Yeah 3rd gen i5 is still fairly decent. Each new generation maybe added 2-5% more power to the overall system, so you'd maybe be looking at a 10-15% upgrade by going for the newest i5s.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
There are some games that can stress a 3rd gen i5, but it's a pretty exclusive list. GTA5 is notorious for running like trash on older CPU's, as an example. Heavy physics games (like iRacing which I do a ton of) are also very CPU intensive. If you don't fall in to that niche category than a 3rd gen i5 is still perfectly fine.
To add some discussion, what I had originally thought was coil whine on my old GTX 780 was still around when I swapped in the 1080, but was much less; and less frequent. My guess is the coil whine actually resides in the PSU, and since the 1080 isn't working as hard on the same titles as the 780, there's less whine.
I still hear it occasionally when I play WoW, but it's surprisingly absent when I play Witcher 3 with all the candy.
You ever build a PC? You'd practically be doing that.
I think I'd be ok with that. As the components like the cpu etc are already mounted on the motherboard it's just screwing it in place in to the new case.
I've got a Gtx 1070 which with the side fans in my current case doesn't fit. Didn't measure it properly ha.
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Do I need to upgrade my CPU? It's crazy that I even need to ask that question but from what I gather by searching around my current setup is still acceptable for the most part and I'm hoping if I dropped the mighty dollar on a moderate GPU upgrade that I'll be ok for another 1-2 years or so. At the release of the 10xx cards I was jonesing for a 1070/1080 but realize it's probably overkill for me and realistically out of budget.
I'm tossing between the RX480/580 and the 1060 in 8GB and 6GB variations respectively. Gaming at 1080p 60hz for the foreseeable future, no competitive online stuff is going down.
i5 3570k @ 4.2
16GB DDR3-2133
GTX 770 2gb
At this point I suggest you wait until the Vega cards come out - it will put downward price pressure on cards currently out.
You ever build a PC? You'd practically be doing that.
I think I'd be ok with that. As the components like the cpu etc are already mounted on the motherboard it's just screwing it in place in to the new case.
I've got a Gtx 1070 which with the side fans in my current case doesn't fit. Didn't measure it properly ha.
Yeah, you can leave the CPU and RAM in. Take the current video card out first, though. Kind of obvious, but just covering the bases.
Speaking of: Don't forget to plug in the CPU power in the new case.
You ever build a PC? You'd practically be doing that.
I think I'd be ok with that. As the components like the cpu etc are already mounted on the motherboard it's just screwing it in place in to the new case.
I've got a Gtx 1070 which with the side fans in my current case doesn't fit. Didn't measure it properly ha.
Yeah, you can leave the CPU and RAM in. Take the current video card out first, though. Kind of obvious, but just covering the bases.
Speaking of: Don't forget to plug in the CPU power in the new case.
Thanks, I appreciate this!
I've been looking at "barebones" systems that have everything other than graphics card and storage which I can take from current pc.
Though cost is a factor so it's probably easiest to get a new case so I can use my new graphics card and then upgrade the other components once I've got more money.
Barring a catastrophic event, a SSD should last longer than the build of the PC (at least five years, some reports suggest up to ten or more). Don't use a defragger since fragmentation isn't an issue and it will last plenty long enough.
There are some games that can stress a 3rd gen i5, but it's a pretty exclusive list. GTA5 is notorious for running like trash on older CPU's, as an example. Heavy physics games (like iRacing which I do a ton of) are also very CPU intensive. If you don't fall in to that niche category than a 3rd gen i5 is still perfectly fine.
The solution is of course to buy a 1070 for graphics, and put the 770 in another slot as a PhysX card - let that take some of the load off the CPU.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
Unless you plan to run a PC for a hugely long time, an SSDs life will never be a relevant statistic you need to care about. The PC will be essentially obsolete before an SSD dies.
Yeah. It depends on how you play your games but I have a 256GB SSD and a 3TB HD and I'm wishing I had more SSD space. FFXIII alone is like 62GBs (though that's my biggest one). But with your OS and your bigger games, you're only going to get about 5 games installed on there. I use SteamMover when I want to start a real playthrough of a game for anything that tends to have long loadscreens. So FFXIII, Sleeping Dogs, Dark Souls 2, Skyrim, etc. get moved to the SSD when I am planning to play them regularly.
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MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
The idea is to (within reason) have an awesome PC that will last can run games at 1080p with 60+fps on Ultra for as long as possible. I'm talking a time span of 3-4 years before I have to start nudging down settings.
What do we think?
How much of a wanker am I being and can I tone this down a bit and still get the results I want. This will be my last big purchase before the house/marriage/kids triple threat murder my finances.
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I've been scootin' on by with my 256gb SSD and 750gb HDD.
So far, been all I need.
I don't save any porn anymore, so that's probably helping.
Do I need to upgrade my CPU? It's crazy that I even need to ask that question but from what I gather by searching around my current setup is still acceptable for the most part and I'm hoping if I dropped the mighty dollar on a moderate GPU upgrade that I'll be ok for another 1-2 years or so. At the release of the 10xx cards I was jonesing for a 1070/1080 but realize it's probably overkill for me and realistically out of budget.
I'm tossing between the RX480/580 and the 1060 in 8GB and 6GB variations respectively. Gaming at 1080p 60hz for the foreseeable future, no competitive online stuff is going down.
i5 3570k @ 4.2
16GB DDR3-2133
GTX 770 2gb
At this point I suggest you wait until the Vega cards come out - it will put downward price pressure on cards currently out.
This is something that's crossed my mind, and likely what will happen anyways as I stockpile spending money for my minor upgrade. Hopefully I can resist the temptation of typing my credit card number with a 1070 or Vega class card in my shopping cart when the time comes...
If I could spring for the bigger card and use my 770 as a physx I'd consider it, but it looks like the mid-tier cards will handle my 1080p gaming for a while and that's all I need to be happy. That being said a friend with an identical PC made the switch to a 1070 and has been talking about stepping up to a 1080.... so maybe I could get one on the cheap...
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GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
Just quit beating around the bush, order a 1080 Ti, be happy.
Currently trying to avoid buying one of those myself.
I say I'm waiting for the price on a FTW3 to come down a bit, but maybe by then we'll have news about the Volta cards and I can talk myself into keeping my 1070.
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The first iteration will be shipping with compute boxes intended to be used in neural networks for advanced AI research. It's possible the consumer grade Volta stuff will ship with dedicated tensor cores designed to handle truly next generation generation game AI. I'm seeing this offer a massive boost to AI heavy games like Total War, Civ and city builders. Really, it could translate into more advanced AI in basically any game.
In fact, this thread helped me build my current gaming rig in 2009, which I still use and has served me well.
Recently I've been looking into buying a Oculus Rift when I realized my PC is pretty dang old and doesn't appear to meet the minimum requirements. I'd kind of forgotten how old it was given that, by upgrading my video card every once in a while, it still runs new games excellently.
Here's what I got:
Motherboard: ASUS P6T X58 Deluxe ATX LGA1366 DDR3 LGA1366 3PCI-E16 PCI-E4 CrossFire SLI SATA2 SAS Motherboard
At the very least I think I need to replace this, as it's only got USB2.0, and I believe VR needs 3.0. Alternatively I suppose I could buy a PCI USB3 card?
CPU: i7 920 Quad Core Processor LGA1366 2.66GHZ - This could be a big problem. It's served me well up until now though.
RAM: Aeneon Xtune AXH860UD20-16H-K-6G 6GB 3X2GB DDR3-1600 PC3-12800 CL9-9-9 240PIN Triple Channel Kit
Only 6GB, I've read you need at least 8? Also it's DDR3, so if I upgrade the Motherboard I may need to replace the whole thing
GPU: GTX 1060. 6GB onboard memory. I think I'm ok here.
Powersupply: Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX - I suspect this is still alright and doesn't need to be upgraded?
In fact, this thread helped me build my current gaming rig in 2009, which I still use and has served me well.
Recently I've been looking into buying a Oculus Rift when I realized my PC is pretty dang old and doesn't appear to meet the minimum requirements. I'd kind of forgotten how old it was given that, by upgrading my video card every once in a while, it still runs new games excellently.
Here's what I got:
Motherboard: ASUS P6T X58 Deluxe ATX LGA1366 DDR3 LGA1366 3PCI-E16 PCI-E4 CrossFire SLI SATA2 SAS Motherboard
At the very least I think I need to replace this, as it's only got USB2.0, and I believe VR needs 3.0. Alternatively I suppose I could buy a PCI USB3 card?
CPU: i7 920 Quad Core Processor LGA1366 2.66GHZ - This could be a big problem. It's served me well up until now though.
RAM: Aeneon Xtune AXH860UD20-16H-K-6G 6GB 3X2GB DDR3-1600 PC3-12800 CL9-9-9 240PIN Triple Channel Kit
Only 6GB, I've read you need at least 8? Also it's DDR3, so if I upgrade the Motherboard I may need to replace the whole thing
GPU: GTX 1060. 6GB onboard memory. I think I'm ok here.
Powersupply: Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX - I suspect this is still alright and doesn't need to be upgraded?
Save me from making poor decisions, build thread!
I think you're going to need to upgrade the mobo, CPU and RAM. Seems like if you need to upgrade one of those, you end up upgrading all three. It's all going to come down to budget, I think. Going to want to go for at least 16GBs of DDR4 RAM.
i5-7600
H270 motherboard
8 or 16GB of RAM depending on budget.
Nice to have:
i7-7700k
Z270 motherboard
16GB RAM
If you do heavily multithreaded things (i.e. you do a lot of video encoding, rendering, etc, also worth looking at the AMD Ryzen stuff. Ryzen sacrifices about 10-15% gaming performance but is a way better general purpose processor.
Vive is like $1200, the Rift (just the headset) is $650ish.
I wanted to get one specifically for Elite Dangerous (edit: to clarify, I use a joystick for Elite, so don't need the motion controllers as yet), and then maybe pick up the rift controllers at a later date (which are only $139 or so). So basically price...
Vive is like $1200, the Rift (just the headset) is $650ish.
I wanted to get one specifically for Elite Dangerous (edit: to clarify, I use a joystick for Elite, so don't need the motion controllers as yet), and then maybe pick up the rift controllers at a later date (which are only $139 or so). So basically price...
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CPU is fine. Older, yes. But still fine for gaming.
https://slickdeals.net/f/10138388-acronis-true-image-2017-3-devices-mcafee-internet-security-2017-10-device-free-after-rebate-newegg
To add some discussion, what I had originally thought was coil whine on my old GTX 780 was still around when I swapped in the 1080, but was much less; and less frequent. My guess is the coil whine actually resides in the PSU, and since the 1080 isn't working as hard on the same titles as the 780, there's less whine.
I still hear it occasionally when I play WoW, but it's surprisingly absent when I play Witcher 3 with all the candy.
your question is phrased in a way that suggests you didn't build it in the first place. If so, what kind of case is it?
I think I'd be ok with that. As the components like the cpu etc are already mounted on the motherboard it's just screwing it in place in to the new case.
I've got a Gtx 1070 which with the side fans in my current case doesn't fit. Didn't measure it properly ha.
At this point I suggest you wait until the Vega cards come out - it will put downward price pressure on cards currently out.
Yeah, you can leave the CPU and RAM in. Take the current video card out first, though. Kind of obvious, but just covering the bases.
Speaking of: Don't forget to plug in the CPU power in the new case.
Thanks, I appreciate this!
I've been looking at "barebones" systems that have everything other than graphics card and storage which I can take from current pc.
Though cost is a factor so it's probably easiest to get a new case so I can use my new graphics card and then upgrade the other components once I've got more money.
what would be a better hardrive combo
1 x 1TB normal platter drive
1 x 500GB Samsung 850 EVO
OR
2 x 1TB normal platter drive
1 x 256GB SAMSUNG SM961 M.2
in my mind the split would be:
SSD:
OS
Steam
Uplay
Origin
Any games I'm playing
Normal hard drive
other programes (Itunes etc)
What's the shelf life of a 256GB SSD. I know they have a finite amount of rewrites on them?
The solution is of course to buy a 1070 for graphics, and put the 770 in another slot as a PhysX card - let that take some of the load off the CPU.
I seem to remember you asking nearly this exact question about 6 months ago, and we gave you similar answers. Is this the same build, or another one?
@SharpyVII can you not just remove the side fans? Or are you using this as an excuse to get a new/better case?
Y'know what, I think I did sorry my bad. It's a similar build, just the I5 swapped out for an I7 and a 1060 swapped out for a 1070.
let me dig back through the thread
I find a 256 SSD perfectly fine for my purposes, it easily holds my OS and 3-4 games, but if you want 5+ modern games installed you'll need the 500.
SteamID: edgruberman GOG Galaxy: EdGruberman
1TB is my next SSD purchase.
for hopefully the last time, here's the spec of the PC i'm thinking of
CORSAIR CARBIDE SERIES™ 200R COMPACT GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-7700k (4.2GHz) 8MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME Z270-P: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1070 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st Hard Disk
500GB Samsung 850 EVO 2.5" SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 540MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
1TB SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 32MB CACHE
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W CS SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster Hyper 212X (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS 802.11 AC1200 867Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
The idea is to (within reason) have an awesome PC that will last can run games at 1080p with 60+fps on Ultra for as long as possible. I'm talking a time span of 3-4 years before I have to start nudging down settings.
What do we think?
How much of a wanker am I being and can I tone this down a bit and still get the results I want. This will be my last big purchase before the house/marriage/kids triple threat murder my finances.
So far, been all I need.
I don't save any porn anymore, so that's probably helping.
This is something that's crossed my mind, and likely what will happen anyways as I stockpile spending money for my minor upgrade. Hopefully I can resist the temptation of typing my credit card number with a 1070 or Vega class card in my shopping cart when the time comes...
If I could spring for the bigger card and use my 770 as a physx I'd consider it, but it looks like the mid-tier cards will handle my 1080p gaming for a while and that's all I need to be happy. That being said a friend with an identical PC made the switch to a 1070 and has been talking about stepping up to a 1080.... so maybe I could get one on the cheap...
Y-Y-Yesss master, right away master...
(These types of influences are why I'm broke all the time)
I say I'm waiting for the price on a FTW3 to come down a bit, but maybe by then we'll have news about the Volta cards and I can talk myself into keeping my 1070.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/nvidia-tesla-v100-gpu-details/
The first iteration will be shipping with compute boxes intended to be used in neural networks for advanced AI research. It's possible the consumer grade Volta stuff will ship with dedicated tensor cores designed to handle truly next generation generation game AI. I'm seeing this offer a massive boost to AI heavy games like Total War, Civ and city builders. Really, it could translate into more advanced AI in basically any game.
In fact, this thread helped me build my current gaming rig in 2009, which I still use and has served me well.
Recently I've been looking into buying a Oculus Rift when I realized my PC is pretty dang old and doesn't appear to meet the minimum requirements. I'd kind of forgotten how old it was given that, by upgrading my video card every once in a while, it still runs new games excellently.
Here's what I got:
Motherboard: ASUS P6T X58 Deluxe ATX LGA1366 DDR3 LGA1366 3PCI-E16 PCI-E4 CrossFire SLI SATA2 SAS Motherboard
At the very least I think I need to replace this, as it's only got USB2.0, and I believe VR needs 3.0. Alternatively I suppose I could buy a PCI USB3 card?
CPU: i7 920 Quad Core Processor LGA1366 2.66GHZ - This could be a big problem. It's served me well up until now though.
RAM: Aeneon Xtune AXH860UD20-16H-K-6G 6GB 3X2GB DDR3-1600 PC3-12800 CL9-9-9 240PIN Triple Channel Kit
Only 6GB, I've read you need at least 8? Also it's DDR3, so if I upgrade the Motherboard I may need to replace the whole thing
GPU: GTX 1060. 6GB onboard memory. I think I'm ok here.
Powersupply: Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX - I suspect this is still alright and doesn't need to be upgraded?
Save me from making poor decisions, build thread!
I think you're going to need to upgrade the mobo, CPU and RAM. Seems like if you need to upgrade one of those, you end up upgrading all three. It's all going to come down to budget, I think. Going to want to go for at least 16GBs of DDR4 RAM.
SteamID: edgruberman GOG Galaxy: EdGruberman
i5-7600
H270 motherboard
8 or 16GB of RAM depending on budget.
Nice to have:
i7-7700k
Z270 motherboard
16GB RAM
If you do heavily multithreaded things (i.e. you do a lot of video encoding, rendering, etc, also worth looking at the AMD Ryzen stuff. Ryzen sacrifices about 10-15% gaming performance but is a way better general purpose processor.
So about $600 total
I may need to think about it.
SteamID: edgruberman GOG Galaxy: EdGruberman
I wanted to get one specifically for Elite Dangerous (edit: to clarify, I use a joystick for Elite, so don't need the motion controllers as yet), and then maybe pick up the rift controllers at a later date (which are only $139 or so). So basically price...
You're off by 50% on your vive price.
It's $800.