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[Star Wars] The Last Porg (TAG ALL SPOILERS)
Harry Dresden
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This thread contains spoilers from The Force Awakens and Rogue One.
Rules as follows:
Tag spoilers for movies that aren't out yet. (Han Solo movie, The Last Jedi)
No need to tag movies that have already been released.
Star Wars is upon us once more. In a movie directed by Rian "Looper" Johnson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ
Picking up where The Force Awakens left off, we have:
Daisy Ridley as Rey
John Boyega as Finn
Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker
Lupita Nyong'o as Maz Kanata
Domhnall Gleeson as General Hux
Oscar Isaac as Poe Dameron
Adam Driver as Kylo Ren
Discuss all Star Wars related topics here, but don't let Han shoot you first.
Rules as follows:
Tag spoilers for movies that aren't out yet. (Han Solo movie, The Last Jedi)
No need to tag movies that have already been released.
Star Wars is upon us once more. In a movie directed by Rian "Looper" Johnson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQPicking up where The Force Awakens left off, we have:
Daisy Ridley as Rey
John Boyega as Finn
Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker
Lupita Nyong'o as Maz Kanata
Domhnall Gleeson as General Hux
Oscar Isaac as Poe Dameron
Adam Driver as Kylo Ren
Discuss all Star Wars related topics here, but don't let Han shoot you first.
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I mean, the dark side is the easy side. It's the side of impulse and indulgence. People struggle to avoid falling to the dark side because the thoughts and actions that lead there come naturally.
Fearing you might fall to the light side is like worrying you might accidentally become a monk. That's not how that works.
I wonder if Anakin ever floated around in his bacta tank wondering if he was evil enough.
The idea of the light side tempting him... isn't supposed to be how the Force really works, but rather how Kylo rationalizes his true feelings/nature to himself. He's not actually a bad person, and doesn't like what he's doing, but he's somehow been manipulated into thinking that the dark side is his true calling. It's a way of externalizing something he sees as a weakness in himself. Kind of like how some homophobic gay people try to suggest that things they were exposed to "made them gay".
At least, that was my take-away.
Yes. He's desperately trying to be Darth Vader, his imagined ideal of the cool badass dark side boss, but he can't stop the feelings within himself saying what he's doing is wrong. He feels weak and he attributes that weakness to the fact that he still has a conscience. He wants to be strong and that means being evil and not caring and so he desperately tries to do that.
Yeah, did not expect to like him as much as I did.
Anakin, no. Darth Vader, yes. He knows his powers are fueled by that, plus he hates himself and has nothing to live for.
He's basically the Rusty Venture of Star Wars; no wonder he turned to the dark side
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Because he's still a rookie. Despite all that he was the biggest threat to everyone in the movie.
That said, Finn is a rookie janitor who took on the grandson of Darth Vader the second time he had ever touched a lightsaber and didn't die, so I'm going to put that in W column.
For both TFA (not sure this still needs to be discussed in spoilers) and The Last Jedi.
Their general performance largely reflects this, the surprise comes when somehow the Imperial National Guard somehow manages to hallow out a whole planet into a fairly devastating superweapon that, before its inevitable destruction, they use said weapon to immediately to destroy a bunch of planets--enough to arguably count as a 'W'. For all that half...assed...ness, they try and be practical.
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I'm guessing "Win". For certain values of win.
Sorry--"A notch in the win column."
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Being tempted by the Light Side basically means he has second thoughts about what he's doing. He wonders if his parents aren't in the right. He doubts the power of the Dark Side. Basically he has a functioning conscience that he's actively ignoring, unlike other Dark Siders who believe they are in the right the whole time.
Edit: Hollywood Reporter with the story.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-han-solo-movie-firing-new-details-behind-phil-lord-chris-miller-exit-1016619
Sounds like Lucasfilm wanted to do it like Rogue One...
I went and watched Apollo 13 this weekend and it got me really excited for Han Solo. Ron Howard knows how to do space.
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Holy crap, I have zero hope for this movie now.
IDK man. Ron Howard directing give me faith. Apollo 13 was a fucking amazeballs movie.
Now, I was very very pleased with how Rogue One turned out. Very. Will I be as pleased with this one? I remain very skeptical.
I'll still fuckin' pay to go see it though. The bastards.
Harry, still haven't gotten a clear answer here. Sounds like this thread is open spoilers but I want to make sure to clarify that.
Ron Howard isn't directing this. Ron Howard is coming in to try and salvage this thing with some reshoots. Assuming the rumours that he's a beard for one of the writers/producers doing that instead aren't true. Either way that's a very different situation then "Ron Howard makes a Star Wars movie".
From what I can tell, they're basically throwing out all the footage that was shot and starting over again from scratch. I'm expecting a lot of that Ron Howard polish. Pietro Scalia, the guy they brought in the edit the thing has won 2 Oscars. I'm cautiously optimistic. We've got an entire year before release. I'm sure the majority of the CGI work is finished. You spend a few months shooting, a few months editing and you still have a few months for reshoots and tweaks before it has to go to print.
That would be the only way I could see this not being a clusterfruitcake.
I agree. If they start trying to reuse existing footage it'll be an absolute mess. Worse than the hack job they did on SS.
Fair, but the Russo's didn't try to make it a comedy. Winter Solider is still the most steadfastly serious movie in the MCU, and it'll probably stay that way for awhile.
Usually, I'm all aboard for the "creative freedom, down the executives" train, but things are different when you're playing in an established franchise. You've got to strike a careful balance between keeping in line with fan expectations and going off and doing your own thing. That's part of why Rogue One worked so well, I think, as it managed to feel like Star Wars while doing things we didn't expect. Maybe they were going to do the same thing Han Solo, maybe not- but all the reports seem to suggest they were more concerned with making their movie than making a Star Wars movie. I just think that's the wrong tack to take when you're been invited to play in someone else's playground.
Nobody wants a film version of Karen Traviss' approach to doing Star Wars.
It'll be open spoilers, I'll clarify that in the title.
Lucas himself got there years before Disney touched Star Wars, and I'm not worried. Worst case scenario this'll be a misfire (this was bound to happen eventually), they have a great track record so far and managed not only to repair the damage from the prequels gave the franchise but made them reach new heights creatively and financially which has been lacking in the films for decades. It's a film 'verse which equals the Clone Wars TAS cartoons, rather than anchors it.
@So It Goes Any advice where I should go with this? Making a Star Wars thread is more complicated than I thought.
How many establishing scenes did we have demonstrating how powerful a bowcaster shot was vs your average stormtroooper? Then Kylo takes a shot to the hip, and survives, and still goes off to fight. Not to mention the fact that despite Snoke telling Kylo that killing Han would make him stronger, it actually mentally fucked him up, and he felt 'weaker' as said in the novelization.
I always felt that the 'Pull to the Light' is your conscience, countered by your resolve. Vader, for instance, had an iron clad resolve in his purpose - that's why he is so effective during the purge and r1, etc. That resolve doesn't crack until Empire Strikes Back when Luke chooses to fall to his probable death rather than join him. That 'broke' Vader, and he is significantly weaker in RotJ because of it.
I think the same thing with where Kylo is right now. He doesn't have an Iron Clad resolve, and when he has time to reflect on himself his conscience starts nagging at him.
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I think we've pretty much all seen the most recent movies. IMO we should mark spoilers for the movies that havn't come out yet but no need to mark them for a year old movie.
I actually still haven't seen Rogue One yet (I want to watch it the first time with my sister who's a film buff & big Star Wars fan, but our schedules haven't lined up for it), but yeah I think anything approaching a year old is probably fair game.