both for their own sake and to preserve what they can of their creators in a galaxy hostile to reason, hope, or natural life. That's why they are big on tradition, and their aesthetics are throwbacks to their creator's culture.
Basically dwarves as robots. This may be a Warcraft influence.
With the top hats and monacles, this just makes me think of:
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H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
edited March 2017
I have no idea what that is from?
Nevermind, looked it up. Didn't know that was a game.
Honestly? For 40K I think it would maybe be fun to roleplay them as a civilization of hand-crafted robots, their first generations having been the sole remnants of an alien race that was destroyed. They continue to build and develop, both for their own sake and to preserve what they can of their creators in a galaxy hostile to reason, hope, or natural life. That's why they are big on tradition, and their aesthetics are throwbacks to their creator's culture.
Basically dwarves as robots. This may be a Warcraft influence.
With the top hats and monacles, this just makes me think of:
Has anyone actually played this game? I remember when it crazy out but never heard anything else.
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Golden YakBurnished BovineThe sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered Userregular
Honestly? For 40K I think it would maybe be fun to roleplay them as a civilization of hand-crafted robots, their first generations having been the sole remnants of an alien race that was destroyed. They continue to build and develop, both for their own sake and to preserve what they can of their creators in a galaxy hostile to reason, hope, or natural life. That's why they are big on tradition, and their aesthetics are throwbacks to their creator's culture.
Basically dwarves as robots. The idea of dwarves as intelligently designed servitors is kinda from Warcraft.
40K is lacking a good true AI race.
Huh. Wonder if the Black Crusade stuff might convince some rogue magos to bust out some Men of Iron in an effort to fight Chaos.
Honestly? For 40K I think it would maybe be fun to roleplay them as a civilization of hand-crafted robots, their first generations having been the sole remnants of an alien race that was destroyed. They continue to build and develop, both for their own sake and to preserve what they can of their creators in a galaxy hostile to reason, hope, or natural life. That's why they are big on tradition, and their aesthetics are throwbacks to their creator's culture.
Basically dwarves as robots. This may be a Warcraft influence.
With the top hats and monacles, this just makes me think of:
Has anyone actually played this game? I remember when it crazy out but never heard anything else.
I have for a few but I really put away my steam account for various reasons and have not looked at it since
So I finished putting together the storm of Sigmar set (no paint yet), and decided to play though the included battle plans solo.
First, the rules seem to lend themselves well for solo play when you want to relax by yourself. Second, are the Stormcast supposed to be obliterating the chaos guys this much? I've only played the first two plans, but both Retributors and Liberators tear through the Bloodreavers like paper!
Looking forward to digging into the full starter set, should be interesting. I wish they included the battle scroll cards there as well, but it looks like the only full set is the Stormcast one so far.
So they've mentioned "Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire".
This is a new game, set in the Mortal Realms during the Age of Sigmar. It has been designed specifically for competitive, organised play, to support our growing community of gamers out there. For the moment, pretty much all we have in terms of detail is the cryptic video above, but you’ll be hearing much more about this new game, and seeing some of the new miniatures, very soon…
I have no idea what any of that means. My first guess based on the name alone would something like the AoS version of Mordheim.
The name sounds Mordheim-y, the blurb sounds like the opposite of Mordheim.
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40K just announced Shadow War: Armageddon and refers to it as a sort of Necromunda-ish game - the similar name with Shadowspire makes me wonder if it will be an AoS counter-part to Shadow War. Could also be another adventure title, like Silver Tower.
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I think the adventure style games would all be bundled under the Warhammer Quest title probably?
Some sort of skirmish-level play rules would be my guess.
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Golden YakBurnished BovineThe sunny beaches of CanadaRegistered Userregular
Makes sense. If it's related to the Realm of Shadows portrayed in AoS, the place is supposedly big on shadowy undercities run by criminal enterprises, so the 'Underworlds' title might fit in well with that.
H3KnucklesBut we decide which is rightand which is an illusion.Registered Userregular
But it is odd that it doesn't have the AoS subtitle.
I'm sure this isn't the case, but wouldn't it be weird if they were to add a third concurrent WH universe? Because the logo looks like it's "Warhammer Underworlds: Shadowspire" and not "Warhammer: Underworlds Shadowspire".
Warhammer Quest is still AoS tho, and doesn't use the AoS name anywhere in the title.
I'll bet GW just made up a cool name, rather than leaving any clues to the lore in their branding.
We'll find out I guess! It sounds interesting, whatever it turns out to be.
You can't always throw in the full title of things or you get the messy colon explosion of stuff like World of Darkness: Vampire: the Masquerade: Bloodlines: Remastered.
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It has the pitched battle points in the back, it give you the minimum and maximum numbers of models per unit and one points cost. For example it says Liberators min = 5 models and max = 20 models and the points value = 100.
So does that mean regardless of the size of the unit the points value stays the same? In this case it's a 100 points for 5 liberators or 20?
No. It's 100 per every 1-5 models. The General's Handbook clarifies it pretty succinctly, it's a good idea to grab a copy (it's cheap) if you're interested in Matched Play.
EDIT: Also there's scrollbuilder to help slap together army lists. It's not 100% complete but it's being actively developed and he's reasonably quick to add new stuff. The new Stormcast points were added when they leaked.
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It depends. If it's legal, it wouldn't be too bad. That is, if there are enough faction-agnostic battleline choices (so like , clanrats or something for chaos).
Also, re:points I guess it depends. I think most tournaments are 2k, but I've seen 1k tournaments.
My local game store does "escalation weekends" where the first Saturday a month is 500 points and then it goes up from there each week.
Which makes me wonder, what are everyone's thoughts on buying painted models? Personally, I love painting and modeling, my favorite part of the hobby. But batch painting a horde army just kills me inside, and I will never be able to field a large fully painted army without filling in the blanks with someone else's work on the grunts. A smaller elite army that you can personalize individually, yeah that's all me. But there's only so much you can do with a skeleton.
More pics at the link
Edit: went back and skimmed the linked article; still flesh-and-blood dwarves, just wearing full-body protective outfits to avoid exposure-effects of magic.
Steampunk is kind of unfair, it's this sort of nebulous fake technology that can fit in almost any point in time.
I could definitely see using them as counts-as space marine armies (especially with that chainsword the guy with the balloon backpack is holding), but what else would you use them for?
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Nah, man. Your counts-as Space Wolves themed 40K dwarves look awesome. This just gives you something in the queue for later. They can be the Iron Hands or Ad-Mech to your Space Wolves (and I think you said you'd done a counts-as Salamanders one previously?). It'd be like a dwarf empire with different armies from different regions/sub-cultures.
Still, a few of my friends are into them, and I'm sure they're not alone, so fair's fair I guess. Looks like they may have an interesting play-style in any case.
:P
These are some fantastic models , I'm tempted to pick up the vanguard hunters too, the models are so much more dynamic than the first wave of stormcasts (though I've come to really like those too).
In general the stormcasts as a range have really grown on me.
And yeah, I'm thinking it will not be hard to convert these guys to squat/demiurg, so some 40K players will probably be happy. That was probably intentional. Well played, GW.
Basically dwarves as robots. The idea of dwarves as intelligently designed servitors is kinda from Warcraft.
With the top hats and monacles, this just makes me think of:
Nevermind, looked it up. Didn't know that was a game.
Has anyone actually played this game? I remember when it crazy out but never heard anything else.
40K is lacking a good true AI race.
Huh. Wonder if the Black Crusade stuff might convince some rogue magos to bust out some Men of Iron in an effort to fight Chaos.
I have for a few but I really put away my steam account for various reasons and have not looked at it since
First, the rules seem to lend themselves well for solo play when you want to relax by yourself. Second, are the Stormcast supposed to be obliterating the chaos guys this much? I've only played the first two plans, but both Retributors and Liberators tear through the Bloodreavers like paper!
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Looking forward to digging into the full starter set, should be interesting. I wish they included the battle scroll cards there as well, but it looks like the only full set is the Stormcast one so far.
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I have no idea what any of that means. My first guess based on the name alone would something like the AoS version of Mordheim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20NpoQtr9n8
Some sort of skirmish-level play rules would be my guess.
I'm sure this isn't the case, but wouldn't it be weird if they were to add a third concurrent WH universe? Because the logo looks like it's "Warhammer Underworlds: Shadowspire" and not "Warhammer: Underworlds Shadowspire".
I'll bet GW just made up a cool name, rather than leaving any clues to the lore in their branding.
We'll find out I guess! It sounds interesting, whatever it turns out to be.