Bucky didn't even kill Tony's parents in any conscious sense and given that Tony straight up attempted to kill Bucky when he found out I think it's fair to say that Steve was justified in finding it an impossible subject to broach.
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Bucky didn't even kill Tony's parents in any conscious sense and given that Tony straight up attempted to kill Bucky when he found out I think it's fair to say that Steve was justified in finding it an impossible subject to broach.
Yeah like
Bucky didn't kill Tony's parents
Hydra killed Tony's parents, and used Bucky to do it
(Hahahaha, yes, your upcoming joke about Bucky being a tool is very funny, folks)
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Bucky didn't even kill Tony's parents in any conscious sense and given that Tony straight up attempted to kill Bucky when he found out I think it's fair to say that Steve was justified in finding it an impossible subject to broach.
He could have told Tony in a calm manner in a neutral environment without Bucky there.
Or ya know, wait for it to be revealed at the height of an incredibly tense weekend between all three of them.
Bucky didn't even kill Tony's parents in any conscious sense and given that Tony straight up attempted to kill Bucky when he found out I think it's fair to say that Steve was justified in finding it an impossible subject to broach.
He could have told Tony in a calm manner in a neutral environment without Bucky there.
Or ya know, wait for it to be revealed at the height of an incredibly tense weekend between all three of them.
None of them knew that was going to happen at that time though. Zemo's plan, while improvised a lot of the time, was a master stroke. None of them thought that was what they were walking into.
@Rorshach Kringle It finished in late February, I think. I really enjoyed it, but it ends up as a weird combo of Bloodsport, the island of Dr. Moreau, and Dr. Seuss stories, just a bit beyond the normal blaxploitation story I expected going in.
Bucky didn't even kill Tony's parents in any conscious sense and given that Tony straight up attempted to kill Bucky when he found out I think it's fair to say that Steve was justified in finding it an impossible subject to broach.
He could have told Tony in a calm manner in a neutral environment without Bucky there.
Or ya know, wait for it to be revealed at the height of an incredibly tense weekend between all three of them.
Maybe he would have done that at some point
I doubt he wanted it to happen like that at all
And honestly? Tony's reaction was understandable and made total sense but it wasn't, rationally, the right thing to do. He was angry, and upset, but Bucky didn't really kill anyone, not in any sense where he can be considered to be responsible or culpable. It's not that he didn't have a choice, it's that he was incapable of actually making decisions. His mind was poured out and replaced with pure obedience, he was in fact one of Hydra's most abused victims. Of course Steve wanted to protect him, knowing that. It's very understandable.
Which is why I like the final fight, tbh. It comes from something other than the driving thrust of the movie, it's Tony losing his shit with rage and Cap trying desperately to stop him murdering his friend. It makes total sense. And that's why Zemo is a great villain, because his premise is "you can't beat them but you can make them beat themselves" and he illustrated it perfectly.
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On the latest Flop House podcast, Elliott Kalan (writer of Spider-Man and the X-Men) tells the story of an unreleased Spider-Ham special he wrote that was never released
It was a parody of the then-recent Old Man Logan, in which an aging retired Spider-Ham goes out to try and find someone to drag him into one last job, because nobody has done it yet
It was drawn by Skottie Young and was never released because Marvel didn't want to make fun of Old Man Logan so the creators of it would let them use it more
It's a tragedy
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The world can never insult Mark Millar enough tbh
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Im rewatching civil war for the first time since the theater and man
I just can not see eye to eye with whoever said the airport scene drags down the movie because I am still grinning from ear to ear.
EDIT: the Empire line is the most unbelievable thing the whole movie though.
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I enjoyed Civil War enough, I guess, but I don't know why Spider-Man was in it. Like, story wise it makes no sense for Tony to bring a child into their fight
I enjoyed Civil War enough, I guess, but I don't know why Spider-Man was in it. Like, story wise it makes no sense for Tony to bring a child into their fight
They mention it in passing.
Tony is specifically interested in his webbing. He's looking for a nonlethal way of ending the conflict.
look i hate mark millar as much as the next guy, but combating him with nextwave is a straight up pot v kettle slobberknocker
and whoever wins, we lose
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I dont think much of the action landed for me in Civil War.
The airport stuff lacked any impact or gravity for me. Given that it was apparently 100 percent cgi that's not terribly suprising. Also Spider-Man was especially plasticy, which probably is due to his rather late addition.
the airport fight didn't drag down the movie for me, per se. but it didn't do anything either.
it was just a bunch of cartoons bouncing off each other (to me), so it held no weight. the movie isn't better or worse for it, and it was the most legible fight scene until the end...which also didn't work for me. but that was mostly because the showboaty nature of it really hurt the emotion it was trying to sell me.
i really liked the energy and direction of the winter soldier's action, so it was definitely a head scratcher as to why civil war was such a regression. and if it was too many characters...well that problem ain't going away in avengers 3
I dont think much of the action landed for me in Civil War.
The airport stuff lacked any impact or gravity for me. Given that it was apparently 100 percent cgi that's not terribly suprising. Also Spider-Man was especially plasticy, which probably is due to his rather late addition.
I could take or leave a lot of action in Marvel movies with the exception of Russo joints, Avengers, Iron Man 3.
Civ gets big and crazy but it never stopped feeling grounded to me.
The Cap vs Iron Man ending is what really turns my head though. That is some emotionally engaging stuff.
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I have a feeling the Russos had difficulty with restraint on using impossible floaty cameras on a big open playing field.
Though the tight locales and constrained action scene were a mess so who knows.
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How do you kill a Nazi made of bees with a simple bow and arrow?
Avengers kinda didn't exist in an official capacity by that point; just Tony, Vision and an injured Rhodey.
Hive was an avengers-level threat before civil war
Putty arrow, bro
I read the first two issues. Stylish as heck and funny but not much substance there.
Which is fine for a fun little mini
Cheers to you Wrightson, your art was among the greatest to grace the medium.
did anyone do that one yet?
Yeah like
Bucky didn't kill Tony's parents
Hydra killed Tony's parents, and used Bucky to do it
(Hahahaha, yes, your upcoming joke about Bucky being a tool is very funny, folks)
He could have told Tony in a calm manner in a neutral environment without Bucky there.
Or ya know, wait for it to be revealed at the height of an incredibly tense weekend between all three of them.
None of them knew that was going to happen at that time though. Zemo's plan, while improvised a lot of the time, was a master stroke. None of them thought that was what they were walking into.
It wasn't his fault
But he did it
"Sorry I was mind controlled and killed your Mom and Dad"
(Place Jamba Juice gift card in slot)
Maybe he would have done that at some point
I doubt he wanted it to happen like that at all
And honestly? Tony's reaction was understandable and made total sense but it wasn't, rationally, the right thing to do. He was angry, and upset, but Bucky didn't really kill anyone, not in any sense where he can be considered to be responsible or culpable. It's not that he didn't have a choice, it's that he was incapable of actually making decisions. His mind was poured out and replaced with pure obedience, he was in fact one of Hydra's most abused victims. Of course Steve wanted to protect him, knowing that. It's very understandable.
Which is why I like the final fight, tbh. It comes from something other than the driving thrust of the movie, it's Tony losing his shit with rage and Cap trying desperately to stop him murdering his friend. It makes total sense. And that's why Zemo is a great villain, because his premise is "you can't beat them but you can make them beat themselves" and he illustrated it perfectly.
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It was a parody of the then-recent Old Man Logan, in which an aging retired Spider-Ham goes out to try and find someone to drag him into one last job, because nobody has done it yet
It was drawn by Skottie Young and was never released because Marvel didn't want to make fun of Old Man Logan so the creators of it would let them use it more
It's a tragedy
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He's not advocating it.
You just gotta get the information out there.
Oh, I thought that was going to be comic spoilers.
I just can not see eye to eye with whoever said the airport scene drags down the movie because I am still grinning from ear to ear.
EDIT: the Empire line is the most unbelievable thing the whole movie though.
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They mention it in passing.
Tony is specifically interested in his webbing. He's looking for a nonlethal way of ending the conflict.
and whoever wins, we lose
The airport stuff lacked any impact or gravity for me. Given that it was apparently 100 percent cgi that's not terribly suprising. Also Spider-Man was especially plasticy, which probably is due to his rather late addition.
the airport fight didn't drag down the movie for me, per se. but it didn't do anything either.
it was just a bunch of cartoons bouncing off each other (to me), so it held no weight. the movie isn't better or worse for it, and it was the most legible fight scene until the end...which also didn't work for me. but that was mostly because the showboaty nature of it really hurt the emotion it was trying to sell me.
i really liked the energy and direction of the winter soldier's action, so it was definitely a head scratcher as to why civil war was such a regression. and if it was too many characters...well that problem ain't going away in avengers 3
I could take or leave a lot of action in Marvel movies with the exception of Russo joints, Avengers, Iron Man 3.
Civ gets big and crazy but it never stopped feeling grounded to me.
The Cap vs Iron Man ending is what really turns my head though. That is some emotionally engaging stuff.
Though the tight locales and constrained action scene were a mess so who knows.
which is baffling when you remember the sick elevator fight from winter soldier
Yeah, that was probably me.
I could personally go without a large action-figure fight where none of the combatants are tying to actively hurt each other.
Replace that entire action scene with all of the Avengers in a heated discussion, I'd enjoy that way more.
that's interesting because the fact that nobody really want to hurt each other is what makes me able to enjoy it.
Especially as a way of changing things up with the finale.