I encourage everyone in this thread to take a look at the photos of Osborne addressing the Evening Standard staff circulating at the moment. Their expressions are pretty much exactly what you'd imagine.
Last time I went to site in Scotland some delightful builders/engineers made me tea and gave me doughnuts. It was a great first impression of Scotland.
I recently applied for a Civil Service training course with a choice of locations, and Edinburgh was one of them. I seriously considered adding it to the places I'd be willing to work along with Leeds and Manchester, but ultimately decided against it.
Might be something to consider once I've got the training out of the way, though. Mrs Rhesus and I love Scotland - we honeymooned there and are going back for our second anniversary.
To be honest I'm hoping that somewhere in Europe starts making a big push to hoover up people on the sciences. As my partner is one of those in the big uncertain group of filthy foreigners who came here to steal ours jobs and benefits
I'm currently on year 1 of a three year ERC funded project. At the end of it my girlfriend (who's also a scientist) and I are strongly considering emigrating. There's just a general feeling of betrayal that our government and our fellow country people are actively destroying our future and prosperity for petty ideological reasons.
Ehhhh, the government has always been about taking care of itself not the people. When's the last time you had soemone idealistic and inspirational rocketing up the political ladder uniting the nation with hope (and don't say Corbyn). The government is a complete waste of space filled with hypocritical, lying, cheating, amoral scumbags, so their actions are nothing new because ultimately if the EU thing fucks up big time, they'll retire and get 6 other jobs they're not qualified for because they have contacts.
As for your countrymen, a low percentage of people actually voted at all and of them there was 48% saying no, and if they hadn't been apathetic about victory as per the norm, that side would probably have won. It's like all Americans just fleeing rather than trying to fix the problem. But if you want to emigrate because of say "sun", go for it.
I admit I don't know how to fix it short of a Purge style free for all that doesn't exempt government officials, but hey, small steps.
Last time I went to site in Scotland some delightful builders/engineers made me tea and gave me doughnuts. It was a great first impression of Scotland.
To be honest I'm hoping that somewhere in Europe starts making a big push to hoover up people on the sciences. As my partner is one of those in the big uncertain group of filthy foreigners who came here to steal ours jobs and benefits
I'm currently on year 1 of a three year ERC funded project. At the end of it my girlfriend (who's also a scientist) and I are strongly considering emigrating. There's just a general feeling of betrayal that our government and our fellow country people are actively destroying our future and prosperity for petty ideological reasons.
As for your countrymen, a low percentage of people actually voted at all and of them there was 48% saying no, and if they hadn't been apathetic about victory as per the norm, that side would probably have won. It's like all Americans just fleeing rather than trying to fix the problem. But if you want to emigrate because of say "sun", go for it.
Unfortunately 72% voted in the referendum, which isn't low at all. A lot of people turned out to be pretty awful.
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On the specific point about inaccuracies in the articles about living people, there are valid criticisms to be made. In particular: the policies that a person can't edit their own page, and that all information must come from reliable secondary sources, are reasonable in and of themselves, but don't account for the issue that arises when one or more secondary sources get something wrong, and this then gets repeated.
Wikipedia does really seem like it could use some specific policies around that point particularly.
Wikipedia has its flaws but I feel pretty fair in saying that wikipedia should try to improve it's flaws while being overall a pretty good and useful thing whereas the Daily Mail is a national fucking embarrassment
How hard is it for you UKers to move to Scotland anyway? I can only imagine it in relatively USA terms of moving to a different state (that's all of a 5 hour drive away).
How hard is it for you UKers to move to Scotland anyway? I can only imagine it in relatively USA terms of moving to a different state (that's all of a 5 hour drive away).
Yeah there's no restrictions or anything you have to do specifically.
How hard is it for you UKers to move to Scotland anyway? I can only imagine it in relatively USA terms of moving to a different state (that's all of a 5 hour drive away).
It's literally a case of procuring accomodation, packing up your stuff and moving. Need to update your voter registry and drivers license, but other than that there are few hurdles.
And Scotland being the benefit of an English brain drain would be quite the play if they managed to pull it off.
But honestly I'd prefer if the North of England just decided to throw their lot in with Scotland from the Watford gap upwards
Not like we're going to benefit at all from independence, and if Scotland managed to stay in the EU, I'd rather that than be locked into an eternal Tory government
Although it is, of course, about as likely as the moon falling out of the sky
How hard is it for you UKers to move to Scotland anyway? I can only imagine it in relatively USA terms of moving to a different state (that's all of a 5 hour drive away).
It's literally a case of procuring accomodation, packing up your stuff and moving. Need to update your voter registry and drivers license, but other than that there are few hurdles.
And Scotland being the benefit of an English brain drain would be quite the play if they managed to pull it off.
Imagine if it were that easy to move to anywhere in Europe, wouldn't that be great?
Sarcasm aside it really is a tragedy when you sit back and think of what you personally will lose as a result of brexit. Although I'm unlikely to ever take advantage of it I like the idea of being able to live and work throughout Europe without restriction. I take comfort from the fact that I can claim Irish citizenship (provided the dissolution of the good friday agreement doesn't impact that). At the rate May is going though, I wouldn't be surprised if building a wall is her solution to NI border issues.
The best part is that the Daily Mail management can pout and whine as much as they like (that's a lot), but they can't reciprocate, because they, like pretty much every media outlet everywhere rely very heavily on Wikipedia, whether they admit it or not.
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How hard is it for you UKers to move to Scotland anyway? I can only imagine it in relatively USA terms of moving to a different state (that's all of a 5 hour drive away).
Find somewhere to live and go live there. It's pretty simple. The key obstacle would be the job market
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With Ruth Davidson jumping on the pile it looks like Osborne wont be able to keep all his jobs. And fucking good I say he's treating his role as an MP as a means to get contacts for better paying jobs. At the point where he has six roles demanding his time it's time to admit he'd taking the piss.
I've seen it written that first and foremost on Osbornes mind is the fact that his constituency is up for the chop with the boundary changes and he probably won't be elected again anyway. So that being the case he should fuck off to his editorial job and have the decency to stop collecting a salary for a public position he's clearly already checked out from.
So good riddance to the poster boy for Tory privilege and corruption. Utter scumbag.
But honestly I'd prefer if the North of England just decided to throw their lot in with Scotland from the Watford gap upwards
Not like we're going to benefit at all from independence, and if Scotland managed to stay in the EU, I'd rather that than be locked into an eternal Tory government
Although it is, of course, about as likely as the moon falling out of the sky
I mean the north is lovely but looking at recent election\referendums I'm don't think this impossible hypothetical is in Scotland's interest . Plus with the northern English still outnumber the Scots in such a state.
But honestly I'd prefer if the North of England just decided to throw their lot in with Scotland from the Watford gap upwards
Not like we're going to benefit at all from independence, and if Scotland managed to stay in the EU, I'd rather that than be locked into an eternal Tory government
Although it is, of course, about as likely as the moon falling out of the sky
I mean the north is lovely but looking at recent election\referendums I'm don't think this impossible hypothetical is in Scotland's interest . Plus with the northern English still outnumber the Scots in such a state.
But has hypothetical Scotland scenario considered this:
This morning, Labour continues to pick fights with each other, presumably because they can't think of anyone else who might possibly be doing anything they'd need to comment on.
To be fair, the leader of Momentum saying they're effectively going to take over the Labour party by allying with Len McCluskey and Unite to ensure Labour remain a hard left protest group of ideological purity is a battle the PLP should be taking on.
That the Momentum spokesperson considers Tom Watson quite right wing and Momentum to be moderates shows just how out of touch with the political reality of modern Britain they are I think.
To be fair, the leader of Momentum saying they're effectively going to take over the Labour party by allying with Len McCluskey and Unite to ensure Labour remain a hard left protest group of ideological purity is a battle the PLP should be taking on.
Absolutely. I was commenting on Momentum's actions rather than Watson's, but it really does feel like we're just hearing the same things over and over from both sides.
Edit: especially with rumours of a snap election circulating:
On the one hand, seventy odd more MPs for the government would be a real boost to them, lending May's position some measure of legitimacy. On the other, Corbyn would surely* be resigning the day after, and the Tories want him there as long as possible to make sure Labour stay dead and buried.
*I say this because anyone else in his position would resign after losing like he's going to lose, but he's Corbyn.
the corbyn/momentum situation is especially depressing because a strong socialist movement driven by young people ought to be a good thing for britain. it's exactly what everyone has been saying we need for years. but all the energy is getting wasted on some guy who isn't going to be pm ever
It'll be interesting to see what happens to sterling after that announcement. It's also typical of the utter incompetence and mismanagement that categorizes this government that they're pressing ahead with it simply to meet a deadline May likely pulled out of her ass rather than any appreciation of how ready the country actually is.
I'd expect that Europe will be able to give the broad strokes of any possible deal within a week of the announcement, and it won't be the fantasy land deal the brexiteers think the EU is desperate to give us. In contrast I expect the UK to fumble around negotiations by making laughably unrealistic demands and with no clear sense of direction or control. Of course if they don't give us what we want, we'll threaten to shoot ourselves in the foot and bomb out with no deal at all. Take that EU!
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Not gonna lie I'm tempted to look for jobs in Scotland after my Masters.
Might be something to consider once I've got the training out of the way, though. Mrs Rhesus and I love Scotland - we honeymooned there and are going back for our second anniversary.
Ehhhh, the government has always been about taking care of itself not the people. When's the last time you had soemone idealistic and inspirational rocketing up the political ladder uniting the nation with hope (and don't say Corbyn). The government is a complete waste of space filled with hypocritical, lying, cheating, amoral scumbags, so their actions are nothing new because ultimately if the EU thing fucks up big time, they'll retire and get 6 other jobs they're not qualified for because they have contacts.
As for your countrymen, a low percentage of people actually voted at all and of them there was 48% saying no, and if they hadn't been apathetic about victory as per the norm, that side would probably have won. It's like all Americans just fleeing rather than trying to fix the problem. But if you want to emigrate because of say "sun", go for it.
I admit I don't know how to fix it short of a Purge style free for all that doesn't exempt government officials, but hey, small steps.
Also let me tell you about tattie scones
Unfortunately 72% voted in the referendum, which isn't low at all. A lot of people turned out to be pretty awful.
right there up front was a stall (unmanned) promoting English marmelade.
made me think of y'all.
That it was unmanned is just poetically perfect.
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by the combined powers of nicola and this new, more outspoken tim, we almost have an opposition again.
On the specific point about inaccuracies in the articles about living people, there are valid criticisms to be made. In particular: the policies that a person can't edit their own page, and that all information must come from reliable secondary sources, are reasonable in and of themselves, but don't account for the issue that arises when one or more secondary sources get something wrong, and this then gets repeated.
Wikipedia does really seem like it could use some specific policies around that point particularly.
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Yeah there's no restrictions or anything you have to do specifically.
Same with Wales and Northern Ireland.
It's literally a case of procuring accomodation, packing up your stuff and moving. Need to update your voter registry and drivers license, but other than that there are few hurdles.
And Scotland being the benefit of an English brain drain would be quite the play if they managed to pull it off.
But honestly I'd prefer if the North of England just decided to throw their lot in with Scotland from the Watford gap upwards
Not like we're going to benefit at all from independence, and if Scotland managed to stay in the EU, I'd rather that than be locked into an eternal Tory government
Although it is, of course, about as likely as the moon falling out of the sky
Imagine if it were that easy to move to anywhere in Europe, wouldn't that be great?
Sarcasm aside it really is a tragedy when you sit back and think of what you personally will lose as a result of brexit. Although I'm unlikely to ever take advantage of it I like the idea of being able to live and work throughout Europe without restriction. I take comfort from the fact that I can claim Irish citizenship (provided the dissolution of the good friday agreement doesn't impact that). At the rate May is going though, I wouldn't be surprised if building a wall is her solution to NI border issues.
The best part is that the Daily Mail management can pout and whine as much as they like (that's a lot), but they can't reciprocate, because they, like pretty much every media outlet everywhere rely very heavily on Wikipedia, whether they admit it or not.
Find somewhere to live and go live there. It's pretty simple. The key obstacle would be the job market
I've seen it written that first and foremost on Osbornes mind is the fact that his constituency is up for the chop with the boundary changes and he probably won't be elected again anyway. So that being the case he should fuck off to his editorial job and have the decency to stop collecting a salary for a public position he's clearly already checked out from.
So good riddance to the poster boy for Tory privilege and corruption. Utter scumbag.
I mean the north is lovely but looking at recent election\referendums I'm don't think this impossible hypothetical is in Scotland's interest . Plus with the northern English still outnumber the Scots in such a state.
*I know I was born in Portsmouth shut up I'm northern by marriage and on my dad's side
But has hypothetical Scotland scenario considered this:
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Man the more the UK heads down the spiral, the more I wish that I could move to Sweden but the personal hurdles are massive.
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Absolutely. I was commenting on Momentum's actions rather than Watson's, but it really does feel like we're just hearing the same things over and over from both sides.
Edit: especially with rumours of a snap election circulating:
*I say this because anyone else in his position would resign after losing like he's going to lose, but he's Corbyn.
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From Christine Shawcroft's (Momentum director) interview this morning:
Corbyn will stay firmly put until this is in place. She also, hilariously, calls Tom Watson 'rightwing' and Blairite'.
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I'd expect that Europe will be able to give the broad strokes of any possible deal within a week of the announcement, and it won't be the fantasy land deal the brexiteers think the EU is desperate to give us. In contrast I expect the UK to fumble around negotiations by making laughably unrealistic demands and with no clear sense of direction or control. Of course if they don't give us what we want, we'll threaten to shoot ourselves in the foot and bomb out with no deal at all. Take that EU!