there was a bit of drama about Build Script between Dan and Damon on one of the facebook groups, actually.
Can you elaborate at all? I hadn't even noticed the card cost influence when I first saw it and I didn't think much of it then. Wondering what the possible thoughts might have been.
well it's functionally the same as 2 of the options of Deuces Wild combined into one card, so Dan was kinda furious as to why this card was even printed since it's essentially redundant and then the conversation progressed from there and... well, it's one heck of a thread.
there was a bit of drama about Build Script between Dan and Damon on one of the facebook groups, actually.
Can you elaborate at all? I hadn't even noticed the card cost influence when I first saw it and I didn't think much of it then. Wondering what the possible thoughts might have been.
Summary, not verbatim:
Dan opined: why would print a worse version of my card a few packs after? Its dumb by taking away a slot for something more interesting and implies dan's card shouldn't have been made as it is.
Damon replied: Build Script was already in development when you submitted deuces wild, and that Damon tried to make Dan submit a differing card. He also said the Champ cards don't go to playtesters so thats why no playtesters might have commented on it.
Dan sarc'd back: I guess as chief designer your hands were completely tied then, absolutely no way you could have changed a card that was still in development, especially such a crucial one as build script.
Oh hey, TD scoops are starting to trickle out. Someone posted some on Instagram, for some reason. Some stuff we've seen before in there, but also a couple of new breakers.
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not very big but it's always very awkward when two well known figures in the community briefly throw down a bit like that
That's on Damon, really. There's nothing about Dan's position in the community that should make him unable to criticize card releases. It's on the designers to not engage.
not very big but it's always very awkward when two well known figures in the community briefly throw down a bit like that
That's on Damon, really. There's nothing about Dan's position in the community that should make him unable to criticize card releases. It's on the designers to not engage.
I agree, Damon hasn't really helped here. I do wish Dan wouldn't bait him, but you are right Dan is allowed.
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Seidr Adaptive Barrier is weird and I'm not really sure how to evaluate it, but I think in most cases it's not great right now.
By itself, it's an over-costed Wall of Static. With another piece of ice on the server, it becomes equivalent to a Bastion. When you get to a third piece of ice, it becomes a discounted Fire Wall. Which is not terrible! And it does get better from there, but there are very few times when I've stacked more than 3 ice on a server (sometimes, but it's admittedly a bit rare).
Now, in this Parasite-Sifr meta, none of this matters really, except that even if they don't destroy Seidr directly, they weaken it by destroying other ice in the same server. It is cool that Seidr gets strength from installed and not rezzed ice, but it's still a difficult choice to play. In this non-glacier meta, I don't see it taking up too many spots in decks. They probably could have costed it at 3, and let it be a in-faction Wall of Static ++, and I'm still not sure it sees that much play.
Seidr Adaptive Barrier is weird and I'm not really sure how to evaluate it, but I think in most cases it's not great right now.
By itself, it's an over-costed Wall of Static. With another piece of ice on the server, it becomes equivalent to a Bastion. When you get to a third piece of ice, it becomes a discounted Fire Wall. Which is not terrible! And it does get better from there, but there are very few times when I've stacked more than 3 ice on a server (sometimes, but it's admittedly a bit rare).
Now, in this Parasite-Sifr meta, none of this matters really, except that even if they don't destroy Seidr directly, they weaken it by destroying other ice in the same server. It is cool that Seidr gets strength from installed and not rezzed ice, but it's still a difficult choice to play. In this non-glacier meta, I don't see it taking up too many spots in decks. They probably could have costed it at 3, and let it be a in-faction Wall of Static ++, and I'm still not sure it sees that much play.
There are some weird glaciers where I end up going to 4 or 5 ice but I have trouble seeing Seidr in them (for example the new HB bioroid ice ID whose name I'm forgetting likes to stack ice 4 deep but would never use that because it isn't a bioroid).
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Seidr Adaptive Barrier is weird and I'm not really sure how to evaluate it, but I think in most cases it's not great right now.
By itself, it's an over-costed Wall of Static. With another piece of ice on the server, it becomes equivalent to a Bastion. When you get to a third piece of ice, it becomes a discounted Fire Wall. Which is not terrible! And it does get better from there, but there are very few times when I've stacked more than 3 ice on a server (sometimes, but it's admittedly a bit rare).
Now, in this Parasite-Sifr meta, none of this matters really, except that even if they don't destroy Seidr directly, they weaken it by destroying other ice in the same server. It is cool that Seidr gets strength from installed and not rezzed ice, but it's still a difficult choice to play. In this non-glacier meta, I don't see it taking up too many spots in decks. They probably could have costed it at 3, and let it be a in-faction Wall of Static ++, and I'm still not sure it sees that much play.
There are some weird glaciers where I end up going to 4 or 5 ice but I have trouble seeing Seidr in them (for example the new HB bioroid ice ID whose name I'm forgetting likes to stack ice 4 deep but would never use that because it isn't a bioroid).
Ironically, the new ID is Seidr Laboratories. So it might still go in it!
It is possible the new jinteki themes they're pushing with AgInfusion and replanting might work okay with Seidr SA Barrier - Bloom and Replanting ignoring the install costs certainly help with making huge ice stacks, and SSAB and Aginfusion both get value from unrezzed ice.
I'm mostly joking, it actually makes chum-> data mine sort of things much more playable too. I'm just so excited about picking up a psyfield and then installing two agendas
New pack seems a little underwhelming. Another printing error, I'm assuming, which gives the player a 'whenever' ability that must surely just be during that run.
Also I totally missed it, but apparently Bios changed from her preview article. She's apparently now look at 7 and NVRAM 5 cards instead of 6/4?
EDIT: Oh, apparently the video was actually recorded a while back, and so some of the cards are out of date. The crim console also apparently gives link?
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So nobody has talked about these so far (that I saw anyway).
Gee, one of those cards looks familiar, huh? Awfully close to a certain Build Script that we saw the other day. I guess elsewhere it's been called into question how corp-flavored this new runner card is. Alongside how ridiculous it would be to have BOTH these neutral cards in the runner pool, it looks pretty likely that they screwed up and printed a corp card as runner. Either that or someone really threw the theme on this one out the window and decided both these 1-influence neutral cards were worth having side by side. <_<
So nobody has talked about these so far (that I saw anyway).
Gee, one of those cards looks familiar, huh? Awfully close to a certain Build Script that we saw the other day. I guess elsewhere it's been called into question how corp-flavored this new runner card is. Alongside how ridiculous it would be to have BOTH these neutral cards in the runner pool, it looks pretty likely that they screwed up and printed a corp card as runner. Either that or someone really threw the theme on this one out the window and decided both these 1-influence neutral cards were worth having side by side. <_<
Honestly, I think I'm pretty okay with it. Seeing as how TD is supposed to be played as a Core + TD card pool, a lot of the other options for decks just aren't legal. And while they *could* just reprint something else in TD, that would mean that other card would also be exempt from rotation.
It *is* kind of dumb that either of those weren't faction'd, though. I mean, slap a Adam or Apex logo on Build Script if you want it to cost a influence for most everyone and you'd be helping out people who want to play them a TON.
In regards to Process Automation, the closest I can come to figuring out what's going on flavor-wise is that I think the runner hacked a local automated factory and is using the resources from it for their own purposes.
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Hopefully this means the rest will be getting announced soon.
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edited March 2017
There are many ways to justify things, yes. "Restructuring labor resources." is the kind of flavor text that requires a lot of hoop jumping to justify as a runner card. :P
Otherwise, on the exact same grounds about having both cards available ... well, yeah, that's even more why it makes sense as a corp card. <_<
is there some kind of PA Netrunner discord for organizing games?
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is there some kind of PA Netrunner discord for organizing games?
Not really. Most of us are on Jinteki.net from time to time, usually the same or similar usernames to here. If you're interested, propose a time and one of us will probably be able to play you online!
I know I have randomly played other PA'ers on Jinteki on occasion.
Also, if asset spam is super prevalent in your meta, like it is in the UK, I have an awesome deck that won our recent GNK for you to consider. It's out of Val, if anyone is interested?
Also, if asset spam is super prevalent in your meta, like it is in the UK, I have an awesome deck that won our recent GNK for you to consider. It's out of Val, if anyone is interested?
yeeeeep been seeing a lot of it lately and I expect to see even more soon
also as for Station One the big thing to know is that you can MCA Informant a Corporate Troubleshooter, even if it's unrezzed (in which case you must reveal it). Runner can't use the click ability to trash it, they have to go access and trash it.
Also, if asset spam is super prevalent in your meta, like it is in the UK, I have an awesome deck that won our recent GNK for you to consider. It's out of Val, if anyone is interested?
Are you generally aiming your temujin at archives? Trying to figure out what the lines are for the first Apoc.
I love Apocalypse so this deck looks to be my jam.
Yeah, Tem on archives and empty all but one.
Your lines of play are Blackmail HQ and R&D, to set up the apocalypse. This isn't a 2 out of 50 card combo, as you can use Josh B plus recursion on a single Blackmail. You can also support with DDOS.
You also have Eater plus Vamp to set up your Apocalypse turn.
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well it's functionally the same as 2 of the options of Deuces Wild combined into one card, so Dan was kinda furious as to why this card was even printed since it's essentially redundant and then the conversation progressed from there and... well, it's one heck of a thread.
Summary, not verbatim:
Damon replied: Build Script was already in development when you submitted deuces wild, and that Damon tried to make Dan submit a differing card. He also said the Champ cards don't go to playtesters so thats why no playtesters might have commented on it.
Dan sarc'd back: I guess as chief designer your hands were completely tied then, absolutely no way you could have changed a card that was still in development, especially such a crucial one as build script.
Perhaps I can interest you in my meager selection of pins?
it is also a fully legitimate complaint that deuces wild was designed with PPVP in mind, and with it on the MWL it almost never is worthwhile
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That's on Damon, really. There's nothing about Dan's position in the community that should make him unable to criticize card releases. It's on the designers to not engage.
I agree, Damon hasn't really helped here. I do wish Dan wouldn't bait him, but you are right Dan is allowed.
By itself, it's an over-costed Wall of Static. With another piece of ice on the server, it becomes equivalent to a Bastion. When you get to a third piece of ice, it becomes a discounted Fire Wall. Which is not terrible! And it does get better from there, but there are very few times when I've stacked more than 3 ice on a server (sometimes, but it's admittedly a bit rare).
Now, in this Parasite-Sifr meta, none of this matters really, except that even if they don't destroy Seidr directly, they weaken it by destroying other ice in the same server. It is cool that Seidr gets strength from installed and not rezzed ice, but it's still a difficult choice to play. In this non-glacier meta, I don't see it taking up too many spots in decks. They probably could have costed it at 3, and let it be a in-faction Wall of Static ++, and I'm still not sure it sees that much play.
There are some weird glaciers where I end up going to 4 or 5 ice but I have trouble seeing Seidr in them (for example the new HB bioroid ice ID whose name I'm forgetting likes to stack ice 4 deep but would never use that because it isn't a bioroid).
Ironically, the new ID is Seidr Laboratories. So it might still go in it!
or the snare, or field, again.
glacier, asset spam, traps. like, the only Jintkei gameplan it's not good in is prison.
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EDIT: Oh, apparently the video was actually recorded a while back, and so some of the cards are out of date. The crim console also apparently gives link?
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Gee, one of those cards looks familiar, huh? Awfully close to a certain Build Script that we saw the other day. I guess elsewhere it's been called into question how corp-flavored this new runner card is. Alongside how ridiculous it would be to have BOTH these neutral cards in the runner pool, it looks pretty likely that they screwed up and printed a corp card as runner. Either that or someone really threw the theme on this one out the window and decided both these 1-influence neutral cards were worth having side by side. <_<
Perhaps I can interest you in my meager selection of pins?
Honestly, I think I'm pretty okay with it. Seeing as how TD is supposed to be played as a Core + TD card pool, a lot of the other options for decks just aren't legal. And while they *could* just reprint something else in TD, that would mean that other card would also be exempt from rotation.
It *is* kind of dumb that either of those weren't faction'd, though. I mean, slap a Adam or Apex logo on Build Script if you want it to cost a influence for most everyone and you'd be helping out people who want to play them a TON.
In regards to Process Automation, the closest I can come to figuring out what's going on flavor-wise is that I think the runner hacked a local automated factory and is using the resources from it for their own purposes.
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Hopefully this means the rest will be getting announced soon.
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Otherwise, on the exact same grounds about having both cards available ... well, yeah, that's even more why it makes sense as a corp card. <_<
Perhaps I can interest you in my meager selection of pins?
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Not really. Most of us are on Jinteki.net from time to time, usually the same or similar usernames to here. If you're interested, propose a time and one of us will probably be able to play you online!
I know I have randomly played other PA'ers on Jinteki on occasion.
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yeeeeep been seeing a lot of it lately and I expect to see even more soon
also as for Station One the big thing to know is that you can MCA Informant a Corporate Troubleshooter, even if it's unrezzed (in which case you must reveal it). Runner can't use the click ability to trash it, they have to go access and trash it.
I Ann interested in these scoops
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Event (28)
3x Apocalypse ●●●●● ●●●●
3x Blackmail
2x Déjà Vu
3x Dirty Laundry
2x Hacktivist Meeting
3x I've Had Worse
3x Inject
2x Making an Entrance
1x Peace in Our Time ●
1x Rebirth ●
3x Sure Gamble
2x Vamp
Hardware (1)
1x Chop Bot 3000
Resource (13)
2x Daily Casts
2x DDoS
2x Joshua B.
3x Liberated Account
2x Same Old Thing
2x Temüjin Contract ●●●●
Icebreaker (6)
1x Black Orchestra
3x Eater
1x MKUltra
1x Paperclip
Program (2)
2x Keyhole
15 influence spent (max 15, available 0)
50 cards (min 50)
Cards up to Quorum
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I love Apocalypse so this deck looks to be my jam.
Yeah, Tem on archives and empty all but one.
Your lines of play are Blackmail HQ and R&D, to set up the apocalypse. This isn't a 2 out of 50 card combo, as you can use Josh B plus recursion on a single Blackmail. You can also support with DDOS.
You also have Eater plus Vamp to set up your Apocalypse turn.
Shaper click tracker (think like the NBN one from the previous one, but with four external bits), Data Ravens, and... Nero? Wut.
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